Agni V Missile

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Not essentially. What you are stating is what Chinese are saying which is bullshit. Did you know the US technology to take man to the space is based on the old roman 2 horsed chariot?


Read to the end, it is interesting.



Man, that post is a gem. Very nice and well written, well researched, and yes, I agree, because I know this to be true except that tunnel in Utah part, which I learnt from you today. If you can, though, add some citations or links. For me, personally, it is authentic.

Thanks for posting!
 

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Agni V MRIVed will look like this.












Without the welds.

So like this



Different heat shield.
 

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welcome sir, hope you liked the presentation
 

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^^

It is amazing. Very well researched, concise, succinct, and easy for any high school pass-out to understand.
 

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what the ................ :D

On a par with China, India didn't inform neighbour about launch

India did not formally inform China about the launch of its intermediate-range ballistic missile Agni-5 from the Odisha coast yesterday, although it did notify all the other big powers about the event. According to government officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, China was the only permanent member of the UN Security Council that Delhi did not speak to about the launch.

In fact, in the wake of the highly successful test that makes India the only developing country on a par with other missile powers like the US, China, Russia and France, and brings most of China under its radar, the ministry of external affairs continues to deliberately down-play the event. The Agni-V launch finds no mention at all on its website.

The officials pointed out that a general notice to marine traffic (NOTAM) had been issued and certainly with the Indian media widely talking about it, "there was nothing secret about the launch of the Agni-5."

Delhi's refusal to beat its chest is part of its recent pragmatic approach to foreign and security affairs, borrowed from the Deng Xiaoping school of thought, that it should keep its head down while pursuing a goal of making India a country to be reckoned with, which includes the maintenance of high economic growth.

According to Srikanth Kondapalli, professor of Chinese studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, "Even if you have hundreds of Agni-5 missiles, the fact is that a nuclear weapon is a political weapon, it is a deterrent, it is never going to be used. However, the successful launch of the missile demonstrates to the Chinese that if you cross the red lines, India will have to think twice."

That is why, government officials said, Delhi would continue to engage with the Chinese government as if it were business as usual. "The Chinese respect strength. We are not here to poke each other in the eye, but to continue to engage as equals," one official said.

The officials, who said they were happy that missile man and Defence Research and Development Organisation chief V K Saraswat had been much more restrained in his reactions this time, noted he had said the Agni-5 needed a couple of more validation tests.

Over the next three months, Indian and Chinese officials and experts will meet on three occasions to talk about diverse issues, from a conversation on trans-border rivers and consular matters, as well as a maritime dialogue in which everything from deep sea mining to keeping the Indian Ocean lanes secure and free for trade traffic.

The decision to keep the Chinese engaged flows from the highest echelons, from none other than National Security Adviser Shivshanker Menon, former foreign secretary and China hand. At the same time, Delhi has decided to ramp up its engagement with the US and Japan, both powers keenly interested in the rise of the East Asian power.

Only a few days ago, US pointperson on China Kurt Campbell concluded a dialogue on East Asia with his Indian counterpart in the MEA, Gautam Bambawale. Both sides discussed a range of issues from Myanmar to the failed North Korean missile test to the transition of power in Beijing this year.

The US, of course, describes its interest in Asia as a "strategic pivot," while India, much more reticent, prefers the 'Look East' umbrella designation.

Besides the East Asia dialogue, now in its fifth round and having lasted more than two years, and in which officials from the ministry of defence, as well as the National Security Council Secretariat participate, the deepening India-US engagement can be seen in the upcoming trialogue with Japan, slated for next week in Tokyo.

No wonder US State Department spokesperson Mark Toner said he wasn't surprised by India's Agni-5 test launch, admitting the US had known beforehand. India has a solid non-proliferation record, Toner added, and engages with the international community on non-proliferation issues, in what amounted to a thinly-veiled endorsement of India's missile test.

Russia's Pravda newspaper, once the official organ of the state but now privately owned, noted that India was now 'capable of striking Beijing and Shanghai,' while Germany's Deutsche Welle news-site described the Indian military as making "strategic strides."

The international reaction was in sharp contrast to the angry positions taken by some of the Chinese media, notably the Global Times, widely stated to reflect the more nationalist as well as righteous positions mostly articulated in China's powerful People's Liberation Army (PLA).

A cartoon in the Global Times, illustrated by Liu Rui and called 'Fire from the Sky,' probably best captures this nationalist mood. The cartoon depicts a missile with the Indian flag on it that has crash-landed on an ocean bed, while a startled mermaid is busy protecting sundry whales and other ocean life.

Kondapalli noted that the official Chinese reaction to India's missile test was fully restrained and mature (both countries are "emerging powers, we are not rivals, we are cooperative partners," said spokesman Liu Weimin) and described the contradiction as the "turbulence of a rising country."

At a time of shifting power equations in Beijing, the Communist Party of China's general secretary-designate Xi Jinping, as well as outgoing general secretary Hu Jintao, will be the only two civilians in China's all-powerful Central Military Commission, Kondapalli said, pointing out that China's generals will continue to dominate a section of the rhetoric for some time to come.

The PLA is believed to have its own ballistic missile programme and is said to have considerably aided both Pakistan and North Korea in the creation of their own missile programmes. That is why the failure of the recent North Korean missile launch is "so interesting," the anonymous Indian officials said.

But they also admitted that India should look carefully at the patronising tone adopted by newspapers such as the Global Times, instead of dismissing them out of hand.

In a widely-quoted article called 'India being swept up by missile delusion,' the newspaper said, "China understands the Indian desire to catch up with China. China, as the most appropriate strategic target for India, is willing to take India as a peaceful competitor.

Adding: "Due to historical reasons, China and India are sensitive toward each other. But objectively speaking, China does not spend much time guarding against India, while India focuses a lot of attention on China. China hopes India will remain calm, as this would be beneficial to both giants."
 

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India is sending out a message. The message is that PRC should not be a PMoUNSCwV, and that India is just behind PRC and is poised to catch up any time in the foreseeable future, and that India does not give a tuppence about what PRC thinks, and that PRC's importance to India is insignificant. Whether intentional or otherwise, this message is going out, and I am pretty damn happy about it!

Great going!


PMoUNSCwV - Permanent Member of UN Security Council with Veto
 

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Now the initial rhetoric is gone, the diplomacy will take over, the good thing about this test is the political gamble we have taken before the test, need to give the credit to the decision makers where it is due, guess this is the first time we have such a publicity before launch, almost like a trailer of bolly wood film before release. It means that every one involved was sure of success. By any chance if the test could have been failed, we could have heard the ridicule reaching the highest decibel levels.
 

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British Reaction to Agni-5 test

Unlike some of the less generous comments one gets to see at British newspaper comment columns, at ARRSE, such patronizing comments are fewer and further between. I'll share some with you all:

This one is very relevant w.r.t. relevance of the P5:
Maybe we should allocate a few to each and every member of the UN, all fair and square, and might stop a fair bit of squabbling. Long debate with a chum today about the relevance of the 5 permanent members of the Security council, why are they still there and why those five? Plenty of other Nuke club who, it could be argued, have a greater stake and influence in world politics and economics.
Bokka

Logically you are right. The 5 permanent members of the UN doesnt bear much scrutiny now, but politically not one would surrender the membership without being humiliated both nationally and internationally.

Picture this ... Mr Cameron goes on TV and says that UK does not really have the clout to be a permanent member of the UN and renounces the position. How long do you think he would remain in office, no matter how logical the decision may be?
These comments came across as reasonable and empathetic to India's PoV:
Except that India seems to have forborne rather well. It's been a democracy for the period concerned (apart from the state of emergency, 75-77), and not a military dictatorship.

I'm not aware of Indian commandos being infiltrated into Pakistan-Administered Kashmir to start a fight, or India training up fanatics and shipping them over the border to cause trouble. Or even (as the Pakistan Air Force tried in 1971) have they tried to refight the Six-Day War and made an arse of it.

Granted, the BJP do seem a tad chippy (understatement); while the VHP and RSS appear to be a right bunch. I wouldn't compare the Golden Temple with Jallianwalla Bagh...
I don't know where I read this recently, but IIRC the article stated that the current range has been designed to deliberately exclude the "friendly" capitals of the western world (so as to soften them, I suppose), while at the same time addressing all the current threats (perceived or otherwise) of India.

But, my take on it is, India seems like a decent and responsible nation surrounded by not exactly the most friendly nations, it's well within her rights to defend herself.
Okey doke.

Let's remind ourselves about the Indian defence industry, in that case - and reflect on the sovereign capability they have; locally produced fighters, MBTs, artillery systems and now IRBMs, to mention just a few big ticket items. Let's also consider the developing Indian strategic capability - to project force abroad and sustain it. It's pretty clear where the Indians see their strategic interest as lying, not just in terms of resources or actual strategic threats like the PRC or Pakistan, there are indications that they're looking at the Indian diaspora and considering how to go about protecting that, as well.

Given that someone has to be the Big Dog in the Indian Ocean and that the USN will probably not be there in 50 years' time, I'd a damn sight rather that a pragmatic democracy like India takes the role than any of the other candidates.
 

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A very interesting debate on India, China and nukes.

[video]http://www.myvidster.com/video/5299261/All-star_panel_on_India_China_nukes[/video]

India is not Britain...it's not going to be the global lieutenant of the US...:rotflmao:
 

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A very interesting debate on India, China and nukes.

[video]http://www.myvidster.com/video/5299261/All-star_panel_on_India_China_nukes[/video]
would u be kind of enough to highlight brief summary of the debate?
 

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That video link does not play on iPhone :(
 

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India is not Britain, who is global lieutenant :rofl:
 

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A very interesting debate on India, China and nukes.

[video]http://www.myvidster.com/video/5299261/All-star_panel_on_India_China_nukes[/video]

India is not Britain...it's not going to be the global lieutenant of the US...:rotflmao:
Another nice comment: "They don't like to be Britain, but they do like to be France!" :lol:
 

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very old but rare pic i got, saw this years ago hope it will be relevant for discussion.

since the rail carriage is same.

 

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@UK you asked the question as to how Agni missile without fins guide after take off i saw the pic few days ago, as and when i find it i will post the same. so you have to wait for it.
 

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who is that lady ?? what's her name? .. what country does she belong to?

that bitch thinks that only her country can have such capabilities. she got real issues with India

:bplease:
opinions are like a$$ hole, everyone has got one
 

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