AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[tsunami]

Source please ? Source please ? Source please ?

Got the news from AMCA facebook page... almost all the time their info is correct.

 

[porky_kicker]

Tonbo imaging Ek is a compact, lightweight uncooled Smart Thermal Weapons Sight (STWS) designed and optimized for assault rifles and snipers. It can also be used as a standalone hand held thermal imager.

It features an inbuilt wireless video interface enabling real time video output to head mounted or hand held display equipped with advanced Android OS.

it has been supplied to Indian armed forces

 

[porky_kicker]

check this out... it has been exported to Europe

Tonbo imaging Foxhound HHTI is a compact light weight thermal imaging monocular that is built on the state of the art HawkVision thermal core providing outstanding sensitivity and excellent image quality.

Advanced thermal image processing provides crisp, high resolution, clear bright thermal images at high frame rates. An ASi based 640×480 micro bolometer array on a 17µm pitch offers unprecedented thermal imagery for tactical surveillance operations. The external I/O port is compatible for real time streaming of thermal video over secure broadband signaling to extended distances.

Foxhound places military, para-military and law enforcement professionals at the forefront of technology. Enabling target discrimination and recognition regardless of weather conditions and with no necessary light.

 

[porky_kicker]

Tonbo imaging ELPEOS is a multi sensor electro-optical payload designed for easy integration into remotely controlled weapon stations and long range surveillance and reconnaissance. It features a high resolution cooled MWIR imager, a color CCD camera, and a Laser Range Finder. It optionally includes GPS and a Digital Magnetic Compass with inclinometer for geo referencing.

IR and Day imagers are with continuous optical zoom optics and are optically, mechanically and digitally aligned to high precision for demanding applications. The sensors also have preset matched FOVs through out the zoom range increasing situational awareness.

It also features inbuilt electronic video stabilization and video tracking capability. It optionally can incorporate Tonbo’s state of the art FUSION technology that intelligently fuses the videos from IR and Day cameras in real time, combining critical spectral information from IR with the Visible day camera further enhancing the situational awareness.

used in arjun RCWS

plus checkout the cool video bore sight tool for it

Boroscope is an electro optical digital weapon boresight tool for precise alignment of the weapon and its sighting payload.

It features a self centering stem and a high resolution camera head for high precision. It allows a single user to check boresight in seconds before a critical mission. The calibration can be performed by a single user at short / medium or long range as per field requirements.

It is easy to use and its camera based design is precise, reliable and allows a single user to do the full alignment process even at a very short range to the target.

It can be used with a smart display over wired or wireless media. It can be battery or AC powered for the ease of use.

 

[TPFscopes]

Got the news from AMCA facebook page... almost all the time their info is correct.

There is no official page for AMCA. I thing you fetch one of the fan page of AMCA...

 

[tsunami]

There is no official page for AMCA. I thing you fetch one of the fan page of AMCA...

Yes but the admins there are good... they always have news before it breaks out here.

 

[TPFscopes]

Yes but the admins there are good... they always have news before it breaks out here.

for the post about 8-10bn USD for AMCA development is pretty much overhyped and over-speculated. I personally cross checked for the same.

 

[IndianHawk]

for the post about 8-10bn USD for AMCA development is pretty much overhyped and over-speculated. I personally cross checked for the same.

Yup 8-10 billion dollars seem too much .
Russia wants us to pay 3billion $ for FGFA and Russia will put 3billion so total 6 billion.

For in house development and production of Amca it shouldn't cost anything more than 5billion $$. Unless we are going for USA level of technology.:biggrin2:

But then it could be 3-4 billion $ for amca program plus 2 billion $ for jet engine program revival of kaveri., New ge engine for Amca .

 

[Vijyes]

Yup 8-10 billion dollars seem too much .
Russia wants us to pay 3billion $ for FGFA and Russia will put 3billion so total 6 billion.

For in house development and production of Amca it shouldn't cost anything more than 5billion $$. Unless we are going for USA level of technology.:biggrin2:

But then it could be 3-4 billion $ for amca program plus 2 billion $ for jet engine program revival of kaveri., New ge engine for Amca .

USA level technology is what makes it 5th generation. USA is not godly country. It is just a propaganda. USA doesn't have superhumans. If USA can do, so can we.

 

[airtel]

for the post about 8-10bn USD for AMCA development is pretty much overhyped and over-speculated. I personally cross checked for the same.

Yup 8-10 billion dollars seem too much .
Russia wants us to pay 3billion $ for FGFA and Russia will put 3billion so total 6 billion.

For in house development and production of Amca it shouldn't cost anything more than 5billion $$. Unless we are going for USA level of technology.:biggrin2:

But then it could be 3-4 billion $ for amca program plus 2 billion $ for jet engine program revival of kaveri., New ge engine for Amca .

if they can spend 9 billion $ on 36 Rafales then why not on AMCA ?? they should go For USA level technology .

 

[IndianHawk]

if they can spend 9 billion $ on 36 Rafales then why not on AMCA ?? they should go For USA level technology .

We are talking about development funds. Procurement funds will be released after final order for procurement is given .

That is what we are paying for Rafale. Amca when available for induction won't cost less then 100million per plane in 2030 ( hopefully inflation will be included in this figure.)

If Russia is betting 6bilion development cost for FGFA , we must be able to make do Within 5billion $ fund for a medium category indegenious fighter.

USA level technology is what makes it 5th generation. USA is not godly country. It is just a propaganda. USA doesn't have superhumans. If USA can do, so can we.

Bhai you are taking things out of context again.
USA doesn't have superhuman but it has super money + super facilities + super experience. We'll need 2-3 decades to match all that.

 

[airtel]

We are talking about development funds. Procurement funds will be released after final order for procurement is given .

That is what we are paying for Rafale. Amca when available for induction won't cost less then 100million per plane in 2030 ( hopefully inflation will be included in this figure.)

If Russia is betting 6bilion development cost for FGFA , we must be able to make do Within 5billion $ fund for a medium category indegenious fighter.

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when we will develop Amca we will Have to develop GaN based AESA radars , EW systems and EOTS , IRST , Engines etc . all these things will be used in other weapon systems too .................so development cost will be Higher .

6 Billion $ is development cost of Indian version FGFA which is modified Pak-fa but what was the cost of developing pak-fa ?? it's weapons , radars , avionics and other sensors ?? i must be much more than 6 billion .

 

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I got a news that defence ministry have released full development funding of 8-10 billion $ for AMCA development with 2023 as target for first flight.

they release it in $.....?.......

 

[Vijyes]

We are talking about development funds. Procurement funds will be released after final order for procurement is given .

That is what we are paying for Rafale. Amca when available for induction won't cost less then 100million per plane in 2030 ( hopefully inflation will be included in this figure.)

If Russia is betting 6bilion development cost for FGFA , we must be able to make do Within 5billion $ fund for a medium category indegenious fighter.

Bhai you are taking things out of context again.
USA doesn't have superhuman but it has super money + super facilities + super experience. We'll need 2-3 decades to match all that.

USA gained experience just like India can. Yes, AMCA will take 10 years to fructify. 2030 is the mass production date. 2027 is FOC date expected. USA also took same time to do.

Also, items like AESA, IRST also have to be made along with AMCA in addition to K10 engine (upgraded kaveri).

 

[IndianHawk]

when we will develop Amca we will Have to develop GaN based AESA radars , EW systems and EOTS , IRST , Engines etc . all these things will be used in other weapon systems too .................so development cost will be Higher .

6 Billion $ is development cost of Indian version FGFA which is modified Pak-fa but what was the cost of developing pak-fa ?? it's weapons , radars , avionics and other sensors ?? i must be much more than 6 billion .

For PAKFA we don't have figures wiki says 10 billion $ total program cost(estimate)
Which seems quite low.

F22 raptor had a total program cost of 64 billion out of which 26 billion was development cost.

So honestly we are Blind as to what budget Amca will take . If we go American way that is everything updated , 5star facilities and not cut corners anywhere than it might go upwards 10 billion.

More likely scenario we put 5billion on table till 2030 to get what we can , then we put 5-6 billion more on table to get Mark2 by 2040.

 

[Vijyes]

For PAKFA we don't have figures wiki says 10 billion $ total program cost(estimate)
Which seems quite low.

F22 raptor had a total program cost of 64 billion out of which 26 billion was development cost.

So honestly we are Blind as to what budget Amca will take . If we go American way that is everything updated , 5star facilities and not cut corners anywhere than it might go upwards 10 billion.

More likely scenario we put 5billion on table till 2030 to get what we can , then we put 5-6 billion more on table to get Mark2 by 2040.

USA heavily overspends on defence. Just read articles on the internet on how ISA overspends by paying too much for small items, salary, relaxing timelines and costs deadlines to private business etc.

USA spends unnecessary money while India doesn't. Also, India has the advantage of copying what others have done by buying the plane first and then disassemble it. Though it doesn't give critical technology, it does give all the non critical technology as well as certain details like aerodynamic design, novel placement of items etc

 

[Prashant12]

IAF not in favour of acquiring Russian 5th gen jets, keen on DRDO Make in India project instead
The maintenance cost of the Russian planes is expected to be very high and similar to that of the Sukhoi-30 planes whose maintenance has been quite demanding.


It seems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is not in favour of acquiring the 127 fifth-generation fighter aircraft from Russia due to the "very high cost" involved in the project. It in turn wants to back a DRDO Make in India project - which it is planning to develop a similar plane called Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

It is learnt that IAF's views on the aircraft programme have been conveyed to the defence ministry even as a government panel has expressed its views in favour of the programme.

"The Air Force has its reservations on the programme mainly on three points. First, the project cost is too high and way beyond what it had expected. The learning curve is not there as the project is already at an advanced stage and the stealth technology of the planes is not as advanced as that of the other similar planes," senior government sources told Mail Today.

MAINTENANCE COST VERY HIGH: IAF

The maintenance cost of the planes is also expected to be very high and similar to that of the Sukhoi-30 planes whose maintenance and upkeep has been quite demanding in their around 20 years in the force, they said.

The Russians were developing the aircraft known as PAKFA on their side as a counter to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightening, which are considered the latest combat planes with stealth technologies and abilities to strike farther than their older counterparts.

"The cost of the FGFA progarmme is coming to be huge. While we have already spent close to $300 million (Rs 2,000 crore) on the preliminary design phase, the Russians are demanding $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) as the development cost of the planes which is coming to be much higher than what we had perceived," the sources revealed.

AIR MARSHAL SAYS OTHERWISE

"The Russians are asking us to make big investments in the programme. While we are planning to induct only 12 of these planes in their IAF, they are asking India to buy 127 of these aircraft," added the sources.

Sources said the investment of $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) would give India only four prototypes of the FGFA aircraft and it will have to pay another $135 million (Rs 900 crore) each for the 127 planes, which would be ready for induction only after 2027-28.

The cost per aircraft at the time of delivery in 2027-28, due to high inflation in defence deals, would come around $250 million bringing the total project value to around $32 billion (Rs 2 lakh crore), sources also said.

Air Marshal S Varthman committee has recommended that the IAF should go ahead to coproduce the planes with Russia and the Defence ministry has to decide on it taking into account both the viewpoints.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ration-fighter-aircraft-russia/1/1039202.html

 

[SELVAM]

Ajit Kumar Dubey | New Delhi | Saturday, September 2, 2017
The maintenance cost of the Russian planes is expected to be very high and similar to that of the Sukhoi-30 planes whose maintenance has been quite demanding.
Air Marshal S Varthman panel has recommended that the IAF should go ahead to co-produce the planes with Russia
HIGHLIGHTS

IAF not in favour of acquiring 127 fifth-generation fighter aircraft from Russia.
The maintenance cost of the planes is also expected to be very high.
IAF wants to back a DRDO Make in India project.
It seems that the Indian Air Force (IAF) is not in favour of acquiring the 127 fifth-generation fighter aircraft from Russia due to the "very high cost" involved in the project. It in turn wants to back a DRDO Make in India project - which it is planning to develop a similar plane called Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

It is learnt that IAF's views on the aircraft programme have been conveyed to the defence ministry even as a government panel has expressed its views in favour of the programme.

"The Air Force has its reservations on the programme mainly on three points. First, the project cost is too high and way beyond what it had expected. The learning curve is not there as the project is already at an advanced stage and the stealth technology of the planes is not as advanced as that of the other similar planes," senior government sources told Mail Today.

MAINTENANCE COST VERY HIGH: IAF

The maintenance cost of the planes is also expected to be very high and similar to that of the Sukhoi-30 planes whose maintenance and upkeep has been quite demanding in their around 20 years in the force, they said.

The Russians were developing the aircraft known as PAKFA on their side as a counter to the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightening, which are considered the latest combat planes with stealth technologies and abilities to strike farther than their older counterparts.

"The cost of the FGFA progarmme is coming to be huge. While we have already spent close to $300 million (Rs 2,000 crore) on the preliminary design phase, the Russians are demanding $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) as the development cost of the planes which is coming to be much higher than what we had perceived," the sources revealed.

AIR MARSHAL SAYS OTHERWISE

"The Russians are asking us to make big investments in the programme. While we are planning to induct only 12 of these planes in their IAF, they are asking India to buy 127 of these aircraft," added the sources.
Sources said the investment of $6.7 billion (Rs 44,800 crore) would give India only four prototypes of the FGFA aircraft and it will have to pay another $135 million (Rs 900 crore) each for the 127 planes, which would be ready for induction only after 2027-28.


The cost per aircraft at the time of delivery in 2027-28, due to high inflation in defence deals, would come around $250 million bringing the total project value to around $32 billion (Rs 2 lakh crore), sources also said.

Air Marshal S Varthman committee has recommended that the IAF should go ahead to coproduce the planes with Russia and the Defence ministry has to decide on it taking into account both the viewpoints.

 

[SELVAM]

Hope indian governtment show middle finger to Russians. They r milking us long time with the help of corrupt individuals in armed forces and defence ministry.

 

[SELVAM]

During late 90s IAF was in favour of more Mirages. But ruskies bribed corrupt bastard mulayam singh and got sukhoi deal signed.

I see similar situation in respect to rafales.
While IAF is in favour of rafales politicians r trying to acquire some other jets