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The requirements for how the data must be presented in a "fused" manner will come from the IAF and NFTC test pilots who are going to be a part of the Tejas Mk2 program.

The IAF is now exposed to sensor fusion and how the data is presented on multiple platforms, including Rafale F3R, F-21, Typhoon and Gripen E. Obviously they'll be most well versed with sensor fusion as it stands on the Rafale F3R.

But they are smart enough to come up with their own requirements and their own solutions to presenting the fused scenario picture to the pilot in the most clear way.
We have tested 6 Aircrafts in MMRCA. Except Mig 35 (29), all the planes had very good electronics. We should study them and see how the data can be presented in most easy to understand and use manner. Rafale has great electronics so probably it will have excellent sensor fusion and presentation as well. All these should be given to IAF and they should be asked to come up with their own requirements so as to enable DRDO to design the user friendly presentation of sensor fusion.
 

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Chinese AESA is air cooled , which clearly indicated less power consumption and hence weak. You rightly said that data are confidential but there are other indications.

1. Air cool AESA radar - KLJ-7A is only one of the several Chinese AESA radar. It was specifically developed for export fighter jet. So far, none evidence shows that Chinese is using it on her own military fighter jet.
2. The advantage of this kind of radar is "will help offset the internal space and power limitations of many in-service fighters, providing these aircraft with an AESA radar that is easier to integrate than liquid-cooled systems". In other words, it is developed for those old 3rd generation fighter jets.

Chinese radars even can not ditect Brahmos or Iranian missiles fared on Pakistan.
Fan boys can always find a way to make themselves high.
 

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1. Air cool AESA radar - KLJ-7A is only one of the several Chinese AESA radar. It was specifically developed for export fighter jet. So far, none evidence shows that Chinese is using it on her own military fighter jet.
2. The advantage of this kind of radar is "will help offset the internal space and power limitations of many in-service fighters, providing these aircraft with an AESA radar that is easier to integrate than liquid-cooled systems". In other words, it is developed for those old 3rd generation fighter jets.



Fan boys can always find a way to make themselves high.
But what if it provides performance similar to PESA Radar? What is the benefit when your opponents have far superior radars and see you much before you can see them and shoot a BVR at you?
 

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1. Air cool AESA radar - KLJ-7A is only one of the several Chinese AESA radar. It was specifically developed for export fighter jet. So far, none evidence shows that Chinese is using it on her own military fighter jet.
2. The advantage of this kind of radar is "will help offset the internal space and power limitations of many in-service fighters, providing these aircraft with an AESA radar that is easier to integrate than liquid-cooled systems". In other words, it is developed for those old 3rd generation fighter jets.



Fan boys can always find a way to make themselves high.
What is fanboyism in that. This is a fact. When we accidently fired Brahmmos, None of the Pakistan radar can detect it. They only knew about that when the debries landed in Pakistan. It seems that you have a very high regards for substandard Chinese weapon.
 

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What is fanboyism in that. This is a fact. When we accidently fired Brahmmos, None of the Pakistan radar can detect it. They only knew about that when the debries landed in Pakistan. It seems that you have a very high regards for substandard Chinese weapon.
so much, like immunity against jamming, option of low probability intercept mode ( radar mode), no maniacal steering, about range if the ac can be data linked awac can relay the much longer range BVR que ( with duel way dl bvr missile ) to ac than the hostile aircraft ( new strategy used by PAF)
 

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It is like f22s cooling I guess.. where total of 130 subsystems are cooled by a universal system which then exchanges it's heat with bleed air from jet engine and jet fuel. This is very efficient as there is no need for ever system to have its own cooling system..
Jet fuel is kept at low temperatures it can absorb alot of heat from systems..
Here we can't extract air from engine so it will be hybrid anyways here we have to just cool down radar so it will be enough...
 

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I know mosts of subsystems turkey uses in its weapons are partially made & assembled in turkey.
Like the radar for there upgrades of f16. Which is jv with British firm. Which they are using on akinci drone. I dont think they even got a single most important technologies through it. They will never gets most important techs. Neither it is as advance this Europeans countries are using.
Same is the case with there Hisar defence systems a knock off of french-italian eurosam. No elite tech is given to turkey neither is made in turkey..
Same will be the case with kaan.
As compared to india, we do have our sub-systems like radars now GaN based, IR systems like for su30s upgrade.
Fly by wire , RAM, composites, EOTS is under testing now, MAWS, EW suits, many more such systems..
This takes alot of time. Koreans & Turks have skipped it and just brought it from western firms..
everything is stucked because of engine.
Deal with Safran should be signed as early as possible. I think we are stucked because of f414.
Why are you whining when you know Turkey has no real indigenous technology and just imports & assembles to do stunt for Erdogan's PR
All that you say may be correct but they have something that flies. All we see are Kuntal Biswas pictures. both of Mk2, AMCA & TEDBF. Until then we can sing:

Ae [Tejas Mk2 | AMCA | TEDBF] mere kab honge darshan tere.
KAAN is worse than Mig21 in current state and will remain worse than Mig21 unless Turkey uses most of the components imported from west. What is there to say "at least it is flying" when it is just a stunt prop?
The reason for that is that the Turks have the source codes for only their 35 odd F-16 Block 30s, not the Block 50s in their inventory. Their Özgür upgrade is only for these 35 F-16 Block 30s.

These F-16V kits are to upgrade the remaining Block 50s that they can't upgrade on their own.

Turkey has no source codes for any technology. It likely has a licensed import agreement whereby it has a licensed copy of the software without the ability to read the source codes. Giving source codes is no joke and it can seriously compromise the radar of USA jets if reverse engineered or weakness analysed.
We all don't know the exact perf of the Tejas and JF17 radar.
Those are very secret datas, and depend of so many parameters.... (how each bird is loaded, is it in front, on side, clutter treatment, electronical environnment etc...)

I think (and expect) russian and chinese electronical exuipment less advanced than west ones. Nothing very impressive was seen in Ukraine for exemple. 2 x A50 mainstay airborn radars seemed to have been shoot these last 2 months...
That is not correct. Chinese and Russian equipments are not available to the west to see and analyse but they are not low tech. Ukraine is not a good example as Russia is deploying old weapons and low tech items.
Chinese AESA is air cooled , which clearly indicated less power consumption and hence weak. You rightly said that data are confidential but there are other indications.

Chinese radars even can not ditect Brahmos or Iranian missiles fared on Pakistan.
China is smart and has lower end versions for exports. The ones given to pakistan are lower tech export grade items, for example. Even the air cooled radar is just an export variant and not regular one. China uses high tech equipment for its own army.
What is fanboyism in that. This is a fact. When we accidently fired Brahmmos, None of the Pakistan radar can detect it. They only knew about that when the debries landed in Pakistan. It seems that you have a very high regards for substandard Chinese weapon.
You definitely have low IQ. Chinese radar sold to Pakistan is low tech export variant, not the high end version China uses for itself. China does not trust Pakistan as it fears that it may sell the tech to USA or other countries. China, in general does not trust anyone and hence never sells its top tech items. All exports are of lower quality and lower tech items. So, Pakistani radars not detecting Brahmos does not mean China has a bad technology
 

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But what if it provides performance similar to PESA Radar?
May its performance is only on the same level of PESA, but the size of this kind of AESA is far smaller than PESA. So, for those 3rd world countries' old 3rd generation fighter jets which only have small internal size, this AESA can fit, PESA can't!

What is the benefit when your opponents have far superior radars and see you much before you can see them and shoot a BVR at you?
Not every developing country wants to match their opponent's superior radar one by one because they simply don't have that much money! This AESA provide them a cheap option which allow most of their old 3rd generation still have a certain level capabilities in modern war without spending big money.
 

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May its performance is only on the same level of PESA, but the size of this kind of AESA is far smaller than PESA. So, for those 3rd world countries' old 3rd generation fighter jets which only have small internal size, this AESA can fit, PESA can't!



Not every developing country wants to match their opponent's superior radar one by one because they simply don't have that much money! This AESA provide them a cheap option which allow most of their old 3rd generation still have a certain level capabilities in modern war without spending big money.
Or it could be another Chinese con game for which their products have achieved infamy worldwide. Badge a product AESA whose performance is worse than a PESA & sell the lemon to fools like Paxtan who are both broke & isolated from western suppliers hence don't have much of a choice while CCP laughs all the way to the bank.

Btw - has the MSS increased the rate per post for Wumaos from 50 cents or is it still the same after more than a decade which results in low quality posts that you & your compatriots have been making since the past few years. Such miserliness from the MSS also results in Gaokao fall recruits to the MSS like yourself which could also be an explainer for your low IQ posts. So , which one is it now ?
 

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What is fanboyism in that. This is a fact. When we accidently fired Brahmmos, None of the Pakistan radar can detect it. They only knew about that when the debries landed in Pakistan. It seems that you have a very high regards for substandard Chinese weapon.
It doesn't matter how I think. It matters what Indian generals thinks about "substandard Chinese weapon".
Obviously and unfortunately they don't agree with you.
 

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