ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[flanker99]

Forget about Saurav Jha, but HVT sir also hinted about lack of funds

True saurav jha might have been exaggerating a bit but so far his updates on tejas mk2 has been correct...from the above post we can see that the earlier sanctioned money covers only 2 jets but the plans are to manufacture 4 for testing iirc,this late sanctioning of funds will definitely affect timeline adversely.
But im really surprised that ada ,hal,drdo pulled off tejas mk2 with the measly amount of money...despite their habit of missing timeline ..no one can make jets this cheaply ...barring maybe china

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I think with the pace at which their own projects work - and the cutting sanctions on their high-technology industries - the Su-75 is safely out of the picture for the next 10-20 years for export. And if it is exported, then the only thing it will be able to do is fly parades. Personally I think the Su-75 has 0 future at all.

Let your thinking come true and AMCA be the only 5th gen aircraft in service of IAF and IN.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Typical rhetoric and bias. Imagination is being served as a truth. A typical hallmark of Liberandu-Sickulars.

As per you
IAF is Liberandu-Sickulars
IN is Liberandu-Sickulars
CAG is Liberandu-Sickulars



Typical post from a Russophile.
Attack the messenger on basis of religious and/or cultural ground in a thread and post that require technical counter.

 

[karn]

True saurav jha might have been exaggerating a bit but so far his updates on tejas mk2 has been correct...from the above post we can see that the earlier sanctioned money covers only 2 jets but the plans are to manufacture 4 for testing iirc,this late sanctioning of funds will definitely affect timeline adversely.
But im really surprised that ada ,hal,drdo pulled off tejas mk2 with the measly amount of money...despite their habit of missing timeline ..no one can make jets this cheaply ...barring maybe china

I think the truth about this funding is somewhere in between .. the entire exercise of completing the design also cost right ? They had to rent American wind tunnels etc . Most of that 2500 cr probably got eaten up for these activities even before the prototype stage.

 

[abingdonboy]

Remember, I said, fund shortness for MWF is a propaganda, a scam by usual suspect. I also said that fund for 2 MWF prototype has already been allocated decade ago which has shown here as a figure of 2500crs.

Truth is always visible even through the dark but most people often choose to look other way.

S.Jha already cleared that up- the funds used till now for MK.2 were part of the FSED funds given for MK.1

 

[abingdonboy]

IAF could order more than 210 LCA Mk-2 fighters in the long term, said the second official.

Govt clears LCA-Mk2 fighter’s development

The government has sanctioned around ₹10,000 crore for the project, and the LCA Mk-2 is likely to take first flight in two years officials, familiar with developments said.

www.hindustantimes.com

Unless they are on record it doesn’t mean anything, in fact even if they are it doesn’t mean anything. The previous CAS said 201 MK.2, now they are talking about 126 publicly.

for as long as MRFA is there that will be their priority

 

[abingdonboy]

Development includes flight trials, IOC, FOC, LSP, etc as well.

2027 Tejas MK 2 is handed over to IAF. 2028 first squadron is commissioned into IAF just as first Jaguar / Mig 29 squadron gets number plated.

2027-8 is when it will be ready for production (if everything goes well). Lead times for production will be 12+ months at the very very least, remember LCA MK.1A will still be in production come 2029 so HAL will have to get firm commitments to start making capacity early on otherwise delivery will be delayed

 

[abingdonboy]

The tech transfer is generally helpful for HAL and other DRDO labs to get their hands on manufacturing know-how that they otherwise lack. Jaguar ToT took HAL's manufacturing to a much higher degree than the production of MiGs did. Then Su-30MKI took them to a notch higher, but it was still below Western standards for 4th gen fighters. HAL still does overhauls for all Mirage-2000s, and it is the only OEM outside of Dassault that is certified for the same. HAL engineers learn from all these things.

But the biggest learning has no doubt been the Tejas program. The Tejas assembly line is completely indigenous and with it, HAL has jumped several notches to a point where they are not that far behind the Western OEMs. Most of the production techniques used for manufacturing 4th gen fighters with their tight tolerances and ICP (Interchangeability) standards are already in place. The best learning experience is, as it always is, doing it yourself.

Rafale production may help bring in more automation and reduce the man-hours that HAL expends on each fighter. It will definitely be very useful in cutting down labour hours, but I'm not sure it'll do much more.

I personally also feel that 54 more Rafales should be just ordered off the shelf and MRFA laid to rest.

Yeah this is BS. Even today HAL has to get much of the MKI’s raw materials from kits sent by Russia. Assembling something doesn’t teach you how to manufacture.

what ToT did HAL get from anyone that helped them create the composite airframe for LCA? What assembly job created the aeronautical spec ovens for fabricating the wings? Hint these had to be built for the LCA project alone.

ToT is a pure scam used to dupe backwards nations and backwards people. You cannot point to a single ToT case that has led to india making something later on its own. It’s pure screwdriver assembly

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

True saurav jha might have been exaggerating a bit but so far his updates on tejas mk2 has been correct...from the above post we can see that the earlier sanctioned money covers only 2 jets but the plans are to manufacture 4 for testing iirc,this late sanctioning of funds will definitely affect timeline adversely.
But im really surprised that ada ,hal,drdo pulled off tejas mk2 with the measly amount of money...despite their habit of missing timeline ..no one can make jets this cheaply ...barring maybe china

In 2009 money, Rs.2500 crore amounts to $500 million which is no small amount by any means

 

[Vamsi]

2027-8 is when it will be ready for production (if everything goes well). Lead times for production will be 12+ months at the very very least, remember LCA MK.1A will still be in production come 2029 so HAL will have to get firm commitments to start making capacity early on otherwise delivery will be delayed

What about those new hangars meant for Mk-2, aren't those of production?

 

[abingdonboy]

What about those new hangars meant for Mk-2, aren't those of production?

Not sure. I know HAL does some production in hangers but it’s safe to assume the majority of MK.2 production will come from converting the MK1A lines otherwise those will go idle in 2029, it’s also a question of manpower which is finite itself

those hangers are likely for assembly of the prototypes and maybe a small portion of SP

 

[vishnugupt]

As per you
IAF is Liberandu-Sickulars
IN is Liberandu-Sickulars
CAG is Liberandu-Sickulars



Typical post from a Russophile.
Attack the messenger on basis of religious and/or cultural ground in a thread and post that require technical counter.

No.
Liberandu-Sickulars is synonyms which I use exclusively for person who r rhetorical, biased and illogical. Unfortunately, You fall in that category.

Russian Engine:- Russian Engine are less sophisticated to their counterparts but they are not inefficient as you claiming.

You mentioned, mig 27 incident where it flameout while firing rockets but you forgot, it is an normal phenomenon. Infact IAF had admitted long before that was a operational error.

Su 57:- Russia has been developing this jet from 2005 just to hear your disapproval. Money could be an issue but Su57 is not failure. Time will tell you.

Liberandu-Sickulars is a thought, and because of this thought world is suffering today.

 

[vishnugupt]

S.Jha already cleared that up- the funds used till now for MK.2 were part of the FSED funds given for MK.1

I'm afraid he is not.

S. Jha tweeted in reply of delay in MWF prototype manufacturing by saying that Government is not clearing fund. Hence, MWF prototype is being delayed due to low fund.

The fund now has released must also includes few serial production jets for IAF evaluation.

 

[Vamsi]

 

[IndianHawk]

Unless they are on record it doesn’t mean anything, in fact even if they are it doesn’t mean anything. The previous CAS said 201 MK.2, now they are talking about 126 publicly.

for as long as MRFA is there that will be their priority

114 mrfa will cost at least 25 billion USD. And that's a conservative figure.

IAF may want is so badly but I just don't see how after crying atma-nirbhar everyday modi will go on and sign a 25billion usd check to Dassault.

The sheer optics will look disastrous . Opposition will laugh at atma-nirbhar campaign day in and day out.

Btw at what stage is mrfa tender ???

 

[Vamsi]

 

[johnj]

Why do we need tech transfer for 72 Rafales? Just buy them off the shelf & maintain it here the same way we do Mirage 2K. What is wrong with that scenario?

For engine. JV include tech transfer- its my opinion.
Why do we need tech transfer for 72 Rafales ? - Why do we need tech transfer for 36 Rafales ?- fixing issue of kaveri, mro for rafale engine, etc in 36 deal.

 

[abingdonboy]

114 mrfa will cost at least 25 billion USD. And that's a conservative figure.

IAF may want is so badly but I just don't see how after crying atma-nirbhar everyday modi will go on and sign a 25billion usd check to Dassault.

The sheer optics will look disastrous . Opposition will laugh at atma-nirbhar campaign day in and day out.

Btw at what stage is mrfa tender ???

MRFA has AON from DAC and every chance IAF gets they say they are progressing it, if this was against GoI/Modi’s wishes then they wouldn’t have reiterated this about 30 times in the last 6 months.

25 billion is a very conservative figure for 114 4.5+ gen jets with all their equipment especially if you consider it’ll be a type other than Rafale

 

[dumdumdum]

The sheer optics will look disastrous . Opposition will laugh at atma-nirbhar campaign day in and day out.

One Balakot like air strike involving Rafales and optics etc will be taken care of

 

[lcafanboy]