Aircraft Crash Notification

[skunk works]

So you are blaming Modi for the Mig-21 crashes? Someone please do the needful, i.e., post Mudi rejining.

Uh yes? He has had plenty of time, money and political mandate to replace it?

 

[Blademaster]

Yes, its 10 years since he came and he has not yet retired all existing Mig-21s.

He through DM Manohar Parrikar tried to get IAF to buy more LCAs but they kept resisting. So not fault of Modi however you want it to be.

And shows the shortsightedness and shallowness of your posts.

 

[Blademaster]

Uh yes? He has had plenty of time, money and political mandate to replace it?

He did try to replace it with more LCAs but IAF kept resisting the efforts. It was only by sheer stubbornness and will displayed by DM Manohar Parrikar to get IAF onboard.

 

[jai jaganath]

Uh yes? He has had plenty of time, money and political mandate to replace it?

Ahh are u ignoring iaf incompetence which is damn larger than mod and pmo

 

[skunk works]

Ahh are u ignoring iaf incompetence which is damn larger than mod and pmo

My views about IAFs competence are well known. I have alway hated how Indian armed forces always try to cover paucity of basic equipment and lack of knowledge of modern tactics with "hamaare jaanbaaz jawan chadh Gaye tiger hill par"
Notice how this fiction is always parroted by the middle and senior officer class. It's not their own kids dying. Their own kids are safe with green cards.

Mudiji is the PM and the buck stops with him. He has immense power to deal with chandigarh lobby/ import lobby. If he isn't, it's obvious he is either afraid of them or agrees with them.

 

[skunk works]

He through DM Manohar Parrikar tried to get IAF to buy more LCAs but they kept resisting. So not fault of Modi however you want it to be.

And shows the shortsightedness and shallowness of your posts.

If the PRIME MINISTER also has to TRY to make a force he commands to do something, we are indeed a republic.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

My views about IAFs competence are well known. I have alway hated how Indian armed forces always try to cover paucity of basic equipment and lack of knowledge of modern tactics with "hamaare jaanbaaz jawan chadh Gaye tiger hill par"
Notice how this fiction is always parroted by the middle and senior officer class. It's not their own kids dying. Their own kids are safe with green cards.

Mudiji is the PM and the buck stops with him. He has immense power to deal with chandigarh lobby/ import lobby. If he isn't, it's obvious he is either afraid of them or agrees with them.

This is very true, even very simple piece of spares are sold for massive mark-up by certain chandigarh business men. Have a friend whose family deals in it. A simple fuse to ignite propellant in a howitzer carries a massive markup. We are talking about few 100 bucks to 10s of thousands and even lakhs.

 

[prasadr14]

If the PRIME MINISTER also has to TRY to make a force he commands to do something, we are indeed a republic.

you are glaring example of why half knowledge is dangerous.

 

[skunk works]

This is very true, even very simple piece of spares are sold for massive mark-up by certain chandigarh business men. Have a friend whose family deals in it. A simple fuse to ignite propellant in a howitzer carries a massive markup. We are talking about few 100 bucks to 10s of thousands and even lakhs.

That's how you get a third world military with a first world budget.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

Remember, these same samosa PSUs are claiming they will build a stealth platform (which have very, very tight tolerances)

Oh well, I can cover me Shlong in a condom and call it stealthy. These guys are making no planes before 2050.

Did I mention that they could not make the DARNED Intermediate Trainer Jet in 25 years? Yes, its 2023 and HAL Sitara is not yet in production. Stuck in some shitty loop of certification or something. Did I mention that project started in 1999 or something?

 

[jai jaganath]

My views about IAFs competence are well known. I have alway hated how Indian armed forces always try to cover paucity of basic equipment and lack of knowledge of modern tactics with "hamaare jaanbaaz jawan chadh Gaye tiger hill par"
Notice how this fiction is always parroted by the middle and senior officer class. It's not their own kids dying. Their own kids are safe with green cards.

Mudiji is the PM and the buck stops with him. He has immense power to deal with chandigarh lobby/ import lobby. If he isn't, it's obvious he is either afraid of them or agrees with them.

It's obvious state of armed forces and especially air force
But u have to understand govt especially ours can't go like bull in defence procurement they need collaboration of armed forces and mod
Basically it's mod who is pushing for indigenization whereas armed forces playing their usual antics
The reason mmrca not being concluded was iaf yes and u know why bcoz of kickbacks
It's like until competition is love they lobbies will pump money in order to get the deal so the defence officials very well know the moment deal completes then their money and benefits will stop so better the competition go for decades
Similar things are being done in mrfa 2.0
It's mod and pmo pushing indigenous equipments through iaf throat after approval it took 2 years for iaf for price negotiation isn't it wonderful
When iaf who is not ready for indigenization not ready for induction not ready for increasing competency then what can GoI do even it has some restrictions
It's iaf which has to fight if they aren't serious u can't expect anyone to be serious for them
Let them behave like child in toy showroom they will feel the consequences during war

 

[FactsPlease]

Mudiji is the PM and the buck stops with him. He has immense power to deal with chandigarh lobby/ import lobby. If he isn't, it's obvious he is either afraid of them or agrees with them.

"Buck has to stop somewhere."

ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

Dassault also needs to do MLU of their old Rafales to F4 and F5 standard. Rafale F4 production will happen in India with a dedicated MRO facility. The production plant could be later used to produce TEDBF. Do u think mrfa materialize and production to be done in India By when do u think the...

defenceforumindia.com

The only where that phrase does not work is autocracy like N Korea.
India is not N Korea.
Modi has been the PM (for 10 years). If even him can not change it, who else? God?

Raise a meeting, sitting down with top generals & MoD: "Tell me, in how many years you think you can achieve both crash rate down (to certain level) and indigenous rate up (to certain level). To get there, what toll gates you will deliver next year? And the next? And in three years? (I do give you that much time!)." Next year 1, 2, and 3, all those missed targets are fired. Those who promised & delivered get every award & promotion deserved. Those who not, got as* kicked.
Who else in GoI is more entitled to do that?
Isn't that the same thing we working for private corporations has to face? So-called ACCOUNTABILITY...

 

[Blademaster]

"Buck has to stop somewhere."

ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

Dassault also needs to do MLU of their old Rafales to F4 and F5 standard. Rafale F4 production will happen in India with a dedicated MRO facility. The production plant could be later used to produce TEDBF. Do u think mrfa materialize and production to be done in India By when do u think the...

defenceforumindia.com

The only where that phrase does not work is autocracy like N Korea.
India is not N Korea.
Modi has been the PM (for 10 years). If even him can not change it, who else? God?

Raise a meeting, sitting down with top generals & MoD: "Tell me, in how many years you think you can achieve both crash rate down (to certain level) and indigenous rate up (to certain level). To get there, what toll gates you will deliver next year? And the next? And in three years? (I do give you that much time!)." Next year 1, 2, and 3, all those missed targets are fired. Those who promised & delivered get every award & promotion deserved. Those who not, got as* kicked.
Who else in GoI is more entitled to do that?
Isn't that the same thing we working for private corporations has to face? So-called ACCOUNTABILITY...

Problem is that when GoI tries to exercises accountability, these generals run to the nearest Congress MP or High Court and they look for any reason to start intefering with GoI's exercises of accountability.

 

[Azaad]

India’s Dhruv chopper needs critical safety upgrade: Panel

A government regulatory body has called for a design review of a "safety-critical system" on the Dhruv advanced light helicopter

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[vishnugupt]

Everytime aircraft crashes everybody like "Guys don't comment until official report come"

Now where are these official reports?? All In dustbin. What changes implemented?? None. Who punished? Nobody.

Why ?? Because fault lies 100% on carrom board warriors that's why they are mum otherwise they would have alleged design flaws in Su-30mki and Mirage 2000 when two carrom board warriors bailed out a intact Su-30MKI last time.

UN armed forces has history of not punishing their staff for ordinary man/machine loss. They do khanapoorti only after disasters

 

[FactsPlease]

Problem is that when GoI tries to exercises accountability, these generals run to the nearest Congress MP or High Court and they look for any reason to start intefering with GoI's exercises of accountability.

With all due respect, my response will be: then why you pick these top generals (or didn't replace them in time) who may run to CMP & HC once they need to turn in result? Put the other way, if team members are not held responsible, then the team lead is.

-- Some may say: well, most top generals are just like that. What can we do? I will say: India is not an anarchy. We do have education and personnel systems. The best way to avoid rotten apple is not to rummage thru barrels, but go to the apple tree instead. Ten years is enough to harvest new generation generals.

Buck has to stop somewhere. And it's all about commitment - to change, to move things on, to face and embrace future, instead stopping where we are. Isn't that we have been yearning for, so desperately, a determined leader?

-- below is a little too risky for me to say, as I'm not in other people's shoes: when you look around in the world, even in democracies, a PM for ten years should already hold much leverage, even in judiciary branch and legislature branch. If that's true (and I hope it is), then this "generals run to opposition party and court when held accountable" won't stop a determined leader. Again, my wish...

 

[skunk works]

Everytime aircraft crashes everybody like "Guys don't comment until official report come"

Now where are these official reports?? All In dustbin. What changes implemented?? None. Who punished? Nobody.

Why ?? Because fault lies 100% on carrom board warriors that's why they are mum otherwise they would have alleged design flaws in Su-30mki and Mirage 2000 when two carrom board warriors bailed out a intact Su-30MKI last time.

UN armed forces has history of not punishing their staff for ordinary man/machine loss. They do khanapoorti only after disasters

Safety is a meme because lives are cheap.

 

[NutCracker]

 

[Eagle Eye]

Defence will get all the resources it needs PM Modi said on Commanders conference,earlier. Hence IAF looking up MRFA import.
In 2013,mrca report says it will cost more than 20B$. Now in 2023 the cost?? What is diff betw congrass & modi Govt in this saga?

 

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