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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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nitesh

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Guys let's not break our head for the T/R modules there was a DRDO newsletter (July 2008?) which mentions about the T/R modules developed for the AESA, most probably the problem is with the out put power those modules where generating was not enough. I am sure some progress could have been made in that arena but not sure what level it is currently.
 

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LCA-Tejas has completed 1394 Test Flights successfully. (17-June-10).

LCA has completed 1394 Test Flights successfully
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-151,PV3-221,LSP1-59,LSP2-154,PV5-15,LSP3-12,LSP4-2).
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Any reason why sortie rate of LSP-1 is so low?
 

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IndiaThoughtLeaders:Ownership Feeling Among Tejas Users Has Increased, Says ADA Chief

Tejas, India's light combat aircraft (LCA), is finally giving goose bumps to thousands of engineers, designers, scientists and technocrats. The limited series production (LSP) platforms are hitting the sky like nobody's business. There's excitement in the air. There's hope. And there's a goal that's just within their reach. Amidst all the news of the initial operational clearance (IOC) within sight and the near-services version configuration (LSP-4) flying recently, one man is calm and composed, for he knows the end of one journey is just the beginning of another.

In a one-on-one with Aviation Week's Senior Aerospace and Defense Correspondent (India) Anantha Krishnan M., as part of the interview series India Thought Leaders (ITL), Program Director (Combat Aircraft) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) Director P.S. Subramanyam (known among close peers as P.S.), says the technological knowledge gained through the Tejas program is sure to make India a force to be reckoned with in all future military plane-making missions.

A.W.: What will be the power plant for Tejas Mark-II? Is it GE-414 or EJ-200?

P.S.: You are in an aggressive mode with the first question itself! OK, we are working toward having the Tejas Mk-II rollout by September 2013 and the Indian Air Force (IAF) would probably want to form five squadrons and the program will then go on to 8-10 years. Apart from structural and certain electronics equipment upgradation, the main change will be the power plant. Both engines (GE-414 and EJ-200) qualify our requirements and now there's a process to be followed. [The] technical evaluation committee has seen it. One engine will be chosen. Both engines have 10%-20% faster acceleration than the current power plant (GE -404). It is not about the Mach number in operations that matter, but how fast you reach the target. By December 2014 Tejas Mk-II with the new engine will fly.

A.W.: What are the value additions on offer for the Indian Air Force (IAF) when Tejas Mark-II comes out?

P.S.: We are adopting a very holistic approach. Minor alterations are required on the platform due to the new engine and we hope to strike a balance. While the new platforms (Mk-I) will be integrated as per the series production plans, parallel work on the manufacturing of ground support equipment would begin. We shall maintain the IAF standards of ground support (go-no-go). We will evolve entire ground support tools, training facilities, publications for Mk-I by the end of this year. To start with, we will have the IAF and HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) technicians trained in Bangalore. By 2012, when the first squadron shifts to Sulur, IAF technicians will be ready to tackle things. I have been to Sulur and have given some suggestions for runway extension.

A.W.: What are the numbers we are looking at?

P.S.: Once we choose the new engine and after it gets certified by the agencies, we would initially want eight engines for IAF and the Navy. A total of 100 engines is what is currently envisaged.

A.W.: No other program has received so much media bashing in addition to genuine concerns from your users. What was the motivational thread you adopted during these difficult times?

P.S.: I don't want to comment on the media, though at times we did think of putting [in] a firefighting plan to counter one-sided remarks in the press. Later, we decided against it, knowing that it would divert our focus from the main goal. Yes, we had difficulties as we were attempting to do something that has never been done in this country. Yes, we slipped because we had to face many challenges from different quarters while mastering technologies. But don't forget the fact that my team took the blow but finally delivered. Now, to the users. We understand their concerns and even they, too, are aware of our constraints. The project has definitely received a huge push after a project management team from IAF started functioning from ADA. They are the pacemakers for the program now and involved in every bit. This has also increased the ownership feeling among the users.

A.W.: So far LSP-4 has flown and what is the road ahead?

P.S.: The next one in line is LSP-5 and it will fly in the first week of August this year with slight modifications to the cockpit. We are confident of flying LSP-7 in September 2010 and the final LSP-8 in December 2010, paving way for the initial operational clearance (IOC). We are making LSP-6 a complete experimental platform. LSP-7 and LSP-8 will be flown by user pilots for user evaluation and feedback. HAL will begin the series production by the first quarter of 2011.

A.W.: Can you elaborate on the cockpit modification?

P.S.: It will be [a] rearranged and modified cockpit to increase the comfort levels of the pilot. The layout changes will make the glass cockpit more pilot-friendly and even enhance its night-flying capabilities. The pilots are happy as they are also doubling up as designers. Our efforts are to bring down the workload of pilots during the mission. All the 12 pilots who were part of the Tejas program from the beginning have contributed their bit to the cockpit modifications. Several design elements you see today are based on the ideas given by the pilots. The pilot is the man in action and our role is to ensure that we give him everything he needs while flying. The new cockpit will be a pilot's delight.

A.W.: Finally, how is the relationship with your principle partner HAL?

P.S.: All is well. I don't know anything more or less than what you know or don't.

(This interview primarily focused on Tejas Mk-1 and Mk-11 versions and other developmental issues related to the program only. Aviation Week at a later stage will provide more extensive reports on Tejas technologies, composites, weapons and the Tejas Navy version.)

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?topicName=india&id=news/awx/2010/06/25/awx_06_25_2010_p0-236996.xml
 

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Why AW forgot to ask what is exactly meant by "LSP-6 a complete experimental platform"? There must be some desired and planed list of experiments. May be someone convey AW to ask specific questions...

BTW its looks like ADA has delayed LSP-5, earlier it was reported that LSP-5 will fly in 2 weeks from first flight date of LSP-4.
 

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Rahul by any chance LSP 6 sporting kaveri ? Previously it was supposed to be PV1 (not sure though)
 

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Nitesh IMO no, all LSPs are production aircraft which will form initial batch of first squadron. So, i feel ADA will not go for something nasty just before induction ceremony.

My guess, experiments mean testing jet for high AoA(can't say it means beyond 24*) and 9 g STR(not sure it can be done with present engine). I can't think anything beyond these two..
 

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What is this AESA mock up for? Can any Gurus identify this? is it an AESA proposed by EADS for LCA. it is quite diffferent from the LRDE mock up model posted by Livefist!!!!
The Label on the board says AESA for LCA!!!! The Antenna array reminds me of that of ZHUK AESA for MIG-35 by phazotron.
 
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http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_ski-jump-take-off-for-light-combat-aircraft-tejas_1401783
Ski-jump take-off for light combat aircraft Tejas

The Naval Air Station in Goa is quietly readying a first-of-its-kind facility in India for flight tests on the light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas naval variant. The shore-based test facility (SBTF), when fully-operational, will be the third such test facility in the world after the US and Ukrainian navies. "After the initial flight tests, we will shift all action to SBTF.
 

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What is this AESA mock up for? Can any Gurus identify this? is it an AESA proposed by EADS for LCA. it is quite diffferent from the LRDE mock up model posted by Livefist!!!!
The Label on the board says AESA for LCA!!!! The Antenna array reminds me of that of ZHUK AESA for MIG-35 by phazotron.
that was a speculatory image posted at AOA blog. here -

http://angle-of-attack.blogspot.com/2010/04/lca-radar-is-aesa.html

which was clarified later here -

http://angle-of-attack.blogspot.com/2010/04/lca-radar-is-not-aesa.html

however that picture resembles a bit to the CAPTOR aesa of eurofighter. here -

http://www.selex-sas.com/EN/Common/files/SELEX_Galileo/Products/CAPTOR.pdf
 

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ppgj!!! Thanks for the clarification. This mock up looks more professional than the LRDE Graphic model.
 
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Air Force says DRDO stalling Tejas fighter engine

IAF feels DRDO fronting for French engine, citing "joint development"

by Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 28th Jun 10

India's Tejas light fighter is failing to meet performance targets, largely because of an underpowered engine. And the Indian Air Force believes that the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) is actively stalling the process of choosing a new engine.

A furious IAF, which urgently needs the Tejas to replace its retiring MiG-21 squadrons, has complained in writing to the Ministry of Defence. The IAF report says that even as the Aeronautical Development Agency or ADA --- which oversees the Tejas programme --- is choosing between two powerful, modern engines from the global market, the DRDO has confused the issue by throwing up a third option: an offer to resurrect its failed Kaveri engine programme, this time in partnership with French engine-maker, Snecma.

The IAF report, currently with the highest levels of the MoD, makes two points. Firstly, since the DRDO has been unable, over two decades, to deliver a Kaveri engine that can power the Tejas, the ongoing procurement --- of either the General Electric F-414, or the Eurojet EJ200 engine --- should go ahead.

The IAF's second objection is even more damning for the DRDO: Snecma, the IAF charges, has already developed the heart of the engine it is offering, an uprated derivative of the M88-2 engine that powers the French Rafale fighter. The DRDO, therefore, will not co-develop the engine with the DRDO, but merely provide Snecma with an indigenous stamp. In reality the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), the DRDO laboratory that has laboured for decades on the Kaveri, will hardly participate in any "joint development".

Furthermore, says a top IAF source, a Kaveri engine based on Snecma's new core will leave the Tejas short of performance, providing barely 83-85 Kilonewtons (KN) of maximum thrust. In contrast, the GE and Eurojet engines already short-listed for selection provide 90-96 KN, a significant advantage. The source says sneaking in the underpowered Kaveri-Snecma engine through the GTRE back door will damage the LCA project.

For the IAF, the performance of the new engine is crucial. It has agreed to accept the Tejas into service as soon as the fighter obtains its Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) in December, even though the Tejas does not yet fly, climb, turn or accelerate fast enough. The IAF's accommodation is based on a promise from the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) --- the body that oversees the Tejas' development --- that a new, more powerful engine will overcome all the Tejas' current performance shortfalls.

Senior IAF officers explain that the DRDO needs the Tejas project to endorse the Kaveri-Snecma engine because Snecma insists on a minimum assured order of 300 engines as a pre-condition for partnering GTRE in "joint development". Since India's futuristic Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA) --- the other potential user of a Kaveri-Snecma engine --- has not yet been sanctioned, only the Tejas programme, with some 120-140 fighters planned, provides the numbers needed for satisfying Snecma.

The IAF will buy two squadrons (42 fighters) of Tejas Mark 1, which use older GE F-404 engines. In addition, five squadrons (110 fighters) of Tejas Mark 2 are planned, which will be powered by a new engine. Given that each Tejas could go through 2-3 engines during its lifetime, the LCA Mk 2 will actually need 200-300 of the new engines.

Contacted by Business Standard, the DRDO has declined to comment on the subject.

Business Standard has already reported (12 Dec 09, "Kaveri engine comes alive; will power Indian fighters") that the MoD is backing Kaveri-Snecma as a new engine for the LCA. That report was corroborated on 13th May 10 by Defence Minister AK Antony, who told parliament that the Kaveri "requires to be optimised for lower weight and higher performance so that it can be used for Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas and possibly for Indian next generation combat Aircraft."

But there are mixed signals from the establishment. In the same statement, Antony also talked about the possibility of engine import. And the ADA chief, PS Subramaniam, has told Business Standard, "There are many Tejas already flying that will soon need new engines and we will use the Kaveri-Snecma engines for those. The Tejas Mark 2 will be powered by either GE F-414 or the EJ200."

According to ADA sources, both the GE and Eurojet engines have fully met the technical requirements for the Tejas Mk 2. The Eurojet EJ200 is the more modern, lighter, flexible engine and has impressed the IAF. The GE F-414 is significantly heavier, but provides more power. The Indian tender for 99 engines (plus options) demands that all engines after the first 10 be built in India
 

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If this is true then it is very very ridiculous on part of DRDO. Why DRDO is forgetting that by favoring one of its lab in reality it is creating hell for other?

The prime reason behing de-linking Kaveri from project LCA was to put problem laden project on fast track. And when IAF is convinced and buying MK-1 and decided to allow ADA to develope MK-2 the DRDO is bringing problems back in by re-linking Kaveri with LCA.

What will happen to engine(considering JV engine delivers >100KN thrust) if IAF gets annoyed to level that it decides against buying Tejas? Frankly DRDO should not try to cross limits and test IAF's patience and should keep in mind that worst can still happen. Beware!

IMO LRDE AESA project should also be de-linked from MK-2. Quick development and delivery of MK-2 should be at priority one and easiest possible way should be choosen by selecting a foreign AESA MMR and engine. LRDE AESA and Kaveri JV should aim at MK-3 or one which will be produced after 2018-19..
 
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Honestly guys, DRDO may be making some good products for India but they do have something called as EGO. They want to make sure that the forces uses every product they make, irrespective how much time it takes they want the forces to wait.
They delayed the kaveri, arjun, akash etc by years. Its no wonder why our forces sometimes look at other international defence manufacturers for weapons. Now they want to save their pride by making sure they joint develop engines for lca. Its been already years since engines for lca is an issue. They want to make IAF angry more with delays. Buying either GE 414 or ef200 is the only soln for immediate requirement of lca.

I would like to add something on personal note. Met someone who works in DRDO. He says the working style of most people is no better than in govt office. Most of them just come for bench warming and delay their given work by months.
 

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Well this report is not true DRDO is no way blocking it it is all MoD and the tech transfer issue. DRDO is already ok with de linking of kaveri with LCA
 

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and i have heard that
Plans to equip the LCA with Kaveri have practically been shelved, but for political reasons there has been no official announcement to this effect
 

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Tejas to get "HF" Designation by year end

Last Fighter aircraft to get HF (Hindustan Fighter) Designation was HF-24 Marut , almost five decades ago when Marut first flew in late 50"²s , Tejas will get HF Designation by year end at the same time when IOC ( initial operational clearance ) is achieved .

HAL and ADA have send a file containing possible HF designations based on various parameters. Parameters include year of project start ,first roll out, or the first flight it self .
after HF Designation has been granted LCA Tag will be completely dropped and will not be used further officially .

Hindustan is added to every aircraft produced in India for very long time now , even new aircrafts has per their usage are given Designation , Trainer are designated Hindustan Trainer (HT-2) or Hindustan Jet Trainer (HJT-36) , Hindustan Turbo Trainer (HTT-40) and Hindustan Fighter for a fighter aircraft ,it been long five decades for this designation to be revived .

http://idrw.org/?p=2205
 
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