Agni V Missile

[rock127]

Do you think USA dont have targetting solutions for India, right now. They do from the late 80's

USA wont care, because they have already accounted for us to be able to target them in the near future. They know, they cannot stop a country like India from attaining such a milestone, so why will they waste diplomatic capital on it, they already have a military counter measure for us and mind you, they are in a different league.

India has to get out of the blabbering idiot, Pakistani centric non aligned small country diatribe.

India has to be very very crafty, Look at how China played in the 70's and 80's and learn. And look at how China messed up post 2008, and learn from it.

China is COMMUNIST and US is against COMMUNISM historically.
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India is the biggest democracy.It's highly unlikely that India would be a security threat to US because of vested economic and military intrests.

 

[Yusuf]

That the US has not said anything negative about the test and kind of tacitly supports the test is testament to the fact that we are on the same page. It suits the US to have India engage China or make it look over its shoulders. We really dont need to target the US. We have talked about this forever.

 

[HeinzGud]

apart from being to increase the range, road mobilization can vastly increase the agni's effectiveness and stealthiness....

 

[Mad Indian]

Agni-V will be operational in 2 years - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: India's new long range missile, capable of delivering a nuclear warhead anywhere in China, will be operational within two years, its developers said Friday, a day after the weapon's maiden test.

The state-run Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which built the Agni-V, also rejected the prospect of India "capping" its missile programme just because it had now had a weapon with an intercontinental reach.

"We will carry out two more tests of Agni-V which will take about one-and-a-half years, and after that the production of the missile will commence and we will start handing it over to the military," DRDO chief VK Saraswat said.

"When it reaches the military they will start training and so a maximum time of two years is needed to operationalise Agni-V," he told reporters.

India successfully tested the Agni-V, which has a range of 5,000 kilometres (3,100 miles) and could potentially hit targets in Europe, on Thursday, triggering an outpouring of national pride.

With its ability to strike across the Chinese mainland, the missile is seen as marking a significant upgrade of India's nuclear deterrent. :taunt1:

India and China, each with a population of more than one billion, have prickly relations and a legacy of mistrust that stems from a brief but bloody border war in 1962.

Saraswat, who described Thursday's test as "textbook perfect," rejected suggestions that the Agni-V meant India had achieved its regional strategic objectives and so had no need of more powerful, even longer-range missiles.

"Our development needs are based upon today's threats and also evolving threats," he said.

"And so there is no question of capping any programme because we will always have an evolving threat which will require different classes of systems."

Agni, which means "fire" in Sanskrit, is the name given to a series of rockets India developed as part of its ambitious integrated guided missile development project launched in 1983.

India's shorter-range Agni I and II were developed with traditional rival Pakistan in mind, while the later versions reflect a shift in India's focus towards China

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IF they can really achieve what they claim to achieve- then another for DRDO

 

[Yusuf]

Agni II may well be decommissioned in about 5 years once we start production of A5 and and build sufficient numbers along with the A3. Or the production at least will be stopped.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

USA wont care, because they have already accounted for us to be able to target them in the near future. They know, they cannot stop a country like India from attaining such a milestone, so why will they waste diplomatic capital on it, they already have a military counter measure for us and mind you, they are in a different league.

I think that is a good point. India would need to have SLBM capability to be in that league, is what I think you are saying.

 

[Ray]

We have to fire it a couple of more times before it acquires the operational status.

US will not stop India and of that there is no doubt. However, it is not because it does not have an stopping power, but because it is in the US interest that India is capable of becoming a bulwark to China.

 

[sayareakd]

why agni 5 have no wings? without wings how does it maneuver?

can you see the pic on the right side which is A3 it has small booster motors on the RV, you can see the yellow circle on RV that will give directional thrust to the RV. Same would be for the A5 that is why it has more wealding on RV (as shown in numbers)

Shot at 2012-04-18


here this pic will show it clearly how it works.

 

[utubekhiladi]

can you see the pic on the right side which is A3 it has small booster motors on the RV, you can see the yellow circle on RV that will give directional thrust to the RV. Same would be for the A5 that is why it has more wealding on RV (as shown in numbers)

Shot at 2012-04-18


here this pic will show it clearly how it works.

but how does the missile maneuver when it is still in earth's atmosphere or right after the take-off when all stages are still attached?

 

[A chauhan]

@utk

This should help you - Yusuf's post :- http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...agni-v-missile-test-launch-57.html#post475668 #846

 

[LETHALFORCE]

but how does the missile maneuver when it is still in earth's atmosphere or right after the take-off when all stages are still attached?

a lot of the manuevering is controlled by the laser ring gyroscope that me
and Saya posted pics of earlier. Laser ring gyroscopes are also used in war
planes including our own sukhois.

 

[Yusuf]

a lot of the manuevering is controlled by the laser ring gyroscope that me
and Saya posted pics of earlier.

RLGs help only in navigation. Does not help in any maneuvering as such, but the maneuvering is because of the input from the RLG.

Ballistic missiles have no "guidance" and as such are not maneuverable. The launch itself hurls it towards the target.

The MIRVs can be subtly maneuvered using small rockets motors.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

True RLG's will not do more than a navigation function. A huge missile
flying MACH 15+ would not make a drastic manuevers or turns or it would
rip itself apart. Any guidance necessary is usually in the boost phase.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/missile/icbm.htm

Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles

The missile can only be guided during boost phase with inertial or stellar or both. Inertial guidance uses onboard computer driven gyroscopes to determine the missile's position and compares this to the targeting information fed into the computer before launch.

 

[trackwhack]

after reentry there is not much chance of maneuvering or course correction. The THAAD system is based on this assumption. I cannot recall what is the speed cutoff they assume when the RV trajectory is locked but once is enters the mesosphere (around 100km) the atmospheric density is enough to destroy the RV if it tries for course correction beyond that threshold speed.

Though the THAAD system is designed to reach altitudes of 140km, the operational altitude is just under 100 km, i.e. mesosphere. The logic was that the trajectory of the incoming warhead wont change after it enters the mesosphere.

also limited course maneuvering options is also another reason for decoy warheads.

 

[JAISWAL]

No cap on Agni missile project: India

New Delhi: Buoyed by the success of its long-range Agni-V ballistic missile test, India on Friday said it will not "cap" its three-decade-old programme and continue to develop more missiles in the series with modern, latest technologies.

Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) Director General Dr VK Saraswat told a press conference in New Delhi a day after the successful testing of the 5,000-km-range missile that can hit targets deep inside China, including Beijing, that the nuclear-capable weapon was "a game changer" for the country.

"There is no question of capping the Agni programme," Saraswat said here, when asked if it was time to say the programme is over now that the DRDO has achieved a long-range deterrence capability to meet its threats from the immediate neighbourhood.

"Our missile development programme is based on today's, current and evolving threats. Evolving threats will continue to drive our future needs for platforms and weapons," he said, refusing to predict what could be the range of the futuristic Agni series and whether it will go beyond 10,000-km range.

However, the modern technologies such as anti-satellite, putting satellite in orbit on demand, and multiple independently targettable re-entry vehicle (MIRV) would be part of the Agni-series missiles in the future.

China has an inter-continental ballistic missile Dong Feng-31A that can reach targets 11,500-km away and it has in February 2007 proved its anti-satellite capability to hit targets in space.

The MIRV technology provides a ballistic missile to carry multiple war heads that can be directed at different targets during flight.

He clarified that the future Agni missile has not been named "Agni-VI' as has been speculated in a section of the media.

For anti-satellite capability, Saraswat said Agni-V has provided India the necessary velocity and range to reach the needed altitudes.

But its all about having the guidance capability to direct the warhead towards the intended target in space and whether we want to destroy it, for which a 'kill vehicle' is needed, or just disrupt the satellite's functioning.

However, he clarified that India is "a peace-loving' nation that does not approve or favour weaponisation of space.

The satellite-on-demand capability would help India to place mini- and micro-satellites in orbit if its other major satellites are disrupted or damaged during wartime. These micro-satellites would have a six-month to a year life and could be used for global positioning, navigation and other purposes for a short period of time.

Considering the assessment of threat to India in its neighbourhood, Saraswat said, "there is no harm in saying Agni-V is a game-changer, as it has taken us to a much higher pedestal and has added new dimension to our strategic defence."

He also said that the successful Agni-V test has provided him "happiness, satisfaction and excitement" and has been a "dream come true" for the defence scientists community of the country.

The DRDO chief also noted that Indian ballistic missiles "are second to none" and in particular, Agni-V, Agni-IV and Agni-II "are 21st century missiles."

"I have no doubt our missile technology is on par with the best in the world."
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No cap on Agni missile project: India - India News - IBNLive

 

[rock127]

I think that is a good point. India would need to have SLBM capability to be in that league, is what I think you are saying.

An SLBM upto range 3500kms should be the next step.

 

[pmaitra]

An SLBM upto range 3500kms should be the next step.

Miles you mean, right?

3500 miles ~ 5500 or 5600 km is the boundary that separates an IRBM from an ICBM.

 

[panduranghari]

apart from being to increase the range, road mobilization can vastly increase the agni's effectiveness and stealthiness....

Not essentially. What you are stating is what Chinese are saying which is bullshit. Did you know the US technology to take man to the space is based on the old roman 2 horsed chariot?


Read to the end, it is interesting.

The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number.
Why was that gauge used?
Because that's the way they built them inEngland and English expatriates designed the US railroads.

Why did the English build them like that?
Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways and that's the gauge they used.
Why did 'they' use that gauge then?
Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they had used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing?
Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England , because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.
So who built those old rutted roads?
Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (including England ) for their legions. Those roads have been used ever since.
And the ruts in the roads?
Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels.
Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome , they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. Therefore the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot. Bureaucracies live forever.

The next time you are handed a specification/procedure/process and wonder 'What horse's ass came up with this?', you may be exactly right. Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends of two war horses. (Two horses' butts.)

Now - the twist to the story:
A Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad has two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at a factory in Utah .

Engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains, and the SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds.

So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system, was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass.
And you thought being a horse's ass wasn't important.
Ancient horse's asses control almost everything.
CURRENT horse's asses in Washington are controlling everything else.

 

[rock127]

Miles you mean, right?

3500 miles ~ 5500 or 5600 km is the boundary that separates an IRBM from an ICBM.

I meant a 3500kms missile for submarine or simply the K-4 , for now we got only 700km one and it's not enough.

 

[pmaitra]

^^

Oh ok, I see. Thanks for the clarification.