Agni V Missile

[Apollyon]

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Also the only weapon that will truly give us a really massive second strike capability will be the K4 SLBM, the K4 along with the K15 are going to be deployed with WARHEADS ATTACHED. make no mistake about it that is the reason you deploy an SSBN.

As someone in this forum previously said ....."K-4 is a just a stop gap measure ... the real thing would be K-5" .... also India definitely understates it's Ballistic Missile Range's .... A3 has a Range of 3500Km with 2.5 tom warhead ... seriously who's gonna send a 2.5 ton warhead ...

for <500 Km - Prahar
Agni I ----- SRBM
Agni II ---- MRBM
Agni III --- IRBM
Agni V -- ICBM

and Agni IV exclusively for ASAT ...

 

[Yusuf]

The Chinese are yet to deploy their nukes on boomers as per OOE

It is imperative we need to define a new doctrine for Nukes on Boomers

Sorrry i didnt put a "dont" there.

Yes chinis dont go on hot patrols.

India will define its doctrine.. like i said earlier, i expect India to change its nuclear policy from no first use once it has adequate numbers and also good sub surface fleet with SLBMs.

 

[nitesh]

As always it appears i have to be the one to throw a damper however slight into the works.
The Static launch of A5 is but part of the puzzle gentlemen , we have tested the missile but unless we test is from a cansisterised launcher from a road mobile TEL , we will not have completed the entire picture.we have yet to see the TEL or the cansisterised module.
Also the only weapon that will truly give us a really massive second strike capability will be the K4 SLBM, the K4 along with the K15 are going to be deployed with WARHEADS ATTACHED. make no mistake about it that is the reason you deploy an SSBN.

It was launched from TEL Agni Sakshi, but without canister

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Agni Sakshi: 50-tonne home-grown missile launcher, the real unsung hero

 

[Apollyon]

This test was validation of "long range missile"

next couple will be cannister launched including test for MIRV.

The Chinese still NOT go on hot patrols.

But yes India will mate the nukes and go on hot patrols once we have the boomers and SLBMs ready.

Corrected it for you .... :thumb:

 

[nitesh]

I am dead sure mate..we dont have to nuke pakistan in return.

I will start a thread later..

Now going to pick up my new Honda Aviator.

All the best for you new machine

But still I don't get it. I think you are mixing the political goal in this discussion

 

[bengalraider]

It was launched from TEL Agni Sakshi, but without canister

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Agni Sakshi: 50-tonne home-grown missile launcher, the real unsung hero

The Agni Sakshi is simply the erector launcher for this to become a full fledged TEL we have yet to do some work in preparing a MAZ like all terrain platform on which a cansisterised version of the Agni Sakshi can be installed, that transporter is again a key piece of the puzzle we lack.

 

[nitesh]

The Agni Sakshi is simply the erector launcher for this to become a full fledged TEL we have yet to do some work in preparing a MAZ like all terrain platform on which a cansisterised version of the Agni Sakshi can be installed, that transporter is again a key piece of the puzzle we lack.

Sorry, I got confused. But do we really need MAZ type vehicles? I don't think we have Siberian forests to hide our missiles

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"It's a highly mobile platform that can be used for launching different types of missiles. It can be used to launch canister missiles and comes in road and rail mobile models. Its extremely high mobility makes the execution time (erection or installation) lesser," Saraswat said.

 

[bengalraider]

This test was validation of "long range missile"

next couple will be cannister launched including test for MIRV.

The Chinese still dont go on hot patrols.

But yes India will mate the nukes and go on hot patrols once we have the boomers and SLBMs ready.

The only reason the Chinese do not go on Hot Patrols is that there is no admiral in the PLAN who is stupid enough to believe that the type 092 or the type 094 has any chance of making it to a launch in case of any conflict. China's real second strike capability lies in it's immense fleet of cansisterised road mobile missiles that can travel far and wide across the country while still under the PLA's protection.

 

[ajay_ijn]

Lets give them more credit, they are not only going to bomb BARC, they will have some idea atleast about some nuke secret storage installations and ofcourse the bases of our Missile Brigades. This is the biggest problem of a land based Second Strike option, Arihant will change it to some extent.
We have to assume, that they we will have the capability to take out atleast 30-35% of our nukes on various stages ( duds, attack on nuke installations and ABM),
If you are saying we need 250 bombs, then we should have atleast 750 with us.
US and Soviet Union was of the opinion that they would not be able to use 1/5th of their arsenal. Therefore the 5000 nukes etc.

Although SLBM is perfect second srtike option. I really want to know how easy it is to search & locate a mobile missile launcher, assuming it can travel across rails, highways over the entire country from J&K to Tamil Nadu assuming India can make hundreds or probably thousands of decoys looking exactly similar to missile launcher and use advanced techniques to mask the the missile launchers from satellites & spy planes.
if Satellites and Spy Planes are even able to locate the real launcher, there is no certainty that launchers will be staying at same place until enemy can analyse images, plan their attack and execute it.

infact india should manufacture decoys and mask the actual launchers to make it look like commercial transport vehicles.

 

[bengalraider]

Sorry, I got confused. But do we really need MAZ type vehicles? I don't think we have Siberian forests to hide our missiles

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the road mobile model is the one you see being towed behind an Ashok leyland hippo in the republic day parades!
by MAZ i meant a real cross country platform that can be utililized to hide our missiles in the middle of our countryside whether they be hidden in the coniferous cold jungles of meghalaya or the swampy wetlands of the sunderbans.this my dear friend is not something out present platform can do.

 

[ajay_ijn]

the road mobile model is the one you see being towed behind an Ashok leyland hippo in the republic day parades!
by MAZ i meant a real cross country platform that can be utililized to hide our missiles in the middle of our countryside whether they be hidden in the coniferous cold jungles of meghalaya or the swampy wetlands of the sunderbans.this my dear friend is not something out present platform can do.

oh, if we are able to hide our launchers in jungles, swamps, it will be as good as SSBNs romaing silent in huge oceans. but how will a vehicle carrying 50 ton, 17m missile be made to travel in jungles.

 

[arkem8]

oh, if we are able to hide our launchers in jungles, swamps, it will be as good as SSBNs romaing silent in huge oceans. but how will a vehicle carrying 50 ton, 17m missile be made to travel in jungles.

No they will never be the same...

SLBM's are far superior as far as stealth is concerned, look at Uncle Sam and his poodle Briturds..

 

[bengalraider]

oh, if we are able to hide our launchers in jungles, swamps, it will be as good as SSBNs romaing silent in huge oceans. but how will a vehicle carrying 50 ton, 17m missile be made to travel in jungles.

The video below should answer you question
[video=youtube_share;KV9XkjjkuKs]http://youtu.be/KV9XkjjkuKs[/video]

 

[ajay_ijn]

The video below should answer you question
http://youtu.be/KV9XkjjkuKs

it will be so difficult to locate such missile system. will be gr8 if we are able to develop one.

 

[ajay_ijn]

on an offtopic note if Shourya is replacing Agni-I, A4 is replacing A2. Then it will leave a huge gap between 3500km Agni-4 and 700km Shourya. I always thought of 1500km to 2000km ranged missile carrying 1 to 1.5 ton two-staged missile, road mobile canisterized, shorter compared to long A2. At 1500km to 2000km we can cover much of chinese bases in tibet , specially those airbases hosting their flankers and much of the support infrastructure in tibet critical for China to start a full-scale border conflict with India. Such tibet-specific missile carrying convetional warheads/tactical nuclear combined with 1000km ranged nirbhay will be great.

 

[nitesh]

the road mobile model is the one you see being towed behind an Ashok leyland hippo in the republic day parades!
by MAZ i meant a real cross country platform that can be utililized to hide our missiles in the middle of our countryside whether they be hidden in the coniferous cold jungles of meghalaya or the swampy wetlands of the sunderbans.this my dear friend is not something out present platform can do.

Got it, some how I feel we will not be developing such thing, I think this road mobile system will disappear in to our road networks. I guess that is sufficient for us

 

[nitesh]

on an offtopic note if Shourya is replacing Agni-I, A4 is replacing A2. Then it will leave a huge gap between 3500km Agni-4 and 700km Shourya. I always thought of 1500km to 2000km ranged missile carrying 1 to 1.5 ton two-staged missile, road mobile canisterized, shorter compared to long A2. At 1500km to 2000km we can cover much of chinese bases in tibet , specially those airbases hosting their flankers and much of the support infrastructure in tibet critical for China to start a full-scale border conflict with India. Such tibet-specific missile carrying convetional warheads/tactical nuclear combined with 1000km ranged nirbhay will be great.

No, once a BM is launched all bets are off, I don't think we will be using BM to take out the air bases, that would be taken care by air launched Brahmos I think

 

[ashicjose]

http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/maz-547/maz-547-02.jpg

 

[ajay_ijn]

No, once a BM is launched all bets are off, I don't think we will be using BM to take out the air bases, that would be taken care by air launched Brahmos I think

thats exactly what i am talking of. Its meant to deter the enemy with such consequences that they won't even think of staring border conflict. with china building infrastructure along the border & in tibet, deploying DF-21s, a BM specific for chinese miltary in tibet will be befitting response.

 

[Yusuf]

Welcome to the world of nuclear ICBM. It just does not work that way.
A whole unit of about a 1000 men is required for a ballistic missile battery. Support vehicles for them. And then you make roads that lead to nowhere. You cannot cross cross the missiles on normal highways.

This is what the US and Russian intelligence did for years. They looked for garbage! 1000 men create garbage. Garbage in the middle of nowhere was an indication of an ICBM battery in the area and that is how they prepared for first strike if it was required.

The cost is going to rise up for India as far as maintaining nuclear missiles goes. But it's something that has to be done.