ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[HariPrasad-1]

Tejas MK-II needs to evolve into a better platform for IAF: Source
Published February 16, 2016
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK (INN)

Indian Air Force in past few months might had a change of heart when it agreed to place orders for upgraded Tejas MK-1A which will now come with a host of improvements which were earlier marked for Tejas MK-II.

Tejas MK-II project is officially in the backburner, at least for Indian Air force which is clearly not interested in the MK-2 project, for now, which was recently confirmed by IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Raha who while speaking to media said: ” As of now we are not interested in MK-II “.

Highly placed sources in airforce informed idrw.org that beyond completion of preliminary design review of MK-II conducted by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) nothing else moved further and it was unlikely aircraft could have been ready in a set timeframe to enter production in 2022 and even basic things like finalisation of configuration of MK-II even on paper was far from over to inspire confidence in the project.

Indian Air force will require nearly 300 fighter jets in the class of LCA-Tejas to replace the Mig-27 and Mig-27 fleet of fighters the jet from its inventory and Indian Air force has agreed to induct MK-1A and will make improvements as per user inputs for the development of further variants.

Defence Expert Ranesh Rajan speaking to idrw.org on this matter said that ” IAF is clearly sitting on the fence when it comes to the development of MK-II and will watch how Navy carries the development of LCA MK-II and will consider whether to develop MK-II or go for Cheaper MK-1B or MK-1C based on proven platforms and operational experience “.

The Same source has informed idrw.org that even if Navy continues to fund LCA MK-II project it is unlikely aircraft will be ready even in 2025 since ADA is still working on the concept design of LCA Navy Mk2 along with various external consultants in improving aerodynamics, Structures and new landing gear for Naval LCA which will be powered by new GE-414-INS6 engine vastly improving performance in flight envelope, acceleration, climb rate , higher turn rate with also have better G limits airframe but endurance might remain same as MK-1A even with larger fuel carrying capacity due to much more thirsty engines .

India’s parallel development of AMCA and UCAV projects too might have forced Indian air force to prioritise its needs leading to renewed interested in developing MK-1A platform instead of waiting another decade for MK-II project to mature which could have lead to further depletion of its fighter jet inventory due to lack of procurement of replacements aircraft said, Rajan.

Under India’s 5th generation Indigenous Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) fighter programme IAF plans to replace Mirage-2000, Mig-29 and Jaguars when there are up for retirement in the 2030-35 period.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
This is what I had been advocating for some time. Lat Naval Tejas come in first. Twike that to air force tejas subsequently. Naval tejas Mk2 is a Platform which exploits the Tejas platform potential fully. It is perfectly lengthed. 1.5 m longer than current tejas and it shall have 116 KN engine. It will have much longer range than proposed MK2 of tejas. It will be a plane with MMRCA category. If we can curved out IAF tejas out of that, than it shall be a much more potent platform on NG class. It will carry atleast 6 tons and maneuver like anything. It can match the best 4+ generation platform in the world. Just IAF may have to wait for 4 more years. We can ask the designers of MK2 Navy to keep in mind that LCA MK2 airforec have to to be curved out of that.

Why to run parallel programs for the paltform offering marginal rise in capability. Why not to take a leap in technology by bringing in a totally new platform significantly better and which may offer tha capability a class apart. If the MK2 is build in line with Naval Mk2 line, it shall relive MKI from many roles. This simply means that there is a huge cut in operation cost. As article states, We can do with MKB, and MK1C by that time which initself must be a world beater plane. Imagine we reduce wight by 600 KG in coming 5 years and bring in further aerodynamic improvements and resolve wing and intake issue. I do not thing anything in our neighborhood can dare to challenge it.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Another endless development loop ?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Another endless development loop ?

Nope, our first heli, Dhruv also took years but other projects went smoother and smoother.
Same thing happened to missiles, ships and other things.
Same thing will happen here.
As we have got some experience of building aircraft, we can further develop better on previous platforms just like other projects.

 

[Superdefender]

Guys, my opinion is that we should abandon Tejas mk. 2 for IAF, but continue it for navy (N-Tejas 2). N-Mk. 2 will be smallest 4.5gen aircraft with capacity and performance simillar to other carrier based fighters like F-18 Super Hornet and Rafale-M, because it will incorporate increased % of composites. Due to its smaller size and weight, we can store more no. of N-Tejas mk. 2 than other fighters.

Tejas-1A is like 70%-80% of MK. 2, so why invest in that for IAF? Instead we should leapfrog directly to mk. 3 for IAF which will be world's 1st and only light 5gen aircraft.

 

[G10]

IAF only wants to observe from fence while navy making all efforts to developing indigenous capability. Hmmm IAF is a looser.

 

[Superdefender]

IAF only wants to observe from fence while navy making all efforts to developing indigenous capability. Hmmm IAF is a looser.

Navy is doing very good. But it seems IAF has now somewhat loosen its stance and has showed willness to accept indegenious product. In Tejas project, IAF was looking from afar. But in case of AMCA, it joined design team!

 

[smestarz]

Guys, my opinion is that we should abandon Tejas mk. 2 for IAF, but continue it for navy (N-Tejas 2). N-Mk. 2 will be smallest 4.5gen aircraft with capacity and performance simillar to other carrier based fighters like F-18 Super Hornet and Rafale-M, because it will incorporate increased % of composites. Due to its smaller size and weight, we can store more no. of N-Tejas mk. 2 than other fighters.

Tejas-1A is like 70%-80% of MK. 2, so why invest in that for IAF? Instead we should leapfrog directly to mk. 3 for IAF which will be world's 1st and only light 5gen aircraft.

The Chinese have J-31 which seems to have been influenced by F-35

 

[HariPrasad-1]

The Chinese have J-31 which seems to have been influenced by F-35

J 31 is a junk and chinese media itself accepts that.

 

[Superdefender]

J 31 is a junk and chinese media itself accepts that.

Shenyang J-31 will stand nowhere near AMCA in future.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Shenyang J-31 will stand nowhere near AMCA in future.

None of Chinese aircraft shall stand against LCA AESA i.e LCA MK1+

 

[smestarz]

J 31 is a junk and chinese media itself accepts that.

Never underestimate your enemy, Let us wait and see how it turns out to be. Even USA media calls F-35 similar names but still its developing, is it not? The media is not given full access to the plane.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Never underestimate your enemy, Let us wait and see how it turns out to be. Even USA media calls F-35 similar names but still its developing, is it not? The media is not given full access to the plane.

I am not talking in air. I read one article by chinese media about J31 being nothing against F35. Every chinese weapon is over hyped so as J31. J15 was termed as better than Su 33. Look here what chinese media themselves said about J15 quoting chinese scientist.

http://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=287&p=545180

 

[Superdefender]

Chinese are not equal to us in quality, only quantity. And that's too because they started very early than us.

 

[fooLIam]

Chinese are not equal to us in quality, only quantity. And that's too because they started very early than us.

well, military folks will disagree with you.we were superior to them at the time they invaded tibet and 1962 but our politician were losers,cowards,incompetant and many were outright anti-national.

anways ,china of today is formidle country in every aspect and they can sustain long fights and have political will, not to mention han chinese have penchant for war.

edit: they already have prototypes of 5gen flying and ours still are on drawing board.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

We must speed up naval nersion of MK2 and out of that we should make Mk2 of Airforce. Naval Mk2 is proposed to be 1.5 M longer than MK1 tejas with a lots of fuel and a 116 to 118 KN engine. It will have a wing root lavcon as well. We must make a Airforce tejas out of that. It shall certainly be a Gripen NG class fighter with 6+ ton payload atleast 3000 to 3500 KM (Without external fuel) range with combat radious of around 1000 KM. Chinkis and porkies shall piss in their pants for sure.

 

[Superdefender]

We must speed up naval nersion of MK2 and out of that we should make Mk2 of Airforce. Naval Mk2 is proposed to be 1.5 M longer than MK1 tejas with a lots of fuel and a 116 to 118 KN engine. It will have a wing root lavcon as well. We must make a Airforce tejas out of that. It shall certainly be a Gripen NG class fighter with 6+ ton payload atleast 3000 to 3500 KM (Without external fuel) range with combat radious of around 1000 KM. Chinkis and porkies shall piss in their pants for sure.

IAF should leapfrog to mk. 3 and Navy should take N-mk. 2 for carriers.

 

[Superdefender]

well, military folks will disagree with you.we were superior to them at the time they invaded tibet and 1962 but our politician were losers,cowards,incompetant and many were outright anti-national.

anways ,china of today is formidle country in every aspect and they can sustain long fights and have political will, not to mention han chinese have penchant for war.

edit: they already have prototypes of 5gen flying and ours still are on drawing board.

But ours both 5th gen fighters will better than theirs in quality and more deadlier. Sukhoi-HAL FGFA vs. Chengdu J-20 / HAL AMCA vs. Shenyang J-31

 

[Superdefender]

We must speed up naval nersion of MK2 and out of that we should make Mk2 of Airforce. Naval Mk2 is proposed to be 1.5 M longer than MK1 tejas with a lots of fuel and a 116 to 118 KN engine. It will have a wing root lavcon as well. We must make a Airforce tejas out of that. It shall certainly be a Gripen NG class fighter with 6+ ton payload atleast 3000 to 3500 KM (Without external fuel) range with combat radious of around 1000 KM. Chinkis and porkies shall piss in their pants for sure.

118 kN for mk. 2! Are you sure? AMCA will have 2x116 kN engine.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Chinese are not equal to us in quality, only quantity. And that's too because they started very early than us.

There's nothing more pathetic than underestimating enemies.
First let India overtake China. Only then, we will have right to say that.
But if we get over excited, we will be just a matter of fun humiliation.

 

[Superdefender]

There's nothing more pathetic than underestimating enemies.
First let India overtake China. Only then, we will have right to say that.
But if we get over excited, we will be just a matter of fun humiliation.

Same can be said about Chinese. They think they are way better than us, no no that is understatement. They think we are inferior to them, they think our culture is backward and many more. We are not 1962 India anymore. If this time China attacks us again, this will be China's last mistake.