Agni V Missile

[Yusuf]

In this whole discussion, we are missing a crucial link, our ABM system

We are missing it here as its not the thread for it

 

[sayareakd]

A5 actual range is greater then 5k it can mean anything above 5k..........lol

 

[nitesh]

We are missing it here as its not the thread for it

Is this thread is about nuclear doctrine then?

 

[ashicjose]

Look like MIRV on Agni-5 placed one above another ?

 

[nitesh]

Agni V missile is road mobile missile. Previous version also are road/rail mobile. The Indian doctrine says the delivery systems are not mated with war heads.Even war heads are supposed to be in dismantled condition. Now we have heard enough noises from power corridor that India's "no first use" doctrine is against non nuclear powers, here is the link:

Did India Change its Nuclear Doctrine?: Much Ado about Nothing | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses

A recent concern has broken out amongst some analysts that India has shifted its nuclear doctrine away from no first use. The publicly released summary of India's 2003 official nuclear doctrine pledged "no first use" of nuclear weapons and an additional negative security assurance of "non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states."1 On 21 October 2010, India's National Security Advisor, Shivshankar Menon, gave a speech to the National Defence College in which the text employs the formulation that India's nuclear doctrine emphasizes "no first use against non-nuclear weapons states."2

In my view, our war heads are already in assembled condition, mated with delivery system, in ready to fire mode at a short notice, if $hit hits the fan. I don't think India will allow itself to be nuked to retaliate against psycho pakis, we are already keeping vigil on them (spy sat in orbit) apart from our intel set up. If we feel that pakis are up to some misadventure along with Chinese, we will start the Armageddon. No doubts about it.

 

[Iamanidiot]

The only way the Agni V will affect the Chinese is they have the nukes of 5 nations pointed towards them other than that not much will happen.The test is more of a political message to China

 

[nitesh]

The only way the Agni V will affect the Chinese is they have the nukes of 5 nations pointed towards them other than that not much will happen.The test is more of a political message to China

SO right no nuke is pointing towards them?

 

[Iamanidiot]

SO right no nuke is pointing towards them?

They have more nukes pointed towards them but they already are prepared for this scenario

 

[Yusuf]

Agni V missile is road mobile missile. Previous version also are road/rail mobile. The Indian doctrine says the delivery systems are not mated with war heads.Even war heads are supposed to be in dismantled condition. Now we have heard enough noises from power corridor that India's "no first use" doctrine is against non nuclear powers, here is the link:

Did India Change its Nuclear Doctrine?: Much Ado about Nothing | Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses



In my view, our war heads are already in assembled condition, mated with delivery system, in ready to fire mode at a short notice, if $hit hits the fan. I don't think India will allow itself to be nuked to retaliate against psycho pakis, we are already keeping vigil on them (spy sat in orbit) apart from our intel set up. If we feel that pakis are up to some misadventure along with Chinese, we will start the Armageddon. No doubts about it.

And i will beg to differ here. India will not go nuke first, at least as far as pakistan is concerned. In fact for Pakistan i say we should not go nuke at all even if they nuke us.

We need to devise proper military and political goals vis a vis Pak in an event of a war an if they go nuke.

 

[Iamanidiot]

And i will beg to differ here. India will not go nuke first, at least as far as pakistan is concerned. In fact for Pakistan i say we should not go nuke at all even if they nuke us.

We need to devise proper military and political goals vis a vis Pak in an event of a war an if they go nuke.

Paki nukes need Beijings orders to release the dual keys and mate warheads.Paki nukes go through Beijing first

 

[ajay_ijn]

China also says that INDIA is not correct in saying that AGNI 5 has 5000 km range and in reality AGNI 5 has 8000 km range. The Chinese are crying foul. Please bring in some facts about the correct range of AGNI 5............

7000m per sec, three stage missile, ability to launch mini-satellites. Saraswat himself stated clearly that the Agni-Vs actual range is classified.
Agni V can launch mini-satellites too

The DRDO chief, however, refused to disclose Agni V's actual range. "It is more than 5,000 km. I cannot give you the exact range. That's classified," he said. Asked whether Agni V could be described as an inter-continental ballistic missile, Saraswat said he would prefer to describe it as a long-range ballistic missile.

if Agni Vs first & second stage are pretty much equal to A3s, then the addition of third stage is being hugely underestimated. It should definitely increase the range more than 1500km over A3. I am not sure if we can compare this but Agni-Is motor similar A2s first stage but with addition of second stage, the range is increased by 300% to 2000km. the addition of third stage to two-stage missile must have similar affect because after separation of second stage, missile will be much lighter and is able to propel the RV for long time in outer atmosphere traveling longer distances than first & second stage combined.

 

[bengalraider]

As always it appears i have to be the one to throw a damper however slight into the works.
The Static launch of A5 is but part of the puzzle gentlemen , we have tested the missile but unless we test is from a cansisterised launcher from a road mobile TEL , we will not have completed the entire picture.we have yet to see the TEL or the cansisterised module.
Also the only weapon that will truly give us a really massive second strike capability will be the K4 SLBM, the K4 along with the K15 are going to be deployed with WARHEADS ATTACHED. make no mistake about it that is the reason you deploy an SSBN.

 

[nitesh]

They have more nukes pointed towards them but they already are prepared for this scenario

What is your point?

 

[Iamanidiot]

What is your point?

Please Infer it from my posts

 

[nitesh]

And i will beg to differ here. India will not go nuke first, at least as far as pakistan is concerned. In fact for Pakistan i say we should not go nuke at all even if they nuke us.

We need to devise proper military and political goals vis a vis Pak in an event of a war an if they go nuke.

You sure what you said? This statement makes me

 

[nitesh]

Please Infer it from my posts

I didn't got it, can you be kind enough to elaborate it

 

[Yusuf]

As always it appears i have to be the one to throw a damper however slight into the works.
The Static launch of A5 is but part of the puzzle gentlemen , we have tested the missile but unless we test is from a cansisterised launcher from a road mobile TEL , we will not have completed the entire picture.we have yet to see the TEL or the cansisterised module.
Also the only weapon that will truly give us a really massive second strike capability will be the K4 SLBM, the K4 along with the K15 are going to be deployed with WARHEADS ATTACHED. make no mistake about it that is the reason you deploy an SSBN.

This test was validation of "long range missile"

next couple will be cannister launched including test for MIRV.

The Chinese still dont go on hot patrols.

But yes India will mate the nukes and go on hot patrols once we have the boomers and SLBMs ready.

 

[ajay_ijn]

As always it appears i have to be the one to throw a damper however slight into the works.
The Static launch of A5 is but part of the puzzle gentlemen , we have tested the missile but unless we test is from a cansisterised launcher from a road mobile TEL , we will not have completed the entire picture.we have yet to see the TEL or the cansisterised module.
Also the only weapon that will truly give us a really massive second strike capability will be the K4 SLBM, the K4 along with the K15 are going to be deployed with WARHEADS ATTACHED. make no mistake about it that is the reason you deploy an SSBN.

you can't expect the first test of Agni-V to be from canister or Pontoon. As DRDO has repeatedly stated, future tests will include them. they are probably in the process of developing them.

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[Iamanidiot]

The Chinese still go on hot patrols.

But yes India will mate the nukes and go on hot patrols once we have the boomers and SLBMs ready.

The Chinese are yet to deploy their nukes on boomers as per OOE

It is imperative we need to define a new doctrine for Nukes on Boomers

 

[Yusuf]

You sure what you said? This statement makes me

I am dead sure mate..we dont have to nuke pakistan in return.

I will start a thread later..

Now going to pick up my new Honda Aviator.