Arjun Mk1A
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Well since we are talking about Congress. There will be one middle man who will earn a fat cheque. On tracking him he will send some money to someone related to Sonia and Co.
Did the UPA negotiations even come close to a deal for the 126 fighter jets? You don't have to take my word for it. Here is what the Supreme court said when Congress & it's cohorts challenged the Rafale deal.If the Opposition voice was more powerful then they would have forced Modi to go with 126 Rafales in whatever way conceivable. Rafale was not selected by Modi, but by UPA time.
All the opposition politicians care about kickbacks. I believe corruption has taken place in Rafale before 2016. French firms are notorious for corruption. And unfortunately Modi is protecting that corruption cos he has no option. If he starts to investigate that, we have to stop orders for Dassault.
But that’s an another matter altogether. There is no decent debate on defence preparedness in Parliament, that should have forced the govt to do something.
Forget about going back. First reading my post “properly” would have made sense in the first place. G2G deal was signed in 2016. I said corruption may have taken place before 2016 and money paid to middleman even if IAF had wanted Rafale. Dassault and French firms are famous for corruption. An case has been opened in French courts of Dassault had paid any middleman any money. But it was before 2016 and Modi’Did the UPA negotiations even come close to a deal for the 126 fighter jets? You don't have to take my word for it. Here is what the Supreme court said when Congress & it's cohorts challenged the Rafale deal.
“The need for the aircraft is not in doubt. The quality of the aircraft is not in question. It is also a fact that the long negotiations for procurement of 126 MMRCAs have not produced any result, and merely conjecturing that the initial RFP could have resulted in a contract is of no use,” the court had said."
Regarding the nos. India could have gone for 126 jets if it had the cash, after all according to the CAG report submitted to Rajya Sabha the price was 2.86% cheaper.
Also, can you educate us on how one gets kickbacks in a Govt to Govt deal with no middleman? BTW, the SC also gave a ruling on the selection of an Indian partner as well. So unless you have some inside info. in this matter, your inferences are allegations and nothing more.![]()
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Ada said by end of next year or first quarter of 25So what is the current status of MWF? The metal cutting had started in February of 2021. The first prototype is being fabricated as we speak, so when can see a rollout? I think by next year or 2025, if they push it any further, then I am gonna be pissed. If MMRCA gets scrapped like it's predecessor then we are gonna see mass orders for Tejas Mk-2s, just a while back the Indian Airforce placed an order for additional 100 Tejas MK-1As, showcasing their confidence in the platform, the same can be expected from the IAF on MK-2. Sincerely wishes for the same, I as I want to lay my eyes on her when she first rolls out!![]()
First of all, learn to be civil. I can also call you choice words laced with expletives and you won't like any of that. All this could have, should have has nothing to do with facts. Modi Govt's stand is for everybody to see, they want to buy indigenous stuff even if it takes time. The list of what one can't import is steadily increasing. This is an indirect way of messaging the military that other than a few strategic stuff these are your choices. If you want good stuff work with the indigenous vendors, improve them & eventually buy from them. Now, whether it expands or limits one's capabilities is for the military to decide.Forget about going back. First reading my post “properly” would have made sense in the first place. G2G deal was signed in 2016. I said corruption may have taken place before 2016 and money paid to middleman even if IAF had wanted Rafale. Dassault and French firms are famous for corruption. An case has been opened in French courts of Dassault had paid any middleman any money. But it was before 2016 and Modi’
It’s what I would call “STUPID” post. I never said UPA concluded the deal for 126. I said the Opposition should have forced the govt to go for 126 Rafales instead of 36. That’s what an responsible opposition in any country would have done. But since they are silent, Modi govt is silent on expanding IAF or IN capabilities not giving orders for completed projects .
Oh God!!!!
Understand the difference between calling someone “stupid” and calling a “stupid” post. I never get personal or have abused someone on this forum.First of all, learn to be civil. I can also call you choice words laced with expletives and you won't like any of that. All this could have, should have has nothing to do with facts. Modi Govt's stand is for everybody to see, they want to buy indigenous stuff even if it takes time. The list of what one can't import is steadily increasing. This is an indirect way of messaging the military that other than a few strategic stuff these are your choices. If you want good stuff work with the indigenous vendors, improve them & eventually buy from them. Now, whether it expands or limits one's capabilities is for the military to decide.
2025 first flight, 2028 full introduction. Only 3-4 years test flight/development, very ambitious and optimistic: adding the canard is a huge change.
Fed up with DRDO timelines. Hearning about Tejas mk2 for last many years. The canard thing in Tejas also a decade old i guess.Not ambitious or optimistic, but it's the same typical sarkari attitude of "Lets give early timeline for now, we'll see afterwards".
They have been doing this for seven decades, there zero accountability on ADA/HAL and IAF's part.
So yeah funds being recieved now
As always intentional sabotage or peak incompetence is impossible to discern but the end result is the same
IAF are brochure babies, reality is hitting them across the face but they are still refusing to take the medicineIAF is divided in 2 parts, one wants a medium weight LCA and others don't see any application of MK2 in 5th gen era(as Shiv Aroor once said). But the recent experience of South Korea with F35 jet shows that 5th gen jet are good for special missions and not economical for regular air patrolling. You need a 4.5 gen jet with low maintenance cost and turn around time for doing the daily job. With limited airborne time of LCA MK1 it'll be turned into a dedicated interceptor and MRFA/MK2 will take over the patrolling duties.
MK2 has started making it's mark amongst the IAF team & MoD, we may see some proactive steps in near future.
Modi's delays will cost India dearly in wars. Mk2 was needed 5 years back, but its yet to roll out!
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