ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[Daredevil]

I think the leaks are from IAF because they are fed up with DRDO/HAL putting spanners in acquiring these engines with the promise of Snecma/Kaveri engine. These leaks also outsmarts MoD/PMO from politically interfering in these engine orders.

 

[Agantrope]

EJ200 for LCA and the EF2000 for the MRCA

kiya maqqabbala hi

 

[luckyy]

the tendor should be cannclled as even the L1 bid looks over priced

 

[smartindian]

^^^^^then ej 2000 is the best engine for lca in the present situation

 

[luckyy]

in two party tendor bidding , many posibilites take place behind the curtain..

 

[luckyy]

US Navy fiscal year 2007-2008 F414 engine production contract awarded to General Electric and worth approximately $340 million. The contract calls for the supply of 84 F414-GE-400 engines, 84 devices, 10 fan modules, 30 HPT modules and 18 LPT modules for the F/A-18E/F and EA-18G aircraft. The contract was announced on September 26, 2007. almost $4ml/F414 engine

GE bidded $822 million for 99 F414 engines , almost about $8.3ml/engine

European consortium bidded $666 million for 99 EJ200 engines , almost about $6.7ml/engine.

when GE could have bid 4-5ml/engine , why did they bid 8.3ml/engine..

didn't they delebratly make sure that EJ200 win , which bid at 6.7ml/engine...

but wny did they do so ?

 

[Yusuf]

Nothing fishy about anything. There are always variables involved and also its not necessary that a vendor charges the same to all. I am a businessman and i sell one single item at 5 different rates to 5 different people depending on who i am dealing with and the quantity required etc. Its pure business.

 

[luckyy]

Nothing fishy about anything. There are always variables involved and also its not necessary that a vendor charges the same to all. I am a businessman and i sell one single item at 5 different rates to 5 different people depending on who i am dealing with and the quantity required etc. Its pure business.

the two bidder might have shake-hand during the bidding .....when only two partics in the race ....Its pure business

 

[Rama]

there is nothing fishy about the offer made by EADS GERMANY IS PUSHING hard for this deal they have the financial means to do the best to win theMMRCA THEY WILL UNDER CUt THE offer made by BOEING

 

[Yusuf]

Entirely possible that EADS is giving the engine at no profit keeping the larger picture of MRCA in mind. Common practice in our business too. Sell one item at cost or even under cost and slaughter in another.

 

[SHASH2K2]

I think he is trying to point out that Boeing BID price was more that what it should have been. Could it be part of some back channel deals that EADS gets LCA Engine deal while Boeing gets MMRCA.

 

[Yusuf]

Why will that be the case?? IAF go for something that's common.

 

[luckyy]

I think he is trying to point out that Boeing BID price was more that what it should have been. Could it be part of some back channel deals that EADS gets LCA Engine deal while Boeing gets MMRCA.

exectly , GE BID price was more that what it should have been. Could it be part of some back channel deals with EADS

 

[Yusuf]

And GE in the process loses the order for another 500 engines when india goes for the typhoon to keeping common engine in mind and also screw its country the order for 126 fighters. The assumption is ridiculous.

 

[Daredevil]

This is a simply a stupid theory. Why would GE destroy its own business by cutting deals with EADS?. If GE was not interested in selling it would have simply not participated in the bid, why go through all this hoopla.

Thread closed. Use LCA thread for all LCA related discussion.

 

[EagleOne]

IAF Prefers Euro jet EJ200 engines for Tejas Mk-2

It has been widely reported in main stream media that Indian air force prefers European Euro jet Ej-200 engines for Tejas Mk-2, main stream media reported that newer core design of the engines and growth potential of the engine in future along with the key transfer of technology to India was decision behind preference of this particular engines.
But sources close to idrw.org have told that IAF was not keen on regular Ge official visits to HAL facilities to check engine conditions in Bangalore, we were told that IAF was keen on GE's F-414 engines earlier but it soon realized that time taken to integrate this Ge engines with Tejas Mk-2 will be same what Europeans will take , IAF team currently helping and working with ADA and HAL was miffed by denial of Consultation service for Tejas first to speed up its induction and its FOC and later American companies were again denied permission to consult on Naval Tejas Variant by US government , this could be main reason behind IAF becoming pro European in sudden change of heart . for both consultation European EADS makers of Euro Jet and Euro fighters were roped in .
IAF also is working with DRDO to change American engines which will be powering first 40 Engines with locally produced Kaveri engine way before 2018 time frame , IAF has already advised HAL and ADA to not to procure additional Ge engines for Tejas Mk-1 and replace them as soon as Kaveri engine hit production.
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[sachinkur]

someone plz through some light on Tejas Mk-2

 

[Daredevil]

someone plz through some light on Tejas Mk-2

Tejas Mk-2 is supposed to have the following improvements over Tejas Mk-1 (collated from various articles)

1) A new and powerful engine - GE414 or EJ200 with a dry engine thrust of 95-100 KN
2) Improved intake design
3) Increased wing span
4) Improved Radar - most likely an AESA radar.
5) Lighter LCA (decrease in weight with consultancy from EADS)
6) Improved Avionics if we are missing anything in Mk-1

 

[sachinkur]

Tejas Mk-2 is supposed to have the following improvements over Tejas Mk-1 (collated from various articles)

1) A new and powerful engine - GE414 or EJ200 with a dry engine thrust of 95-100 KN
2) Improved intake design
3) Increased wing span
4) Improved Radar - most likely an AESA radar.
5) Lighter LCA (decrease in weight with consultancy from EADS)
6) Improved Avionics if we are missing anything in Mk-1

1) at prasent the thrust of EJ-200 is 90 kn
2) doubtfull even i don,t think so
3) Yes
4) will be AESA radar most likely el-2050(hybrid)
5) Not possible bcz of havier Engine
6) yes

 

[nitesh]

little old article but quite good info about LCA

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/...2008030958701000.htm&date=2008/03/09/&prd=th&