Al-Khalid MBT And Pakistani Armour

[Akim]

i am not sure,though the image look Photoshop

but they are the only source of latest pics which we havent seen in the past.

A pretty picture, but the mounting. Tanks not go under the water in this density and in two columns. In addition to the driver, the tank still controlled by the operator on the lannd.

 

[Dazzler]

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@Andrei_bt

can you shed some light on T-80ud (object. 478BE) composite amrour composition?

 

[farhan_9909]

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true or false?

 

[Damian]

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Most likely false, weapon system price is not static but very fluid. And price might be depending on weapon system configuration as well as additional logistic package and what this package contains (ammunition, spare parts, training tools and aids etc.).

 

[Dazzler]

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@Andrei_bt

i have so many questions in mind cant even put them all here but let me try

* Kharkiv already developed their version of T-80ud and called it T-84 so which one they demonstrated to Pakistan?

* Exactly what components were blocked by Russia apart of K-5 ERA modules?

* IF K-5 was blocked as we know now, what ERA is there on Pak UDs? IF its K-5, how they managed it since the article mentions Nozh development augmented by the UD sale funds

* First 15 cars were from stock, rest had prodominantly T-84 parts, i am told they are a mix of T-80UD and T-84 but Pak Army call them all as UD. This is not unusual as we inducted Chinese f-7p and later the modified MP but all are designated as P only.

* Why Ukraine dont operate UDs as a frontline mbt instead of t-64s?


Thanks

 

[Damian]

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* Kharkiv already developed their version of T-80ud and called it T-84 so which one they demonstrated to Pakistan?

T-80UD was allways Kharkiv design, based on Leningrad/Omsk T-80U, but with diesel engine and some more advanced features.

* IF K-5 was blocked as we know now, what ERA is there on Pak UDs? IF its K-5, how they managed it since the article mentions Nozh development augmented by the UD sale funds

There were most likely stocks of K-5 on Ukraine.

* First 15 cars were from stock, rest had prodominantly T-84 parts, i am told they are a mix of T-80UD and T-84 but Pak Army call them all as UD. This is not unusual as we inducted Chinese f-7p and later the modified MP but all are designated as P only.

15 first T-80UD's were original Soviet Object 478B variant with cast turret, rest were modified Object 478BE with welded turret, both are just variants of T-80UD, T-84 series starts with Object 478DU index AFAIK.

* Why Ukraine dont operate UDs as a frontline mbt instead of t-64s?

Economy. T-64BV and T-64BM/BM "Bulat are cheaper, what is left from T-80UD's and with some T-84's, are kept in storage. If economical situation permitts, Ukraine will start to manufacture more modern BM "Oplot" for themselfs.

 

[Andrei_bt]

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@Andrei_bt
* Kharkiv already developed their version of T-80ud and called it T-84 so which one they demonstrated to Pakistan?
Thanks

Pakistan has tank called T-80UD - designers name object "478BE" it has specially optimized engine for Pakistan conditions, welded turret and other improvements.

* Exactly what components were blocked by Russia apart of K-5 ERA modules?

It goes about license on 4c22 ERA tiles. The production of such are conducted on Ukrainian factory.
The decision of regulation (court) was that the Russian patent is not legitimate.
So all Pakistani tanks were equipped with 4s22 tiles.

IF K-5 was blocked as we know now, what ERA is there on Pak UDs? IF its K-5, how they managed it since the article mentions Nozh development augmented by the UD sale funds

above.

First 15 cars were from stock, rest had predominantly T-84 parts, i am told they are a mix of T-80UD and T-84 but Pak Army call them all as UD. This is not unusual as we inducted Chinese f-7p and later the modified MP but all are designated as P only.

The first batch of 15 vehicles was delivered early in 1997, with final deliveries taking place in late 1999.
The vehicles of the final batches incorporated many features of the T-84, including an all-welded turret and other improvements.

Why Ukraine don't operate UDs as a frontline mbt instead of t-64s?

Most were delivered to Russia, Ukraine has not enough.

 

[Dazzler]

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MBT 2000 Bangladesh... powered by Ukrainian 6td-2 engines

 

[Andrei_bt]

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There were most likely stocks of K-5 on Ukraine.

1-st, ERA tiles have limited life, so they can not be "stocks".
It is in mass production in Ukraine since Ussr time by Donetsk chemical device factory.

 

[Dazzler]

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Pakistan has tank called T-80UD - designers name object "478BE" it has specially optimized engine for Pakistan conditions, welded turret and other improvements.



It goes about license on 4c22 ERA tiles. The production of such are conducted on Ukrainian factory.
The decision of regulation (court) was that the Russian patent is not legitimate.
So all Pakistani tanks were equipped with 4s22 tiles.



above.



The first batch of 15 vehicles was delivered early in 1997, with final deliveries taking place in late 1999.
The vehicles of the final batches incorporated many features of the T-84, including an all-welded turret and other improvements.



Most were delivered to Russia, Ukraine has not enough.

can you specify what are those "other improvements" shared between UD and T-84?

 

[Damian]

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@Andrei_bt

How many T-80UD's and manufactured tanks from T-84 series Ukraine have? Do you have photos from storage base where these are kept? I mean something more detailed than it is spread on forums and can be found on your blog?

 

[Andrei_bt]

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@Andrei_bt

can you shed some light on T-80ud (object. 478BE) composite amrour composition?

it can not be penetrated by most opponent's current arsenal, but without Noz ERA it is not up to date. Pakistani side has no finance for upgrades, as I understand.

 

[farhan_9909]

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it can not be penetrated by most opponent's current arsenal, but without Noz ERA it is not up to date. Pakistani side has no finance for upgrades, as I understand.

DONT KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF UPGRADES.

But making the interior of T-80ud more digital and autoloader electronics upgrade

This project investigates the malfunctioning of autoloader of tank T-80UD and leads towards redesigning the electronics of Auto-loader of this particular Tank. The Control Unit (BU-43) is responsible for the electronics control implementation of auto-loader in tank T-80UD. This research includes the detailed study of existing technology being used presently, the redesigning of control unit on Microcontroller based system, and to develop a Working Test Bench for the auto-loader. This research project is an important step forward in the defence sector of Pakistan.
Supervisors: Dr. Javaid Iqbal, Asst. Prof. Nasir Rashid

24 Development of controls of autoloader for T-80 UD Tank:
This project aims at controlling the complete conveyor turning mechanism (CTM) of the auto leading operation as controlled by the BU-43 unit. The CTM is the main component of the entire auto loading process and all other operations are connected to this process either directly or indirectly. It involves the control of a bi-directional rotation of a conveyor belt on which four types of ammunition can be loaded or unloaded. There are a total of twenty eight ammunition storage compartments of beds in the chain. The mechanism is also responsible for storing the number and types of rounds placed in the bed in the memory and displaying the information on a user interface. The main sensor included in this process is the conveyor position transducer (CPT) which determines the bed at initial position. Loading or unloading can be done in or from a bed at initial position only. Therefore, the CPT output and the memory decides how many steps the chain is to be rotated to bring the desired bed into initial position.
Supervisors: Asst. Prof. Nasir Rashid, Dr. Adnan Masood

http://www.nust.edu.pk/INSTITUTIONS...ineering/Research/Pages/Student-Projects.aspx

 

[Andrei_bt]

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DONT KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF UPGRADES.
But making the interior of T-80ud more digital and autoloader electronics upgrade

Student Projects... very good.

 

[Dazzler]

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it can not be penetrated by most opponent's current arsenal, but without Noz ERA it is not up to date. Pakistani side has no finance for upgrades, as I understand.

its not a matter of finance

Ukraine offered Nozh to replace K-5 but Pakistan refused, reason being that T-80ud was an interim solution since Al Khalid was under development. This is from a firsthand source. Currently, all UDs are upgraded with better FCS and Catherine TI sights.

 

[farhan_9909]

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Student Projects... very good.

Yes but under high authority of nust and officially funded by HEC.

there are other upgrade such as a addition of GIDS developed Rehbar IBMS.

As per minstry of defence production HIT itself has the assembling and over hauling capability of t80ud engine.

 

[Dazzler]

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DONT KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF UPGRADES.

But making the interior of T-80ud more digital and autoloader electronics upgrade





Student Projects

Interesting upgrade, never knew they upgraded UDs 6Ets autoloader too, guess there are some intriguing projects going on at NUST and HIT regarding MBT upgrades

 

[Andrei_bt]

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its not a matter of finance

Ukraine offered Nozh to replace K-5 but Pakistan refused, reason being that T-80ud was an interim solution since Al Khalid was under development. This is from a firsthand source. Currently, all UDs are upgraded with better FCS and Catherine TI sights.

That's why "Al Khalid" has not achieved T-80UD level of protection, you are funny )))

HIT itself has the assembling

how many engiens they assembled?

 

[Dazzler]

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That's why "Al Khalid" has not achieved T-80UD level of protection, you are funny )))



how many engiens they assembled?

its very much debatable unless you know the composite armour details of AK and UD, AARDIC in incharge of armour R&D and have developed some intriguing projects lately including Aorak ERA series (3rd gen in production) and recent upgrades to AK-1 mbt.

No one can doubt the Ukrainian expertise in armour technologies.

 

[Andrei_bt]

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its very much debatable unless you know the composite armour details of AK and UD, AARDIC in incharge of armour R&D and have developed some intriguing projects lately including Aorak ERA series (3rd gen in production) and recent upgrades to AK-1 mbt.

No one can doubt the Ukrainian expertise in armour technologies.

You are very funny, nothing more I can say )))

ntriguing projects lately including Aorak ERA series (3rd gen in production)