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shekhar gupta did a walk the talk with HAL & ADA guys if i'm not wrong they said the delay in teajs will not happen with AMCA since they worked on cutting edge technologies and created a platform for AMCA i hope they keep there word and give India BOTH LCA and AMCA at right time
Hope so bruh, hope so! If they can pull this off, I am pretty sure that when it will come to air superiority, IAF will be the impetus of the most fearsome and assured destructive power capable of delivering several thousand of pounds of freedom!
 

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China’s Own “Catfish” Flying Avionics Testbed For The J-20 Fighter Emerges



Lifting a play from western 5th generation fighter development methodology, China is facing its own challenges with 5th-gen fighter sensor fusion in the air.

BY TYLER ROGOWAYFEBRUARY 3, 2017



China’s heavy stealth fighter-interceptor, the J-20, has rapidly matured over the last half decade, with some reports stating the jet may have reached limited initial operating capability. That term can mean very different things in the Russian and Chinese aerospace and defense communities than it does to their western counterparts. Fielding hardware early on, with minimal capabilities, and developing it in a spiral manner over time by using the operational community as a kind of testing ground, invites higher risk and less than fully vetted capabilities to front-line units. Yet it also offers more immediate results and can be strategically important not just in terms of fielded new capabilities, but also in terms of “optics” both for internal and external consumption.

Regardless of its operational state, the J-20 concept represents a potential threat as it was designed—along with other emerging Chinese aerial weaponry—to exploit weaknesses in American forces’ order of battle and combat doctrine. But the jet also represents a massive leap in Chinese aerospace and manufacturing capabilities and still holds many mysteries—maybe the most pressing among them is the maturity and intended abilities of its integrated avionics suite.

Now an image has emerged that shows how the Chinese are grabbing yet another play right out of modern western fighter development—using a surrogate airliner to act as a flying integrated avionics testbed for their new 5th generation fighter.

China's J-20 avionics testbed seen at the Yanglian flight test center:



The highly modified Russian-built Tupolev Tu-204C looks like a clone to Boeing’s 757-200 prototype turned F-22 integrated avionics testbed—better known as “The Catfish” due to its unique and highly modified nose profile. The Catfish has worked for nearly two decades to test and perfect the F-22’s ever evolving avionics suite.

Boeing's Catfish sits on the ramp at its home at Boeing Field in Washington (Clemens Vasters/Wikicommons):



Built primarily around the Raptor’s APG-77 AESA radar and its equally important ALR-94 electronic support measures suite—but also including its low-probability of intercept data-link, AAR-56 IR/UV missile approach warning system and secure communications systems, among other tactical subsystems—the F-22’s sensor suite and its powerful mission computers were unprecedented in their complexity and capability for their time.

Today the system is rivaled only by the one on the F-35. Much of the development that allowed for all these systems to work together reliably in an automated fashion was done aboard the Catfish. The aircraft features not only the iconic nose profile of the Raptor, but also the aircraft’s swept wing leading-edges, in which conformal antennas are buried. Inside the aircraft, computer workstations, server racks and even a recreation of the F-22 cockpit allow for testing in real flying conditions, including recreating tactical and environmental scenarios F-22 pilots may see in real life.

Catfish was by no means the first avionics testbed. Quite the contrary actually. Surrogate aircraft were used to test avionics, and especially radars, all the way back to World War II. But where the F-22 differed was in its level of “sensor fusion,” that was brought about by deep integration of its various sensors, computers, and communications systems. Before it, fighter avionics were largely “federated,” or systems of their own within a large package of individual systems. As such, Catfish represented a new level of surrogate testbed that was necessary to tackle the huge job of making all the F-22’s systems work together, as if by magic, in an actual airborne environment.

Here is Boeing’s press release from Catfish’s first flight in 1999:

“SEATTLE, March 11—Boeing today began testing the F-22 Raptor's integrated avionics on board its 757 Flying Test Bed. The 757 took off from Boeing Field and tested navigation and sensor emitter management functions.

Testing the Raptor's advanced avionics aboard the company's test bed will help reduce risk, as well as cut back on future F-22 flight test hours by enabling extensive in-flight testing, evaluation and troubleshooting before full avionics suites are installed on F-22 fighters.

The first avionics package, Block 1, which includes the radar and mission software, will be tested on the 757 between March and August 1999. Raptor 4004 will be the first aircraft to fly with its integrated avionics installed, and is scheduled to make its first flight in 2000.

Bob Barnes, Boeing vice president and F-22 program manager, said the
initial test flight went extremely well, adding that testing aboard the
757 will allow early delivery of a better developed avionics package.

"Avionics testing on other fighters has taken 4,000 to 6,000 hours," Barnes added. "We should be able to cut the hours on the F-22 by about 50 percent using our test bed.”

The test avionics are operated from a simulated F-22 cockpit, which has been installed in the test-bed cabin. The cockpit has primary and secondary F-22 displays, as well as a throttle and stick. There is room on the aircraft for up to 30 software engineers and technicians to evaluate the avionics during testing.

Additional modifications to the test bed include installation of an F-22 forward fuselage section to the nose of the plane, and installation of a sensor wing on the plane's crown. The sensor wing was designed and built to simulate the same wing sweep and orientation as an F-22 wing. Additionally, communication, navigation and identification sensors will be mounted directly on the wing to simulate sensor positioning on the F-22's wings.

Boeing is teamed with Lockheed Martin, Pratt & Whitney and the U.S. Air Force to develop the F-22. Boeing supplies the F-22's aft fuselage, wings, radar, 70 percent of the mission software, avionics integration and testing, training and life support systems.”

Since the F-22 became operational over a decade ago, Catfish has continued to play a vital role in supporting upgrades to the jet’s hardware and software, as well as in tactics development to some degree. From time-to-time it will migrate down to Edwards AFB or Nellis AFB for development work, and will even fly alongside other integrated testbeds, like the F-35’s Cooperative Avionics Testbed—nicknamed the CATbird—or those used by Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and other for cross-platform integration.

Knowing all this, it's easy to see why Chinese aerospace firms involved with the J-20’s development have chosen to take an almost identical, and highly proven, route for developing the J-20’s integrated avionics suite. I mean, it’s not like China has any problems with lifting proven designs and aerospace concepts from the US. And just because this testbed aircraft is just now emerging, it doesn't mean it hasn't existed for some time. In fact, most indications point toward the aircraft being fitted with J-20's radar for at least a year—if not two. Nor does it give any indication as to how far along the J-20’s avionics suite, and particularly its radar, is developmentally.
 
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If this is true.. then HAL has really improved itself as per government agency standard and full credit to scientists.. but i have seen so many missed deadlines by HAL that its hard to believe.. But i will always be optimistic here.. as 2-3 years back i heard the engine air intake canard and composite material work werevcompleted and electronic instruments already are developed which are being used in Tejas also.. and for AMCA they need to improvise on the equipment.. thats it.. So hope for the best..
We are still lagging behind "advanced composites", these composites will be used in the Kaveri engine that going to drive our AMCA a bit later, we have now the ability to create airframe composites so we can expect a bit of delay in the engine dept. Although the deadline is of 2019 if HAL can pull that off by creating a prototype till that date than this will be a huge achievement. But I am sure ADA must've designed the plane to counter J20 and J31, because the immediate enemy at our door steps will be that.

So I have a question to all of the respected members in the forum, As per design of the airframe how good is our AMCA in comparison to threats(PAF F16, J31, J20) presently exist? Keep in mind that production of J20 will be in full swing in 2017 and J31 in 2018 or late 2017 and I am getting this feeling that the clouds WW3 are forming up, it's just the chill hunch.
 
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China’s Own “Catfish” Flying Avionics Testbed For The J-20 Fighter Emerges



Lifting a play from western 5th generation fighter development methodology, China is facing its own challenges with 5th-gen fighter sensor fusion in the air.

BY TYLER ROGOWAYFEBRUARY 3, 2017



China’s heavy stealth fighter-interceptor, the J-20, has rapidly matured over the last half decade, with some reports stating the jet may have reached limited initial operating capability. That term can mean very different things in the Russian and Chinese aerospace and defense communities than it does to their western counterparts. Fielding hardware early on, with minimal capabilities, and developing it in a spiral manner over time by using the operational community as a kind of testing ground, invites higher risk and less than fully vetted capabilities to front-line units. Yet it also offers more immediate results and can be strategically important not just in terms of fielded new capabilities, but also in terms of “optics” both for internal and external consumption.

Regardless of its operational state, the J-20 concept represents a potential threat as it was designed—along with other emerging Chinese aerial weaponry—to exploit weaknesses in American forces’ order of battle and combat doctrine. But the jet also represents a massive leap in Chinese aerospace and manufacturing capabilities and still holds many mysteries—maybe the most pressing among them is the maturity and intended abilities of its integrated avionics suite.

Now an image has emerged that shows how the Chinese are grabbing yet another play right out of modern western fighter development—using a surrogate airliner to act as a flying integrated avionics testbed for their new 5th generation fighter.

China's J-20 avionics testbed seen at the Yanglian flight test center:



The highly modified Russian-built Tupolev Tu-204C looks like a clone to Boeing’s 757-200 prototype turned F-22 integrated avionics testbed—better known as “The Catfish” due to its unique and highly modified nose profile. The Catfish has worked for nearly two decades to test and perfect the F-22’s ever evolving avionics suite.

Boeing's Catfish sits on the ramp at its home at Boeing Field in Washington (Clemens Vasters/Wikicommons):



Built primarily around the Raptor’s APG-77 AESA radar and its equally important ALR-94 electronic support measures suite—but also including its low-probability of intercept data-link, AAR-56 IR/UV missile approach warning system and secure communications systems, among other tactical subsystems—the F-22’s sensor suite and its powerful mission computers were unprecedented in their complexity and capability for their time.

Today the system is rivaled only by the one on the F-35. Much of the development that allowed for all these systems to work together reliably in an automated fashion was done aboard the Catfish. The aircraft features not only the iconic nose profile of the Raptor, but also the aircraft’s swept wing leading-edges, in which conformal antennas are buried. Inside the aircraft, computer workstations, server racks and even a recreation of the F-22 cockpit allow for testing in real flying conditions, including recreating tactical and environmental scenarios F-22 pilots may see in real life.

Catfish was by no means the first avionics testbed. Quite the contrary actually. Surrogate aircraft were used to test avionics, and especially radars, all the way back to World War II. But where the F-22 differed was in its level of “sensor fusion,” that was brought about by deep integration of its various sensors, computers, and communications systems. Before it, fighter avionics were largely “federated,” or systems of their own within a large package of individual systems. As such, Catfish represented a new level of surrogate testbed that was necessary to tackle the huge job of making all the F-22’s systems work together, as if by magic, in an actual airborne environment.

Here is Boeing’s press release from Catfish’s first flight in 1999:

“SEATTLE, March 11—Boeing today began testing the F-22 Raptor's integrated avionics on board its 757 Flying Test Bed. The 757 took off from Boeing Field and tested navigation and sensor emitter management functions.

Testing the Raptor's advanced avionics aboard the company's test bed will help reduce risk, as well as cut back on future F-22 flight test hours by enabling extensive in-flight testing, evaluation and troubleshooting before full avionics suites are installed on F-22 fighters.

The first avionics package, Block 1, which includes the radar and mission software, will be tested on the 757 between March and August 1999. Raptor 4004 will be the first aircraft to fly with its integrated avionics installed, and is scheduled to make its first flight in 2000.

Bob Barnes, Boeing vice president and F-22 program manager, said the
initial test flight went extremely well, adding that testing aboard the
757 will allow early delivery of a better developed avionics package.

"Avionics testing on other fighters has taken 4,000 to 6,000 hours," Barnes added. "We should be able to cut the hours on the F-22 by about 50 percent using our test bed.”

The test avionics are operated from a simulated F-22 cockpit, which has been installed in the test-bed cabin. The cockpit has primary and secondary F-22 displays, as well as a throttle and stick. There is room on the aircraft for up to 30 software engineers and technicians to evaluate the avionics during testing.

Additional modifications to the test bed include installation of an F-22 forward fuselage section to the nose of the plane, and installation of a sensor wing on the plane's crown. The sensor wing was designed and built to simulate the same wing sweep and orientation as an F-22 wing. Additionally, communication, navigation and identification sensors will be mounted directly on the wing to simulate sensor positioning on the F-22's wings.

Boeing is teamed with Lockheed Martin, Pratt & Whitney and the U.S. Air Force to develop the F-22. Boeing supplies the F-22's aft fuselage, wings, radar, 70 percent of the mission software, avionics integration and testing, training and life support systems.”

Since the F-22 became operational over a decade ago, Catfish has continued to play a vital role in supporting upgrades to the jet’s hardware and software, as well as in tactics development to some degree. From time-to-time it will migrate down to Edwards AFB or Nellis AFB for development work, and will even fly alongside other integrated testbeds, like the F-35’s Cooperative Avionics Testbed—nicknamed the CATbird—or those used by Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and other for cross-platform integration.

Knowing all this, it's easy to see why Chinese aerospace firms involved with the J-20’s development have chosen to take an almost identical, and highly proven, route for developing the J-20’s integrated avionics suite. I mean, it’s not like China has any problems with lifting proven designs and aerospace concepts from the US. And just because this testbed aircraft is just now emerging, it doesn't mean it hasn't existed for some time. In fact, most indications point toward the aircraft being fitted with J-20's radar for at least a year—if not two. Nor does it give any indication as to how far along the J-20’s avionics suite, and particularly its radar, is developmentally.
This means that they are following the same doctrine of what USAF does, damn these aholes are smart buggers. We still have so many challenges, but one thing is sure, we are going indigenous but slowly, and as of what I've seen in our tejas, we are going good, with no losses(touch wood) meanwhile chinkies are copying stuff, they believe in the power of numbers so if they built cheap planes they can counter even entire US and it's allied nations. I am sure our scientist are gonna come up with our own test bed as we are the kings of frugal innovations, no one can match that.

I was so overjoyed and felt proud that when one of the ISRO scientist said when's our mission of 104 satellite was successful, he said "we have to buy some high resolution cameras that were costing 35lakhs per piece and to which he gave a grin and said, that he went to his higher ups and said give me some time and I will build you some for 50,000 INR and they gave him the opportunity and he did it with his team in 9mnths time". That's pure innovation so I hope our HAL scientist will come up with our own test bed or something different.
 

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We are still lagging behind "advanced composites", these composites will be used in the Kaveri engine that going to drive our AMCA a bit later, we have now the ability to create airframe composites so we can expect a bit of delay in the engine dept. Although the deadline is of 2019 if HAL can pull that off by creating a prototype till that date than this will be a huge achievement. But I am sure ADA must've designed the plane to counter J20 and J31, because the immediate enemy at our door steps will be that.

So I have a question to all of the respected members in the forum, As per design of the airframe how good is our AMCA in comparison to threats(PAF F16, J31, J20) presently exist? Keep in mind that production of J20 will be in full swing in 2017 and J31 in 2018 or late 2017 and I am getting this feeling that the clouds WW3 are forming up, it's just the chill hunch.
Definitely would more powerful than F16s.. will be equal to J20s or J31s or even i can say AMCA would be more capable.. as i remember ADA is working on fly by light technology also for the AMCA.. FBL will a game changer as this will revolutionize the fighter stealth, attack style & maneuverability..
 

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We are still lagging behind "advanced composites", these composites will be used in the Kaveri engine that going to drive our AMCA a bit later, we have now the ability to create airframe composites so we can expect a bit of delay in the engine dept. Although the deadline is of 2019 if HAL can pull that off by creating a prototype till that date than this will be a huge achievement. But I am sure ADA must've designed the plane to counter J20 and J31, because the immediate enemy at our door steps will be that.

So I have a question to all of the respected members in the forum, As per design of the airframe how good is our AMCA in comparison to threats(PAF F16, J31, J20) presently exist? Keep in mind that production of J20 will be in full swing in 2017 and J31 in 2018 or late 2017 and I am getting this feeling that the clouds WW3 are forming up, it's just the chill hunch.
AMCA will be stealthier than J-31 and J-20. Tejas is stealthier than Rafale (Airframe wise). Thus our engineers are mature enough now to incorporate more advanced stealth aspect to AMCA. My only concern is how they will mask the outward engine section as that is the most sophisticated part. F-16 is no where in this league bro. RIP block 70.
 

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Definitely would more powerful than F16s.. will be equal to J20s or J31s or even i can say AMCA would be more capable.. as i remember ADA is working on fly by light technology also for the AMCA.. FBL will a game changer as this will revolutionize the fighter stealth, attack style & maneuverability..
FBL seems to be a tough nut to crack....

I just found a research paper dating Nov 1993
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._flight_control_systems_on_transport_aircraft

First tested in EC 135 helo in 2002

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/fly-by-light-ec135-helicopter-makes-first-flight-142313/

Wonder what went wrong and still no operational aircrafts or helos using FBL

NASA had this concept in 1988
Overview of NASA Research in Fiber Optics for Aircraft Controls

NASA testing PBW & FBL march 2014

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/armstrong/news/FactSheets/FS-039-DFRC.html

We are planning to use PBW in LCA MK2 and FBL in AMCA....

Till date only F 35 is flying with PBW....

My only concern is these PBW & FBL might delay much needed LCA MK2 & AMCA...

I remember reading somewhere that FBW in LCA is not that good we compared to FBW tech in Mirage(only FBW tech).

Note: I am not from Aero background, found above info when trying to understand the advantages of PBW & FBL over FBW...
 

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I remember reading somewhere that FBW in LCA is not that good we compared to FBW tech in Mirage(only FBW tech).
It was previously.. but they did improve on internal sensor and avionics and control system.. thats why Tejas got excellent manoeuvrability which was seen in recent aero shows also..
 

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India’s indigenous AMCA is set to fly on Russian technology
25 February 2017 RAKESH KRISHNAN SIMHA
Russian thrust vectoring expertise and stealth technology will play a key role in shaping India’s future AMCA warplane. In the meantime, Moscow and New Delhi need to sort out the remaining issues in the PAK-FA stealth fighter.
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Even as India and Russia sort out the issues facing the PAK-FA, there are suggestions from certain quarters that the Indian Air Force should look elsewhere for its future stealth fighter. This is ironic, considering that India’s indigenous Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is set to fly on technology developed in Russia.

K. Tamilmani, Chief Controller R&D (Aero) of the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO), says India has the basic technologies but Russia is cooperating in critical areas such as thrust vectoring.

Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Agency – which designed the Tejas warplane – had in 2015 asked for Russian assistance in getting the AMCA off the ground. Following a government to government memorandum, a number of Russian companies agreed to help out in the stealth aircraft project. The most significant partnership is between Klimov and the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) to develop three-dimensional thrust vectoring for the AMCA’s engines.

Other partnerships include a joint venture between the Electronics & Radar Development Establishment (LRDE) with the Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Design for the development of an active electronically scanned array or AESA radar, and between ADA and Sukhoi for stealth and related technologies.


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The ADA has a long wishlist. It pitches the AMCA as one of the world’s top dogfight dukes, boasting “extended detection range and targeting, supersonic persistence and high speed weapon release”. Close-combat operations will be facilitated by “high angle of attack capability, low infrared signature and all round missile warning system.”

A key Russian influence is supermanoeuvrability, which is defined as the ability of an aircraft to fly extreme manoeuvres such as Pugachev’s Cobra. Even the American F-35 stealth jet – which has swallowed $1 trillion during development – does not have supermanoeuvrability. It is an indication that the ADA is aiming for a truly world class fighter.

Tamilmani says “four prototypes are expected in 2019”. That may sound overly optimistic – especially in the backdrop of stealth fighter programmes in the U.S., Russia and South Korea experiencing developmental issues. However, it is also a pointer to the Indian defence establishment’s confidence in its ability to develop an entire weapons platform from scratch after the success of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft.

Different planes, different roles
Sukhoi’s PAK-FA (Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi or Future Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces) is intended to be an air superiority warplane, with ground attack and reconnaissance being secondary missions. Known as the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) in India, it is a heavy aircraft that will perform the same role as the IAF’s Su-30MKI “air dominance” fighter.

On the other hand, the AMCA is aimed at replacing much smaller ground attack jets such as the Mirage-2000, Jaguar and Mig-27. The IAF will always have a need for a mix of aircraft, including large, medium and small jets for a variety of combat roles. Therefore, replacing the FGFA with the AMCA makes no sense at all.

Why is the FGFA important?
India has a steep learning curve in stealth fighter development. In this backdrop, the knowledge gained from the FGFA will help India in the indigenous AMCA.

To be sure, Indian scientists haven’t gained much hands-on experience in the project because the PAK-FA T-50 is a fairly mature aircraft for India to get substantial work share. In fact, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) – which initially hoped to get some development work from Sukhoi – has surrendered much of its quota of work.

While the T-50 may be far down the developmental path, the Russian side insists the FGFA is a different bird meant for Indian skies. “This is an entirely new project for building a new aircraft,” says Viktor N. Kladov, Director, International Cooperation, Rostec, Russia’s largest state holding company in the defence sector.


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Even if the Indian role in the FFGA project remains confined to customisation – rather than joint development – it could still turn out to be valuable exposure for Indian scientists. Here one needs to look at the substantial Indian contribution to the Su-30 Flanker programme. The Indian MKI version of the jet is now the most advanced Flanker in the world, with the Russian Air Force also going in for the same standard. Customisation, therefore, shouldn’t be sneezed at.

Synergies in FGFA and AMCA
When India and Russia inked the FGFA deal in December 2011, HAL had only 15 per cent of the work share but was paying 50 per cent of the development cost. But India’s share in research-and-development was limited by its domestic industrial capabilities. The country had no expertise in stealth, which has taxed the world’s leading armament companies.

However, India’s work share will gradually increase as local engineers and scientists gain experience in the concurrent AMCA and FGFA projects. According to Igor Korotchenko, head of the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Global Arms Trade, “Russia will certainly provide all necessary knowledge and logistics support to Indian specialists, but developing skills and acquiring experience in design and development of advanced fighter aircraft takes a long time and substantial effort.”

At Aero India 2017 in Bangalore, Defence Minister Manohar Parikkar saidthat the vexing issues in the FGFA were being sorted out. “There are some issues to be addressed in terms of manufacturing, how it will be exported after the project is completed and what approvals will be required,” he said.

The Defence Ministry has constituted a team to look into the various aspects of the FGFA and it is likely to submit its report within a month after which things would be finalised. A three-star officer is heading the panel.

Until the Tejas arrived, India had lacked a locally built jet fighter since the 1970s when it had the Marut and Gnat/Ajeet. Both were excellent fighters – especially the Gnat, which was a scare word in the Pakistan Air Force – but were retired quickly because the IAF wanted to only import foreign fighters. India thus lost development continuity. This blunder must not be repeated because airpower in the 21st century will reflect India’s manufacturing strength. With warplanes growing in complexity and costs, and hostile stealth aircraft about to debut in India’s neighbourhood, imports are certainly not an option.
https://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_...ca-is-set-to-fly-on-russian-technology_705808
 

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Even the American F-35 stealth jet – which has swallowed $1 trillion during development – does not have supermanoeuvrability. It is an indication that the ADA is aiming for a truly world class fighter.
It's non-supermanoeuvrability is a known fact to USAF, they decided to build it because it will not require supermanoeuvrability to tackle the likes of SU50 or any 5th gen aggressors, it's host of avionics EOTAS and DAS are enough to counter any fighter, but it would be foolish to consider that it will be going all alone, the USAF new air dominance strategy after equipping it's arsenal with F22's and F35's are now very effective since due various air exercises recently, primarily the red flag.

Here's the latest updates from the red flag in 2017:

https://www.f35.com/news/detail/f-35a-records-20-to-1-kill-ratio-at-red-flag-exercise

https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/...-most-probably-thanks-to-the-supporting-f-22/

The speculative formation is of "finger four", the supermanoeuvrability role is assigned to F22 to maintain the air superiority over the aggressors, where as F35 suppress the enemy air defense, filtering it out or are on over watch role to intercept BVR targets. The recent air exercise showed a glimpse of another formation being exercised, 4 F35's and 2 F22's in data link. F22 somewhere close in vicinity, undetected and braking radio silence only when they spot an enemy, information is then passed on to F35's and they engage. Hence the 20 kills, but it's all being speculative.

On a side note: I apologize for making a bump post of F35 in an AMCA thread.

Since our AMCA would be assigned such roles, it's better to analyze the F35 roles as they will be quite similar to what our AMCA would do. I hope IAF is watching the hawks and learning.
 

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Preliminary design of India’s proposed Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) will begin in March, with a target of flying the aircraft in 2024 and making it ready for service as early as 2030.

As the defense ministry’s Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) awaits approval for full-scale development, an upgraded version of the General Electric F414 powerplant has become the likely choice for the twin-engine indigenous fighter.

The engine will be chosen soon, says the ADA official, giving no specific date. The choices are the Eurojet EJ200 of the Eurofighter Typhoon, SafranM88 of the Dassault Rafale, and the GE F414, used in the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, KF-X, Saab JAS 39E/F Gripen and the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Tejas Mk. 2.

ADA sees advantages in choosing the F414, says the official, without elaborating. Two are obvious: experience with working with GE in the Tejas program; and the F414’s thrust. ADA says the AMCA needs an engine of 110 kn (24,700 lb.), well above the ratings of the EJ200 and M88. The F414-404, installed in the Super Hornet, generates 22,000 lb. of thrust, but GE is offering an enhanced F414 in the 26,000-lb. class. GE also has remarkably rich experience in integrating the F414 and its predecessor, the F404, in different airframes.

There are plans to develop a non-stealthy aircraft based on the AMCA platform as well to take over the rearguard and replace the legacy aircraft
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TejasMrca/photos/?ref=page_internal
 

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Preliminary design of India’s proposed Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) will begin in March, with a target of flying the aircraft in 2024 and making it ready for service as early as 2030.

As the defense ministry’s Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) awaits approval for full-scale development, an upgraded version of the General Electric F414 powerplant has become the likely choice for the twin-engine indigenous fighter.

The engine will be chosen soon, says the ADA official, giving no specific date. The choices are the Eurojet EJ200 of the Eurofighter Typhoon, SafranM88 of the Dassault Rafale, and the GE F414, used in the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, KF-X, Saab JAS 39E/F Gripen and the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Tejas Mk. 2.

ADA sees advantages in choosing the F414, says the official, without elaborating. Two are obvious: experience with working with GE in the Tejas program; and the F414’s thrust. ADA says the AMCA needs an engine of 110 kn (24,700 lb.), well above the ratings of the EJ200 and M88. The F414-404, installed in the Super Hornet, generates 22,000 lb. of thrust, but GE is offering an enhanced F414 in the 26,000-lb. class. GE also has remarkably rich experience in integrating the F414 and its predecessor, the F404, in different airframes.

There are plans to develop a non-stealthy aircraft based on the AMCA platform as well to take over the rearguard and replace the legacy aircraft
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I have question, as per my knowledge, F414 has three varients, 1 is the older F414 variant that is being used in the super hornets, another for Tejas mark 2 and the Brazilian Saab Gripen and the newest of them all, the F414 enhanced variant with 18% more thrust and twice the electrical power output, is this the one being selected for AMCA?
 

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