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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

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  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

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Watch from 51:35 onwards:



If Prime Minister mentioning TEJAS along with - Slashing Prices of Stents used in Heart Surgery, SAARC Satellite, NAVIC navigation system, BHEEM Mobile Banking aap, RUPAY Debit Card.

Except from TEJAS, all other Achievements are Glaring Success towards Policy implementation.

If Prime Minister is mentioning TEJAS, along with his Resounding Policy Successes then this is SOMETHING TO TAKE NOTE OF.

No matter what IMPORT PASAND LOBBY want to see, this GOVERNMENT IS "STRONGLY PUSHING FOR TEJAS".

And this Government knows Technological, Indigenous, Strategic, Value of TEJAS, and will not let go in vain 3 Decades of R&D efforts in vain.

VENDE-MAATRAM
 

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Watch from 51:35 onwards:



If Prime Minister mentioning TEJAS along with - Slashing Prices of Stents used in Heart Surgery, SAARC Satellite, NAVIC navigation system, BHEEM Mobile Banking aap, RUPAY Debit Card.

Except from TEJAS, all other Achievements are Glaring Success towards Policy implementation.

If Prime Minister is mentioning TEJAS, along with his Resounding Policy Successes then this is SOMETHING TO TAKE NOTE OF.

No matter what IMPORT PASAND LOBBY want to see, this GOVERNMENT IS "STRONGLY PUSHING FOR TEJAS".

And this Government knows Technological, Indigenous, Strategic, Value of TEJAS, and will not let go in vain 3 Decades of R&D efforts in vain.

VENDE-MAATRAM
Tejas is a resounding success.......as I already mentioned in naval Tejas threads the ADA guy manning the stall at DRDO expo in Chennai last month said...
1)Tejas MK1,1a,2,naval Tejas will all see service
2)Kaveri will be fitted (retrofitted) in all varients....engine mounts of mk2 s made to accommodate Kaveri despite diff in size with f414
3)5 f414 engines has arrived
4)3rd naval prototype is being built by using Ada/hal funds n not navy's, engine testing of prototype in Dec....ADA has budgeted for even naval LSP (this show how serious they are)
5) Navy has indicated interest for atleast 50 naval tejas
....this is wat the ADA guy had to say, he was tight lipped initially but loosened up later.....naval Tejas timeline was bolt out of blue for me given the news swirling around in this forum reg it's demise...when I asked the guy reg naval chief comments he said navy doesn't want to pay n wanted others to shoulder cost n dat s just for internal consumption n not policy setting
 

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I would be really happy if any of u guys hv any other inside info from ADA to support the above info especially reg Naval tejas
 

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Tejas is a resounding success.......as I already mentioned in naval Tejas threads the ADA guy manning the stall at DRDO expo in Chennai last month said...
1)Tejas MK1,1a,2,naval Tejas will all see service
2)Kaveri will be fitted (retrofitted) in all varients....engine mounts of mk2 s made to accommodate Kaveri despite diff in size with f414
3)5 f414 engines has arrived
4)3rd naval prototype is being built by using Ada/hal funds n not navy's, engine testing of prototype in Dec....ADA has budgeted for even naval LSP (this show how serious they are)
5) Navy has indicated interest for atleast 50 naval tejas
....this is wat the ADA guy had to say, he was tight lipped initially but loosened up later.....naval Tejas timeline was bolt out of blue for me given the news swirling around in this forum reg it's demise...when I asked the guy reg naval chief comments he said navy doesn't want to pay n wanted others to shoulder cost n dat s just for internal consumption n not policy setting
man this sound music to my ear................................:biggrin2::biggrin2::bounce::bounce::bounce::india::india::balleballe::balleballe::balleballe:
 

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If you were following the forum then you'd know that SP-6 was delivered. SP-5 is being built on a production line(3 Ac's per year). It is a converted production line.

If you had known any of this you'd have made a matured statement.
1.5 production line (8 + 4). I was expecting at least 8 delivered this year. Only SP-4 and SP-6 delivered from December till August. :yawn:
 

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1.5 production line (8 + 4). I was expecting at least 8 delivered this year. Only SP-4 and SP-6 delivered from December till August. :yawn:
Can you please provide the source on 1.5 production line.

To my knowledge only (5+3) is active. Another production line of 8 aircraft is under construction.

SP-5 is constructed on Modified line. I can understand the delay.
 

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Can there be a thrust vectoring kaveri engine that can be fitted in the LCA? If so how will it enhance the performance?

I'm actually new to defence tech things.

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Can there be a thrust vectoring kaveri engine that can be fitted in the LCA? If so how will it enhance the performance?

I'm actually new to defence tech things.

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Yes, TVC nozzle can be mated with LCA's Engine but TVC is not able to share its full efficiency on SE jets.
 
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I am no fan of Ajai Shukla, but he can and does speak sense from time to time and provides pertinent information.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.jp/2017/08/tejas-fighter-finally-achieves.html

Some excerpts

Now, finally, HAL’s Tejas assembly line in Benguluru is meeting its targets. On a visit by Business Standard to the Tejas assembly line, HAL chief T Suvarna Raju has confirmed that eight Tejas fighters will roll off the line this year – the rated capacity of the assembly line.
This is important..Unless HAL chief is being overoptimistic, but he seems confident.

Furthermore, with an additional investment of Rs 1,231 crore sanctioned for enhancing capacity, the Tejas line is projected to build 10 fighters in 2018-19; and 16 Tejas Mark 1As each year from 2019-20 onwards.
More pleasing and important data points.

Thereafter, the line is expected to build the Tejas Mark II fighter, an advanced variant of the Tejas with a more powerful General Electric F-414 engine and upgraded avionics.
So Mark II is very much in line.

“HAL is now focusing mainly on putting together large assemblies that are built and supplied by private aerospace companies. That has allowed us to speed up work exponentially”, says Raju.
Finally HAL is doing what most jingos have been screaming for..

“It earlier took us 19 months to build a Tejas, from start to finish. This is now down to 11 months, and we will be building each Tejas in nine months by September this year”, says Raju..
HAL’s plan for expanding Tejas production to 16 fighters per year involves establishing a second assembly line. This has physically replaced the Hawk trainer line that is close to completing delivery of its orders.

The cost of Rs 1,231 crore is being half-funded by HAL, with the IAF and navy picking up the tab for the other half.
This is also important...Hawk line will be re-purposed for Tejas production...

Tejas is on the right track..It seems there is an implicit go ahead for Mark II and all further Tejas orders will be Mark II, which is why only 120 initial orders...
 

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Tejas fighter finally achieves production target


Eight Tejas to roll out this year; heavily outsourced to private sector

By Ajai Shukla
HAL, Bengaluru
Business Standard, 16th Aug 17


Since December 2013, when the indigenous Tejas fighter was operationally cleared to join the Indian Air Force (IAF), Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has struggled to establish an assembly line that could build the homegrown light fighter quickly and cheaply.

With just three Tejas delivered until this year out of the 20 ordered in 2013, the IAF’s complaint that the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) had taken too long in development gave way to the charge that HAL was not building the fighter fast enough to replace the IAF’s retiring MiG fighters.

HAL’s manufacturing shortfall became even starker last November, when the defence ministry cleared the acquisition of 83 more Tejas 1A fighters. This successor to the Tejas Mark 1, with four specified capability improvements, is required to enter production in 2019. This plan hinges on establishing a high-capacity assembly line.

Now, finally, HAL’s Tejas assembly line in Benguluru is meeting its targets. On a visit by Business Standard to the Tejas assembly line, HAL chief T Suvarna Raju has confirmed that eight Tejas fighters will roll off the line this year – the rated capacity of the assembly line.

Furthermore, with an additional investment of Rs 1,231 crore sanctioned for enhancing capacity, the Tejas line is projected to build 10 fighters in 2018-19; and 16 Tejas Mark 1As each year from 2019-20 onwards.


Thereafter, the line is expected to build the Tejas Mark II fighter, an advanced variant of the Tejas with a more powerful General Electric F-414 engine and upgraded avionics.


Outsourcing to private defence firms has been key to achieving HAL’s production targets. “HAL is now focusing mainly on putting together large assemblies that are built and supplied by private aerospace companies. That has allowed us to speed up work exponentially”, says Raju.

HAL has created five “Tier-1” suppliers that each build a part of the Tejas. The front fuselage is supplied by Dynamatic Technologies Ltd, Bengaluru; the centre fuselage by VEM Technologies, Hyderabad; rear fuselage by Alpha Tocol, Bengaluru; wings by Larsen & Toubro, Coimbatore; and the tail fin and rudder by National Aerospace Laboratory and Tata Advanced Materials Ltd.

Each of these Tier-1 suppliers sources components and sub-assemblies from lower-order Tier-2 and Tier-3 suppliers, creating an aerospace industry around the Tejas.

In addition, a range of equipment is sourced from other private firms that are emerging as players in the aerospace realm: avionics racks and air intakes from Lakshmi Machine Works, Coimbatore; electrical panels from Amphenol, Pune; slats and elevons from Aequs, Belgaum; pipelines from Rangson, Mysore, and precision mechanical assemblies from Sri Koteswara Cam Systems, Secunderabad.

HAL plans to eventually outsource 69 per cent of the production of Tejas structural modules, with just 31 per cent of the work done in-house – consisting mainly of assembly and equipping work.

A visit by Business Standard to the Tejas production hanger reveals the most technologically advanced production line that HAL has ever set up – significantly more high-tech than the Hawk advanced jet trainer line that was established with BAE Systems.

The production jigs, on which Tejas components are fabricated, are calibrated with lasers to an accuracy of 50-80 microns (one micron is one-thousandth of a millimeter). This ensures repeatability, which means that every component coming off a jig is precisely the same, and can be switched across aircraft.

There are also robotic machines to drill the thousands of holes that are required in each Tejas’ carbon “skin”. These robots drill in two days what manual drillers earlier took two months to do.


“It earlier took us 19 months to build a Tejas, from start to finish. This is now down to 11 months, and we will be building each Tejas in nine months by September this year”, says Raju.

HAL’s plan for expanding Tejas production to 16 fighters per year involves establishing a second assembly line. This has physically replaced the Hawk trainer line that is close to completing delivery of its orders.

The cost of Rs 1,231 crore is being half-funded by HAL, with the IAF and navy picking up the tab for the other half.
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http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...chieves-production-target-117081500914_1.html
 

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An indigenous ‘on-board oxygen generating system’ designed for light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas. With the development of ‘Integrated Life Support System-On Board Oxygen Generating System (ILSS-OBOGS)’ India joined the elite club of five countries who have established and mastered the technology in the field of ILSS for military flying. Developed by Debel, a DRDO lab focused on the development of bio‐medical and electro‐medical soldier support systems, the advanced ILSS‐OBOGS addresses the need for preventing in‐flight hypoxia (a particular problem during high-altitude flying and emergency escape) and gravity-induced loss of consciousness during high G-maneuvers.

The system uses the bleed air from the aircraft’s engine to produce oxygen, instead of the usual liquid oxygen based system. The technology consists of OBOGS that provides oxygen for breathing, a breathing regulator that supplies the breathing gas to the aircrew at desired flow and pressure, an Anti-G-Valve (AGV) that inflates the anti-gravity suit to apply desired counter pressure and an Electronic Controller Unit (ECU) to coordinate various functions. The system is helpful in long endurance flights. This system gets integrated within the confined space available in the aircraft. It replaces the Liquid Oxygen based system (LOX) by utilizing bleed air from the aircraft engine by separating oxygen from other components by a process based on Pressure Swing Adsorption (PSA) technology. This will prove to be beneficial as the LCA has lesser space to store the liquid oxygen. It also provides improved safety, reduced logistics and significantly lowered operational costs. The ILSS-OBOGS has the versatility to be customized to the needs of other fighter aircraft like MIG-29, Sukhoi-30 Mk1 and Mirage-2000.

A dedicated solid-state oxygen sensor to sense oxygen concentration in the breathing gas is an integral part of the system. In addition, many other subsystems that provide back‐up or redundancy and also impart life support during emergency escape are integral to the ILSS‐OBOGS.




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Tejas has got an IFF feature.

The IFF system developed by CABS, basically consists of interrogator and transponder subsystems for air – air (IFF-AA) and air to ground (IFF-AG) interrogation. Targets / aircrafts fitted with a compatible transponder (IFF 1410A) receives the coded signal sent by the interrogator and replies in the specified direction with another coded signal. These are received by the interrogator, processed and sent to the radar data processor on the MIL-STD-1553 Bus and the display units.



 

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Tejas fighter finally achieves production target


Eight Tejas to roll out this year; heavily outsourced to private sector

By Ajai Shukla
HAL, Bengaluru
Business Standard, 16th Aug 17


Since December 2013, when the indigenous Tejas fighter was operationally cleared to join the Indian Air Force (IAF), Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has struggled to establish an assembly line that could build the homegrown light fighter quickly and cheaply.

With just three Tejas delivered until this year out of the 20 ordered in 2013, the IAF’s complaint that the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) had taken too long in development gave way to the charge that HAL was not building the fighter fast enough to replace the IAF’s retiring MiG fighters.

HAL’s manufacturing shortfall became even starker last November, when the defence ministry cleared the acquisition of 83 more Tejas 1A fighters. This successor to the Tejas Mark 1, with four specified capability improvements, is required to enter production in 2019. This plan hinges on establishing a high-capacity assembly line.

Now, finally, HAL’s Tejas assembly line in Benguluru is meeting its targets. On a visit by Business Standard to the Tejas assembly line, HAL chief T Suvarna Raju has confirmed that eight Tejas fighters will roll off the line this year – the rated capacity of the assembly line.

Furthermore, with an additional investment of Rs 1,231 crore sanctioned for enhancing capacity, the Tejas line is projected to build 10 fighters in 2018-19; and 16 Tejas Mark 1As each year from 2019-20 onwards.


Thereafter, the line is expected to build the Tejas Mark II fighter, an advanced variant of the Tejas with a more powerful General Electric F-414 engine and upgraded avionics.


Outsourcing to private defence firms has been key to achieving HAL’s production targets. “HAL is now focusing mainly on putting together large assemblies that are built and supplied by private aerospace companies. That has allowed us to speed up work exponentially”, says Raju.

HAL has created five “Tier-1” suppliers that each build a part of the Tejas. The front fuselage is supplied by Dynamatic Technologies Ltd, Bengaluru; the centre fuselage by VEM Technologies, Hyderabad; rear fuselage by Alpha Tocol, Bengaluru; wings by Larsen & Toubro, Coimbatore; and the tail fin and rudder by National Aerospace Laboratory and Tata Advanced Materials Ltd.

Each of these Tier-1 suppliers sources components and sub-assemblies from lower-order Tier-2 and Tier-3 suppliers, creating an aerospace industry around the Tejas.

In addition, a range of equipment is sourced from other private firms that are emerging as players in the aerospace realm: avionics racks and air intakes from Lakshmi Machine Works, Coimbatore; electrical panels from Amphenol, Pune; slats and elevons from Aequs, Belgaum; pipelines from Rangson, Mysore, and precision mechanical assemblies from Sri Koteswara Cam Systems, Secunderabad.

HAL plans to eventually outsource 69 per cent of the production of Tejas structural modules, with just 31 per cent of the work done in-house – consisting mainly of assembly and equipping work.

A visit by Business Standard to the Tejas production hanger reveals the most technologically advanced production line that HAL has ever set up – significantly more high-tech than the Hawk advanced jet trainer line that was established with BAE Systems.

The production jigs, on which Tejas components are fabricated, are calibrated with lasers to an accuracy of 50-80 microns (one micron is one-thousandth of a millimeter). This ensures repeatability, which means that every component coming off a jig is precisely the same, and can be switched across aircraft.

There are also robotic machines to drill the thousands of holes that are required in each Tejas’ carbon “skin”. These robots drill in two days what manual drillers earlier took two months to do.


“It earlier took us 19 months to build a Tejas, from start to finish. This is now down to 11 months, and we will be building each Tejas in nine months by September this year”, says Raju.

HAL’s plan for expanding Tejas production to 16 fighters per year involves establishing a second assembly line. This has physically replaced the Hawk trainer line that is close to completing delivery of its orders.

The cost of Rs 1,231 crore is being half-funded by HAL, with the IAF and navy picking up the tab for the other half.
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9 months to build a jet, by this capacity when will we replace all the junk fighters from service?
We need atleast 20-25 each year to project power.
Chinese are mass producing the J-10 just like cars.
 

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An indigenous ‘on-board oxygen generating system’ designed for light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas. With the development of ‘Integrated Life Support System-On Board Oxygen Generating System (ILSS-OBOGS)’ India joined the elite club of five countries who have established and mastered the technology in the field of ILSS for military flying. Developed by Debel, a DRDO lab focused on the development of bio‐medical and electro‐medical soldier support systems, the advanced ILSS‐OBOGS addresses the need for preventing in‐flight hypoxia (a particular problem during high-altitude flying and emergency escape) and gravity-induced loss of consciousness during high G-maneuvers.

The system uses the bleed air from the aircraft’s engine to produce oxygen, instead of the usual liquid oxygen based system. The technology consists of OBOGS that provides oxygen for breathing, a breathing regulator that supplies the breathing gas to the aircrew at desired flow and pressure, an Anti-G-Valve (AGV) that inflates the anti-gravity suit to apply desired counter pressure and an Electronic Controller Unit (ECU) to coordinate various functions. The system is helpful in long endurance flights. This system gets integrated within the confined space available in the aircraft. It replaces the Liquid Oxygen based system (LOX) by utilizing bleed air from the aircraft engine by separating oxygen from other components by a process based on Pressure Swing Adsorption (PSA) technology. This will prove to be beneficial as the LCA has lesser space to store the liquid oxygen. It also provides improved safety, reduced logistics and significantly lowered operational costs. The ILSS-OBOGS has the versatility to be customized to the needs of other fighter aircraft like MIG-29, Sukhoi-30 Mk1 and Mirage-2000.

A dedicated solid-state oxygen sensor to sense oxygen concentration in the breathing gas is an integral part of the system. In addition, many other subsystems that provide back‐up or redundancy and also impart life support during emergency escape are integral to the ILSS‐OBOGS.




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Bhai, you apologise too much...
It's fine even if it was posted before, exception can be made for new members...
 

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9 months to build a jet, by this capacity when will we replace all the junk fighters from service?
We need atleast 20-25 each year to project power.
Chinese are mass producing the J-10 just like cars.
If we see the case of Tejas it is in its initial stage of production. JF-17 was inducted in 2007 as incomplete. In initial stage only 3 JF-17 were manufactured in one year. HAL is manufacturing 4 per year in initial stage.

Also HAL has many other woes like manufacturing Su-30 MKI , Dornier 228, will be manufacturing HTT40 from next year, HTT36 manufacturing has been put on Hold, Hawk-I will be manufactured(if any one orders it)

Chinese though have got a large air force they face the same problem as us : Obsolete aircrafts.

PLAAF has 290× J-7 plus 40× J-7 trainers in service ( third gen jet ) , 130 Q-5s Attack jets ( based on Mig-19 ) and PLAAF needs more advanced jets to replace them from service. And no one can beat Chinese in production though
 

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9 months to build a jet, by this capacity when will we replace all the junk fighters from service?
We need atleast 20-25 each year to project power.
Chinese are mass producing the J-10 just like cars.
Problem is the IAF hasn't placed enough orders- the 16/year is the MOST HAL can deliver considering they need to keep the production running until 2024-5 when the MK.2 will be ready to enter production. If the IAF ordered another 40 or so HAL could increase production to 22-24/year no problem.

It is not HAL's fault that production will be low, hopefully the IAF places more orders for the Mk.1A soon instead of crying about how they don't have enough fighters- HERE IS THE SOLUTION!
 

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Ajay shukla tentative plan to deliver by 2024-25 is good but the question is whether HAL can produce another 7(SP-6 delivered) by 31st Mar 2018 and keep building production capacity in time. There will be most likely slippage this year :frusty:.

HAL has good opportunity to deliver better than expected and bury SE aircraft tender by GOI. Every slippage is one more excuse for importing latest and greatest AC. More orders will only come if HAL keeps its word on completing Mk1A and delivering AC's on schedule.

Tejas production schedule
2017-18 8 (IOC standard)
2018-19 10 ...

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/
 
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