Alternatives to Dassault Rafale

[karn]

IAF have 130 odd jaguars that are being upgraded to drain 3 standard and will serve till AMCA serial production start.

Good ... Now figure out how the IAF can get an additional 120 Jaguars . Which is you know ... their requirement to begin with .

 

[Kunal Biswas]

If anything going to replace Rafale it should be Tejas MK2 ..

My money on things made and design in India than anything produce under license from outside ..

 

[pmaitra]

@ all users

IMO, F-35 though however lucarative is a product from USA.
How well can we trust USA to provide us with spares and support in circumstances? USA can use this to armtwist India , later for its geostrategic objectives.

How well has USAs commitment on spares, support went with its neutral allies (Countries who has position like India) on defence deals.?
@pmaitra, @Ray, @Kunal Biswas, @JBH22 and all others.

Not quite an ally, but a friendly neutral country, I would say.

This is not just about F-35, but about many US made products, that are good purely from a technical point of view, but becomes less attractive with the strings attached.

Now, specific to F-35, it is a political product, a project touted to be too big to fail, and has become the jack of all trades and master of none, due to it being used to satisfy various different roles. It has a wide fuselage, large radar signature, and its stealth features are overrated. India is better off without it.

 

[Lone Ranger]

If anything going to replace Rafale it should be Tejas MK2 ..

My money on things made and design in India than anything produce under license from outside ..

Thats like replacing sword with a needle.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You don`t need swords to stitch clothes do you ?

Thats like replacing sword with a needle.

 

[pmaitra]

If anything going to replace Rafale it should be Tejas MK2 ..

My money on things made and design in India than anything produce under license from outside ..

While single engine HAL LCA is not in the same category as twin-engine Rafale, I agree with you, that we should attempt to fill in the void of Rafale with the HAL LCA.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The fundamental is always war attrition in mind ..

While single engine HAL LCA is not in the same category as twin-engine Rafale, I agree with you, that we should attempt to fill in the void of Rafale with the HAL LCA.

 

[pmaitra]

The fundamental is always war attrition in mind ..

That is a very good point, and I agree.

 

[Ray]

If one could decipher what the Def Min said in his talk in Karan Thapar's show, it appears Sukhois are on the cards.

Russia will only be too keen to accept all of India's conditions, now that it is up the gum tree.

 

[power_monger]

If one could decipher what the Def Min said in his talk in Karan Thapar's show, it appears Sukhois are on the cards.

Russia will only be too keen to accept all of India's conditions, now that it is up the gum tree.

I think there is heightened focus to improve the availability of Sukhois to IAF. At present Availaibility of Sukhois has been improved to 58% from previous 40%. If we can get it to around 75-80%,this in itself could negate one of the factors which necesitated MMRCA.

 

[sgarg]

But what about low speed attack/bomb run, anti-tank run and CAS???

You want to use a 150M plane for THIS??? Who in his right mind will use Rafale for CAS??

You need LCA Tejas, and Mig-27 for CAS. LCA Tejas has excellent low speed characteristics. The problem with discussion here is that LCA Tejas is always dropped from discussion.
The Mig-21M and Mig-21bis will also be used for CAS as long as they stay in the inventory.

Jaguar will be used for long penetration mission for which it is designed.

Su-30 will be used primarily for air-air role and strategic strike role.

 

[Lone Ranger]

You don`t need swords to stitch clothes do you ?

My friend i don't think huge fleet of Russian flankers based Chinese planes and f16's of Pakistan is comparable to stitching clothes.
We need capable fighters/bombers not interceptors like tejas.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

You want to use a 150M plane for THIS??? Who in his right mind will use Rafale for CAS??

You need LCA Tejas, and Mig-27 for CAS. LCA Tejas has excellent low speed characteristics. The problem with discussion here is that LCA Tejas is always dropped from discussion.
The Mig-21M and Mig-21bis will also be used for CAS as long as they stay in the inventory.

Jaguar will be used for long penetration mission for which it is designed.

Su-30 will be used primarily for air-air role and strategic strike role.

The comment was with regard to replacing Mig-27 which are going to be phased out.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Not your buddy or friend, Know about your own first before some body else, Do not go around spreading such disinformation ..

China does not have huge Russian inventory but their own kinds and PAF`s handful quality equipment, Tejas are design for mult-role purpose according to IOC & FOC config ..

My friend i don't think huge fleet of Russian flankers based Chinese planes and f16's of Pakistan is comparable to stitching clothes.
We need capable fighters/bombers not interceptors like tejas.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Not your buddy or friend, Know about your own first before some body else, Do not go around spreading such disinformation ..

China does not have huge Russian inventory but their own kinds and PAF`s handful quality equipment, Tejas are design for mult-role purpose according to IOC & FOC config ..

You should read carefully before commenting , i said Russian flankers based as most of Chinese air force inventory is re engineered Russian flankers.
Tejas is nothing compared to chinese j 10 or PAF f16/jf17

 

[power_monger]

Tejas is nothing compared to chinese j 10 or PAF f16/jf17

Oh really? Can you explain how?

 

[Lone Ranger]

Oh really? Can you explain how?

Reality need no explanation , an under powered bird flying at 1.4 mach speed which cant turn properly and can carry limited fuel and armaments will save this country in future , living in day dream are we ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Are we China or Pakistan ?, Tejas was build upon IAF / Indian needs NOT Pakistan`s or Chinese ..

Can you quietly shut the nonsense now ..

Tejas is nothing compared to chinese j 10 or PAF f16/jf17

Reality need no explanation , an under powered bird flying at 1.4 mach speed which cant turn properly and can carry limited fuel and armaments will save this country in future , living in day dream are we ?

 

[Zebra]

Unless you have found a way to produce more Jaguars that is not really an option .

It cost South Korea 7billion USD for 40 F 35 . India will not get a better deal.
If the IAF buys Rafales directly from France that too will be cheaper ... significantly.

Sir, first of all check $7 billion for what. I mean the additional stuff for the $7 billion deal.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Not trying to divert from the topic, But will be our fate will be like Libya if we don not accept Rafale or Sukhois ??

Libya discarded Rafale than Migs which gave excuse to western powers to attack Libya, First by creating artificial domestic issues and then a planned military intervention and ultimately killing of the Leader of the country ..

Under puppet Government, Libya is buying many French Jets ..

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Are we going through what Libya had in past ?, Is that why we are sticking with Sukhois which are more a maintenance nightmare .. ?

@pmaitra , @Virendra , @sayareakd Sir, @bengalraider ..

If one could decipher what the Def Min said in his talk in Karan Thapar's show, it appears Sukhois are on the cards.

Russia will only be too keen to accept all of India's conditions, now that it is up the gum tree.