ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[MonaLazy]

Su35 isn't a number filler budget plane

Did the Chinese ever complain about money problems? & Yet they are not buying any more Russian-ware instead ramping up J-20/J-10 numbers.

 

[Bleh]

Did the Chinese ever complain about money problems? & Yet they are not buying any more Russian-ware instead ramping up J-20/J-10 numbers.

Yup.. Even PLAAF seem to favour further induction to be J-10 & J-20 only.


BTW, your were right in the canard thing. The latest update on MWF has that part of the canard snipped off. It wasn't there on the previous version's renders & models.
Thanks a ton..

 

[MonaLazy]

Anyone, any idea why the air inlets are not being widened in the jump from F404 (of Mk1) to F414 (of MWF)? Like the trajectory of F-18 from model D to E.

Too late in the cycle to be making such changes & too glaring an error to not fix it, makes me think all talk of Tejas inlets being too small for air flow requirement of GE engines is hogwash. If the same curved design+bleed doors can feed the F414 enough air, even F404 of Mk1 should have no problem.

 

[Bleh]

Too late in the cycle to be making such changes & too glaring an error to not fix it, makes me think all talk of Tejas inlets being too small for air flow requirement of GE engines is hogwash. If the same curved design+bleed doors can feed the F414 enough air, even F404 of Mk1 should have no problem.

1stly those "talkers" don't know shit.. Initially the Tejas DCS-mod was based on F-18 & actually pilots who tried it out found it to be underpowered than the real thing so they switched to Mirage-2000.

And 2ndly, as I said.. each intake of F-18 is feeding an engine, in case of LCA-MWF two intakes are feeding one. So in our case the size change is distributed over two intakes & is less prominent. Each MWF inlet is almost the size of Hornet inlet the feeds an whole F404.

 

[IndianHawk]

Did the Chinese ever complain about money problems? & Yet they are not buying any more Russian-ware instead ramping up J-20/J-10 numbers.

Are you being obtuse?? Chinese have budgets just like everyone else.
Single engine jets cost much much less to operate procure and maintain.

You should rather be asking why russian never made something like j10 despite having the engine?

 

[MirageBlue]

That's what you chose to post yourself



Aight lads.. More progress update, featuring central DT & landing-gear setup (plz don't share outside DFI & BRF @MirageBlue )
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I don't upload these anywhere else but on BRF..but these renderings are superb..can't wait to see the final result with IAF markings..

 

[tsunami]

You really think porks can afford new class of fighter?
They might have reject cause they really cant afford.

They can't afford F-16 and JF-17 too... How do you think they got them?

 

[MirageBlue]

Anyone, any idea why the air inlets are not being widened in the jump from F404 (of Mk1) to F414 (of MWF)? Like the trajectory of F-18 from model D to E.

Too late in the cycle to be making such changes & too glaring an error to not fix it, makes me think all talk of Tejas inlets being too small for air flow requirement of GE engines is hogwash. If the same curved design+bleed doors can feed the F414 enough air, even F404 of Mk1 should have no problem.

They are going to be enlarged..the airflow difference must be catered to..

However, on the Super Hornet, each air intake feeds 1 F-414 engine. On the Tejas Mk2, 2 intakes feed 1 F-414. So it's only natural that the difference will not be so apparent.

 

[MirageBlue]

Yup.. Even PLAAF seem to favour further induction to be J-10 & J-20 only.


BTW, your were right in the canard thing. The latest update on MWF has that part of the canard snipped off. It wasn't there on the previous version's renders & models.
Thanks a ton..
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Is this from some RFI released by HAL or ADA?

 

[Bleh]

Is this from some RFI released by HAL or ADA?

Amitraaz released on Twitter.. From some tender. @Kuntal got me these. He'll know.

 

[MonaLazy]

why russian never made something like j10 despite having the engine?

Russian philosophy to fight wars is different but it works for them so is perfectly fine. For example they don't value aircraft carriers too much- does not mean we should copy them! As for single-engined planes please look up Mikoyan LMFS. It's in the works right now.

But we are digressing, the key point is Mk1A & MWF could not come soon enough and in large numbers for us to confidently take on PLAAF. They should have been in service yesterday.

 

[Bleh]

@MonaLazy yes, please don't digress.

The canards were tested upto ±30°.. Diagnosis;

But gonna do that cut anyways.. It creates an air channel just exactly above the wing's leading-edge extended section. Might be important aerodynamically (fuck if I know). We're playing safe here.

 

[SARTHAK]

Why they have higher crashes ? , It isn't fully junk but older version are , chinese stick to platform and improve block by block , still older version are not in small quantity

fact is we are not too optimistic but we were too underconfident and under funded to carry on any project like mwf or amca but now govt has ample funding lined up for those projects ,r&d is swiftly running , earlier we didn't even pay attention towards plaaf ,not because we were too optimistic but we were not willing to fight plaaf

 

[SARTHAK]

REGARDING the training of chinese pilots https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf

 

[Bleh]

REGARDING the training of chinese pilots https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf

Parh to le kya share kar raha hai... Propaganda headline, content is completely different. And until 110kN TVC engines come, MWF will end up exactly like that against J-10C, no matter how many Muricans explain how impractical supermaneuverability is...

The JAS-39 performance was at its worst inside the within visual range (WVR) envelope. Over a 2-day period, PLAAF pilots shot down 25 Gripens at a loss of only one Su-27.

You guys can choose to keep living in dreams like a true desi patriot, but please exercise that constitutional right in appropriate thread.

 

[IndianHawk]

Russian philosophy to fight wars is different but it works for them so is perfectly fine. For example they don't value aircraft carriers too much- does not mean we should copy them! As for single-engined planes please look up Mikoyan LMFS. It's in the works right now.

But we are digressing, the key point is Mk1A & MWF could not come soon enough and in large numbers for us to confidently take on PLAAF. They should have been in service yesterday.

Russian philosophy is the same for airforce. There cheap number filler is mig29/35.
Capabilities of which only meet western single engine jets like f16 / Mirage . In range , payload etc mig29/35 is not any better than single engine western jets.

The only reason it's double engined is because russian know the reliability of their engine isn't good.
So they didn't take risk.

China needed a jet even cheaper than mig29/35 for numbers hence was forced to go with j10 and russian engine and now that it has money china is trying to update avionics of j10 .

Regarding lmfs new russian engine are more reliable like 117s and iz 30 . So it may be possible for russian to build a single engine jet afterall in future. But as of now that lmfs is only a pipe dream.

Regarding lca and MWF yes they are coming a bit late but in turn they have become much better and far more advanced than previously envisioned.

 

[SARTHAK]

Parh to le kya share kar raha hai... Propaganda headline, content is completely different. And until 110kN TVC engines come, MWF will end up exactly like that against J-10C, no matter how many Muricans explain how impractical supermaneuverability is...



You guys can choose to keep living in dreams like a true desi patriot, but please exercise that constitutional right in appropriate thread.

i read it a long time ago just shared it now (without reading) but still you cannot discard the inadequate training

 

[Bleh]

i read it a long time ago just shared it now (without reading) but still you cannot discard the inadequate training

Inadequate training cannot score 25:1 in shortrange split-second dogfights dude, only A-grade training can!.. The Su-27 are just big with high RCS & they were training no EW BVR-engagements in the other case.

 

[MonaLazy]

The JAS-39 performance was at its worst inside the within visual range (WVR) envelope. Over a 2-day period, PLAAF pilots shot down 25 Gripens at a loss of only one Su-27.

So after several years of toil we want MWF to be at par with the Gripen E/F, when the C/D model was beaten hands down by the Su-27- of which we have a better version locally. Hope E/F is miles ahead of C/D, or that MWF is so good it does not have to ever engage in WVR, scoring kills in BVR.

The canards were tested upto ±30°..
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Awesome! Amazing stuff comes out of the design hangars of DFI! On a lighter note, that thing looks like it will take to air any moment like the humble house fly!

On a humbling note, can it do this:

Looks way more than 30 degrees- probably closer to 50-60 degrees. Not sure what advantage higher degree of movement allows but could help with improving turn rates in conjunction with other control surfaces, vital in WVR combat.

 

[IndianHawk]

So after several years of toil we want MWF to be at par with the Gripen E/F, when the C/D model was beaten hands down by the Su-27- of which we have a better version locally. Hope E/F is miles ahead of C/D, or that MWF is so good it does not have to ever engage in WVR, scoring kills in BVR.



Awesome! Amazing stuff comes out of the design hangars of DFI! On a lighter note, that thing looks like it will take to air any moment like the humble house fly!

On a humbling note, can it do this:

Looks way more than 30 degrees- probably closer to 50-60 degrees. Not sure what advantage higher degree of movement allows but could help with improving turn rates in conjunction with other control surfaces, vital in WVR combat.

Gripen c/d won against su27 of china in bvr but lost in wvr excercises. Reason for this was gripen was using old aim 9 missile as Thailand didn't had any advanced wvr missile in the arsenal. Still overall gripen won.

So MWF heck even lca mk1 with python 5 or asraam could be deadly for su27 . Nothing to worry there.