ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Indx TechStyle]

Same can be said about Chinese. They think they are way better than us, no no that is understatement. They think we are inferior to them, they think our culture is backward and many more. We are not 1962 India anymore. If this time China attacks us again, this will be China's last mistake.

We have reduced the gap since 1965 but they still have edge.
And better to keep quiet till India eradicates remaining gap in coming times.

 

[tejas warrior]

If F16 comes to India, it will simply kill Tejas.

No Mk2 after this for IAF.

 

[Superdefender]

Yes, it will definitely kill Tejas. If deal is like - IAF will not use F-16, it is only for export to US allies near India, then it is ok for me.

 

[tejas warrior]

Yes, it will definitely kill Tejas. If deal is like - IAF will not use F-16, it is only for export to US allies near India, then it is ok for me.

How come, if its coming its mostly for IAF.

 

[Superdefender]

I said if F-16 is for export and not for IAF, then I shall welcome it.

 

[salute]

How come, if its coming its mostly for IAF.

this because of the american engines ???

are they talking about couple of hundreds of those jets for iaf,

why iaf not resisting on this,they dont like lca because its 'small' range jet but they like f 16 which is about same as lca.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Tejas MK1

This information must be Read & Saved that ' Tejas ' Ferry range is 1700kms without Fuel tanks ( With fuel tanks 3000kms according to Janes ) and Combat Range is more than 500kms .. , This information is released by Government agency during IOC-2 ...

Source : Press Information Bureau English Releases

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[Superdefender]

Is Range, Combat Range, Ferry Range and Combat Radius of Tejas mk-1A is better than mk-1 or same? If better, please provide above 4 datas of both aircrafts.

 

[tejas warrior]

Is Range, Combat Range, Ferry Range and Combat Radius of Tejas mk-1A is better than mk-1 or same? If better, please provide above 4 datas of both aircrafts.

Mk1-A weight will be less than mk1. (how much, depends.. can not be conformed now)

Engine same.

So all those Ranges will increase.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

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If F16 comes to India, it will simply kill Tejas.

No Mk2 after this for IAF.

Let them come without any assurance of purchase. Or We may select F18 which is a different class fighter. But than question arise why not Su 35? Which is a much better plane. Well come all. Give them incentives tax holidays but no assurance of purchase. Saab is also well come so as Rafale. Yes, We may purchase 36 rafale as promised if the assembly line comes here. After supply of 36 rafale, their assembly line shall become idle and it will force them offer planes at a very cheap rate subsequently.

We need to take a comprehensive view. We are at a threshold and we need to make a judgement. If we play our cards smartly, there are full possibility that we may emerge as the plane manufacturing hub. Sukhois are offering to make TATAs as the partner for civil jet. Rafale has alliance with Ambanis. Saab has a tie up with TATAs. Baba kalyani has started manufacturing small jet engines. Mahindra is already in aviation for quite some time. L & T have a very bright chance to enter into aviation. They are very much into naval and armour technology. So we have atleast 5 big players who are going to dominate defense sector. TATA's airframes are flying in hundreds of numbers in planes and choppers of premier american flying platforms.

And Except L & T, all are there in aviation. I foresee a very bright future of aviation sector in India.
There are some main reasons.
1) We have a huge Demand in all sectors
2) We have the money to invest.
3) We can provide best skilled manpower for R & D as well as manufacturing and in leadership.
4) We have a very big goodwill and nice international relationship with almost all technologically advance countries. All those who are unwilling to transfer technology to countries like China may not have the reservation in coming to India.
5) Most important of all is that we can do that at a very cheap rate.
6) in INR VS USD, Rupee value is very low looking at PPP. So automatically , their investment grows manifold as soon as the investment comes to India.

 

[Superdefender]

Rightly said HariPrasad-1, our GDP in PPP will touch $9 trillion in couple of months. We have no problem in money. Just have to use it smartly in defence. No need to privatise DRDO & HAL, just offload some projects (not critical tech) and give them to private playerds. DM should distribute such a way that each private co. will get the project in which it is good at. Like Baba Kalyani said - they are not master in tech., but very good at machinery. Ongoing FICV is very nice example.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

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If F16 comes to India, it will simply kill Tejas.

No Mk2 after this for IAF.

Your apprehensions may not turned out to be true. When we opened our economy, people were talking about Foreign Pharma companies will take over domestic companies and dominate indian market. Today We have not only almost 100% drugs are manufactured India but we are a leading exporter of very inexpensive yet very potent drugs in all over the world. Our people are very smart, Let them get exposed to international market. You see a possibility of killing of LCA MK2 but I see a possibility of Sukhoi, F 16 and Saab becoming Indian brand in future,

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Mk1-A weight will be less than mk1. (how much, depends.. can not be conformed now)

Engine same.

So all those Ranges will increase.

Whatever it may be but dead weight in front part is sure to go. Landing gear shall loose weight as well and more parts shall be converted to composites. I see 400 Kg TO 500 KG a very reasonable figure, This coupled with 8% aerodynamic improvement should give tejas a super performance. Tejas is all set to emerge as a premier platform like LCH, Rudra and dhruv.

 

[Superdefender]

So can mark-1A able to pull 9g manuevre du to improved aerodynamics?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

So can mark-1A able to pull 9g manuevre du to improved aerodynamics?

MK1 itself has pulled more than 8g. Mk1+ will be light with atleast 8% aerodynamic improvement. So we can certainly hope for that. I think MK1 can also pull 9 g . We need to keep our planes improving and we are doing that. Look at the difference in the performance of Mk1 in Aero India 2015 and Bahrain just one year later. Even STR of 20 to 22 second is observed which is very good. It did vertical loop in just 17 second.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

So can mark-1A able to pull 9g manuevre du to improved aerodynamics?

Look at the aerodynamic improvement as well. When Mk2 was conceived, designers said that there shall be a 3% aerodynamic improvement. Than they said 5% and now figure has reached 8% in Mk1 itself.

They said that Mk2 shall have same weight i.e 6500 kg. inspite of being long. Now they say that it will weigh 6150 KG. All this show that design is evolving.
Initially they said that Mk2 will have active fuel distribution system now they say that passive system works very fine so no need of Active fuel distribution system.

What I want say is that innovations are coming in. We are resolving the issues one by one. Our bird is improving like anything. As vivek Ahuja in his article of simulation of F 16 and LCA combat performance, he wrote that any decrease in weight of LCA from this stage i.e 6500 Kg will have a very big impact in its performance. I am very sure that we shall be able to decrease the weight by 500 KG which is a 8.33% rise in T/W ratio. 8% aerodynamic improvement and lots of other goodies in Mk1+ itself. So wait and watch. We shall see a much improved platform in couple of years of time.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Your apprehensions may not turned out to be true. When we opened our economy, people were talking about Foreign Pharma companies will take over domestic companies and dominate indian market. Today We have not only almost 100% drugs are manufactured India but we are a leading exporter of very inexpensive yet very potent drugs in all over the world. Our people are very smart, Let them get exposed to international market. You see a possibility of killing of LCA MK2 but I see a possibility of Sukhoi, F 16 and Saab becoming Indian brand in future,

We are leading exporters in generics - 20+ years old produtlcts

What about new drug discovery ?
How many new drugs have Indian cos discovered
How much money does India's pvt sector spend on new drugs r&d ?


Will our def forces buy 20-30 years old products ?

Not a sane comparison

 

[Superdefender]

Tejas mk. 2 will be highly modernised 4.5gen aircraft. Its only competor will be Gripen NG. Existing medium weight aircraft like F-16, F-18, Rafale, Super Typhoon, Mig-29, etc. donot have composites airframe. Mk. 2 will involve high percentage of composites, resulting lower weight but still very strong and can carry ordance. My question - Can mk. 2 show simillar performance & capability like current medium weight 4.5g aircrafts, despite being a light weight 4.5g aircraft?

 

[Immanuel]

Tejas mk. 2 will be highly modernised 4.5gen aircraft. Its only competor will be Gripen NG. Existing medium weight aircraft like F-16, F-18, Rafale, Super Typhoon, Mig-29, etc. donot have composites airframe. Mk. 2 will involve high percentage of composites, resulting lower weight but still very strong and can carry ordance. My question - Can mk. 2 show simillar performance & capability like current medium weight 4.5g aircrafts, despite being a light weight 4.5g aircraft?

Small correction, Rafale/EF, modern new build Mig-35/29Ks do have composties, Super Hornet has them too. % of use per aircraft differs with Rafale/EF having a good amount.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Tejas mk. 2 will be highly modernised 4.5gen aircraft. Its only competor will be Gripen NG. Existing medium weight aircraft like F-16, F-18, Rafale, Super Typhoon, Mig-29, etc. donot have composites airframe. Mk. 2 will involve high percentage of composites, resulting lower weight but still very strong and can carry ordance. My question - Can mk. 2 show simillar performance & capability like current medium weight 4.5g aircrafts, despite being a light weight 4.5g aircraft?

Why not. Look at Gripen NG. It is comparable to anything in medium catagory. If we make MK2 out of naval MK2 i.e 1.5 m longer than Tejas Mk1 and put 118 KN engine than it shall certainly be comparable to any MMRCA. It will do 9g, AOA may go to 30* or more and It should cruise a mach 2.0 with a range of 3000 KM. Sucess of design lies in proper deign of air intake , Wings, Aerodynamics and keep the weight in check. Last is certainly should not be a problem area any more.