ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[patriots]

sp10 coming soon......
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[patriots]

and something good is coming on tejas...............
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[stew98]

I can assure, even if HAL/DRDO integrate LASER gun and Rail gun on Tejas and Arjun. Still these indigenous platforms will not be good enough for our armed forces and will demand more.
IAF forget how SU-30 was inducted. SU-30 din't had all weapons fully integrated, and hence SU-30MKI was born about decade later. About T-90 lesser said the better.
In case of MIG-29 Russian plane, was literally kept alive by only our armed forces. But in case of indigenous platforms they start pussy footing. Not to forget MIG-29 was also was mired with many problems. They have to upgrade it to MIG-29 KUB.
Irony is that they will fly MIG-21 nick named flying coffin, which don't come close to Tejas in any parameters, but wouldn't give a chance to indigenous Tejas with zero crash record.

Our armed forces are happy to develop foreign companies but not home grown ones.

 

[Pandeyji]

Guys check out this video. I think the guy does a great job of explaining the Lifafa Journalism going on.

 

[Sancho]

In all flight specs plain Mk1 beats upgraded mirage

Lol the typical made up nonsense, it neither comes close to the speed, the turn rates or G limits of the Mirate so far, that's the whole reason why MK2 development was necessary!
MICA has longer range than the standard Derby that LCA has integrated, the ER version is offered, not ordered according to Rafael. MICA also comes with TVC to make the missile more agile and turn faster, a tech feature that Python V doesn't have.
And as already stated comes has the superior missile load in A2A or A2G.

So the facts remains, the Mirage upgrade was totally worth it, because it remains to be one of the most capable fighters in the fleet, which is why it remains the prime nuclear strike platform for years.

 

[Sancho]

Mind it I am not comparing ASEA MK1A to upgraded mirage 2000.

Lol as if there is any meaningful difference between both.

Both don't have the higher thrust engine => limited flight performance
Both have just 7+1 hardpoints => limited weapon load capability
Both will need to carry the EW with external SPJ => higher drag and weight, even more so MER is used
Both have size limitations on the centerline => limited fuel and weapon capacity

So if you would know what you are talking about, you would know that the only real difference between both is an modernised radar, just as in the Darin 3 Jags, while the performance and capability will remain low, contrary to the M2K upgrade, that added a lot of punch to an already good fighter.

 

[Sancho]

Good discussion, what i don't understand why does IAF keep bashing HAL when IAF keeps changing its goal posts.

Interessting video, thanks for sharing.

HAL is blamed for the production delays of IOC versions, just as ADA is blamed for development and certification delays and failures. None of that has to do with IAF changing anything, but because the slow progress in the programme.
The changes that were made, were corrections to make up for shortfalls of the fighter and the long development time.

Low flight performance and the lack of a gun, required HMS and hobs missiles to give it any useful survivability.
Higher weight reduced fuel capacity, which is why IFR is critical to achieve sufficient endurance.
Nose material issue, required to import an alternative.
Outdated EW and radar (planned for FOC in 2008) needed to be modernised.
Low TWR and drag issues, required the development of Tejas MK2...

So shortfalls and failures of the fighter, "during it's development", forced corrections to make the fighter useful for the operational requirements in the changed time lines.

 

[Sancho]

IAF forget how SU-30 was inducted. SU-30 din't had all weapons fully integrated, and hence SU-30MKI was born about decade later.

First of all, Su 30 K's were only a stop gap till the version IAF wanted (MKI) was available. That's similar to Tejas IOC/FOC until MK2 could be available (MK1A is a compromise in between), the version that complies to the ASR.

Secondly, Su 30s had the flight performance and A2A capability to protect the country even back then, Tejas doesn't until at least FOC is achieved.

We can always find excuses and draw pointless comparisons, but the issue is not IAF, it's the development and certification stage of Tejas which is solely dependent on ADAs performance. The total blame on the poor state of the LCA programme lies on ADA!

 

[Sancho]

Guys check out this video. I think the guy does a great job of explaining the Lifafa Journalism going on.

The cost point is true, the initial cost will be higher and hopefully go down during the MK1A production time line. The rest however is complete nonsense. The technical specs and feature comparisons of all fighters, including Tejas itself are wrong. That's exactly why you tube channels are poor sources for defence informations, since most of these channels are run by fan boys (for different fighters), without any professional background in defence or at least journalism.

 

[stew98]

Tejas were intended to replace MIG-21, and Tejas exceeded in all parameters decade back.

In case of SU-30, Why did IAF accepted incomplete aircraft in the first place? If i take your argument of stop gap then why din't IAF retired all MIG-21 and could have deployed MK1 as a stop gap. Not to forget MK2 was not IAF requirement but navy's requirement for taking off from carrier, it's just IAF jump with navy.

Secondly, if SU-30 had A2A capability, then why was MIG-29 was fielded and not SU-30?

IAF always found excuses and changed requirements, that's the cause of delay.

First of all, Su 30 K's were only a stop gap till the version IAF wanted (MKI) was available. That's similar to Tejas IOC/FOC until MK2 could be available (MK1A is a compromise in between), the version that complies to the ASR.

Secondly, Su 30s had the flight performance and A2A capability to protect the country even back then, Tejas doesn't until at least FOC is achieved.

We can always find excuses and draw pointless comparisons, but the issue is not IAF, it's the development and certification stage of Tejas which is solely dependent on ADAs performance. The total blame on the poor state of the LCA programme lies on ADA!

 

[Sancho]

Tejas were intended to replace MIG-21, and Tejas exceeded in all parameters decade back. Why did IAF accepted incomplete aircraft in the first place? IF i take your argument of stop gap then why din't IAF retired all MIG-21 and could have deployed MK1 as a stop gap.

Because LCA in it's current stage is not capable to replace Mig 21s, let alone to compete with 4th gen fighters!

Replacing Mig 21s means, that it needs to have A2A capability, but LCA MK1 in all versions lacks flight performance and until FOC is achieved even completely lacks any A2A capability. All it can replace now, are single role strike fighters like Mig 27 or Jaguar, which however was never the intention, nor makes it a modern fighter .

Not to forget MK2 was not IAF requirement but navy's requirement for taking off from carrier, it's just IAF jump with navy

Wrong. When IAF found out the shortfalls of MK1 and that it won't be able to meet original ASR, it required the MK2 version with a higher thrust engine. The whole NLCA distraction came later only and the NLCA MK2 was only added above the IAF requirements, after it was clear that NLCA MK1 is nowhere near to be useful on carriers (but neither would be an MK2 version).

Secondly, if SU-30 had A2A capability, then why was MIG-29 was fielded and not SU-30?

The Mig 29 was already based on the western borders, in operational service for years and available in numbers. We only got the Su 30s by 97/98. Back then Mig 21, 23 and 29 were the prime A2A fighters in IAF.

 

[stew98]

That's quiet a revelation. don't quote me.

Because LCA in it's current stage is not capable to replace Mig 21s, let alone to compete with 4th gen fighters!

 

[Sancho]

That's quiet a revelation.

Not if you inform yourself properly, on what capabilities IOC has, what it lacks, or where the first squad is raised, compared to where Mig 21s are getting phased out.

 

[patriots]

IAF may take over Tejas project from HAL due to delays......and the source is anant krishnan.........................

http://idrw.org/iaf-may-take-over-tejas-project-from-hal-due-to-delays/



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[Sancho]

IAF may take over Tejas project from HAL due to delays......and the source is anant krishnan.........................

http://idrw.org/iaf-may-take-over-tejas-project-from-hal-due-to-delays/
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Original source here =>

Read more at: https://english.manoramaonline.com/...y-steer-tejas-to-overcome-project-delays.html

"The FOC deadlines have slipped many times and it is unlikely that ADA will tick off the pending points even by December 2018"

 

[Vilander]

I love the ignore option. Nice feature.

 

[Enquirer]

I love the ignore option. Nice feature.

I wish there also was an option to 'block' - so unruly elements don't have an opportunity to read & respond to my posts!
It seems like the forum encourages trolls, by not providing the 'block' option - which is the most fundamental option in all social media apps!

 

[Sancho]

Original source here =>

Read more at: https://english.manoramaonline.com/...y-steer-tejas-to-overcome-project-delays.html

Livefists take on the same topic and more doubts on ADA achiving FOC this year =>

Why The IAF’s New Push To Control Project LCA Amplifies All That’s Wrong
Shiv AroorJul 11 2018

...With the project administered by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and executed by HAL, the troubled path the jet project has taken is a well-told story. As the ADA struggles to achieve even final operational clearance (FOC) of the baseline LCA Tejas — and the fate of the more capable proposed LCA Tejas Mk.2 unclear for now — and HAL so far unable to offer clarity on whether it can churn out LCAs as fast as the customer wants them, the struggles that have defined Project LCA stand accentuated more than ever at this late hour. ...

Read more at:
https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...ol-project-lca-amplifies-all-thats-wrong.html

 

[patriots]

https://english.manoramaonline.com/...hal-readies-tejas-sp-10-for-first-flight.html

HAL readies Tejas SP-10 for first flight



Good news guys.....after a long time

HAL has a second Tejas line too running at its Aircraft Divisio,n which is working on SP-11, Sp-13 and SP-15.



As reported by Onmanorama earlier, the LCA Division has already loaded the parts of SP-21 on to the assembly facility.

 

[WolfPack86]

https://english.manoramaonline.com/...hal-readies-tejas-sp-10-for-first-flight.html

HAL readies Tejas SP-10 for first flight



Good news guys.....after a long time

HAL has a second Tejas line too running at its Aircraft Divisio,n which is working on SP-11, Sp-13 and SP-15.



As reported by Onmanorama earlier, the LCA Division has already loaded the parts of SP-21 on to the assembly facility.

Damn it is good news indeed i would be happy if foc happen very soon.