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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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India's indigenously developed supersonic fighter aircraft to be developed into a stealth platform.

Among these would be a programme to integrate technologies developed as part of India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft [AMCA] programme into the Light Combat Aircraft [LCA], Tejas. This variant would be identified as Mark III.

The Mk. 3 is to have up to 70% composite content, almost double the current version's level
Source : Stealth version of India's Light Combat Aircraft [LCA] Tejas, Mk. 3 on the cards - AA Me, IN
 

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India's indigenously developed supersonic fighter aircraft to be developed into a stealth platform.



Source : Stealth version of India's Light Combat Aircraft [LCA] Tejas, Mk. 3 on the cards - AA Me, IN
These are symposium talks. They are well...talks only. Why quote a 2012 news item which our present DM may not even be aware of ? Even the AMCA has been put on back burner by the present regime. As for V.K. Saraswat, he always promised big things (Nirbhay, MIRV, Theatre Missile Defence System, Stealth Technology) as DRDO Head, but delivered very little - only Agni-V.
Suvarna Raju of HAL denied any plan for MK III in firseeable future.
 

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Even the AMCA has been put on back burner by the present regime. As for V.K. Saraswat, he always promised big things (Nirbhay, MIRV, Theatre Missile Defence System, Stealth Technology) as DRDO Head, but delivered very little
Well MK-III is is nothing but technical spillover from AMCA development on to LCA which was always there if and when AMCA is built. Well we don't have 1.5 billion dollars for AMCA development but we have 8.8 billion dollars for 36 Rafales .
 

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Official information released by Official people, Regardless of time it does not lose its weight ..

Their are limited heads working after Tejas project, Unless work on MK1 finished their will be no MK2 and like wise no work on MK3 unless MK2 is ready same for AMCA .

Such things should not be mention on media on first place, But again what`s the progress on such project best kept out of public channels ..

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Can you share the link where it said so .. ?

These are symposium talks. They are well...talks only. Why quote a 2012 news item which our present DM may not even be aware of ? Even the AMCA has been put on back burner by the present regime. As for V.K. Saraswat, he always promised big things (Nirbhay, MIRV, Theatre Missile Defence System, Stealth Technology) as DRDO Head, but delivered very little - only Agni-V.
Suvarna Raju of HAL denied any plan for MK III in firseeable future.
 

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Well MK-III is is nothing but technical spillover from AMCA development on to LCA which was always there if and when AMCA is built. Well we don't have 1.5 billion dollars for AMCA development but we have 8.8 billion dollars for 36 Rafales .
You have a point, but I think Mr. Parikar is waiting for the right engine selection for AMCA first. He is a technocrat, so if he first sanctions money and something goes wrong again regarding engines, then delay will happen which will increase cost. So he is cautious in my view.
 

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My two paise.

Merely because an article is old, you cannot discount it.

I remember a person by the name of Arun Vishwakarma used to own a blog and wrote extensively about various future versions of Agnis. Almost all of his content has found real life examples now after about 15 years. He also mentioned a lot about how the nuclear agreement with US was going to hobble development of India's nuclear capabilities and that too has happened nearly the way he used to. During the K. Santhanam days he used to write about limitations of our nuclear warheads and the later developments in missile throw masses, has only gone to confirm all that. I used to suspect that he was an highly educated PR person from DRDO. Probably he was. At least he was highly educated but then things that nobody could have believed 15 years back were all indicated and they nearly all happened nearly the same way.

LCA is an excellent idea to develop further. Most people do not realize that the core team that first froze the basic characterstics of LcA were trained in US and these people were deeply influenced by engineering ideas from the west. Effectively what the old LCA team did was they transplanted the best and most cost effective ideas of western countries here in India even when the western countries themselves abandoned these ideas in favour of more lavish and bigger projects that had that much more politico-economic clout.

To cut to the chase the latest does not mean the right or the best. It may just as easily mean half-done.

LCA becoming a quasi-stealthy plane is a definite possibility given:
1) LCA already makes use of RAM, Y shaped intakes, honeycombed core CFC skined tail fin for high radar transparency, does not employ an unnecessarily large number of control surfaces, has a wing that merges smoothly into the upper body, creating no awkward reflection zones.
2) LCA will in future definitely have an IRST and an AESA.
4) Engine, in the words of test pilots 'sips' fuel and will be very efficient with fuel burn.
3) If you work on the cockpit and give it enclosed weapons pods then LCA can become a very difficult thing to spot during a merge.

All aspect stealth may not even be needed with so much going for LCA.
 

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We are expecting this after MK2 that is 2022, After 2026 we might see it in service that is pretty long time to come ....
 

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HAL shows it cards.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...varna-raju/articleshow/51834356.cms?prtpage=1
Do you think the recent US offer for the production of F 16 and F/A 18 fighters in India are viable?
Neither aircraft could win the (air force's) medium multirole combat aircraft ( MMRCA) competition. So I really don't know. It is not very attractive and I sincerely don't know how serious they are. The F 16 production has stopped and I am sure a parallel line for the F/A 18 won't be worth it. There are reports that the fighters are being considered as we may have a gap of 200 aircraft of the LCA class by 2021. If this is true, the gap can be filled up by increasing production rate of LCA. In the new defence procurement policy, an Indian designed and manufactured system has top priority which the LCA fits into and the others don't.
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How involved will the private sector be in the production of the LCA aircraft in India?
The first 20 aircraft will be completed by 2018, by when we have to make a Mk 1A version of the aircraft. We are ramping up production to 16 aircraft a year. We have recently issued request for quotations to the private players to supply modules like fuselage parts and wings. If we can get this from the private sector, we can increase production to 25 aircraft a year.
So, we are looking for capacity augmentation with these private players. We are looking at a concept in which HAL is an integrator that has some 20% (of total) work in the hangers. The remaining 80% of work can be off loaded to the industry. If a private company for example is setting up a shop for composites manufacturing, it will be assured for business for many years.
Re-posting report ..

HAL shows it cards.
 

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We are expecting this after MK2 that is 2022, After 2026 we might see it in service that is pretty long time to come ....
Help will be sought from SAAB in regards to Mk.2. Will we see similar help from SAAB to design Mk.3 or will it be completely indegeanous effort?
 

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My two paise.

LCA is an excellent idea to develop further. Most people do not realize that the core team that first froze the basic characterstics of LcA were trained in US and these people were deeply influenced by engineering ideas from the west. Effectively what the old LCA team did was they transplanted the best and most cost effective ideas of western countries here in India even when the western countries themselves abandoned these ideas in favour of more lavish and bigger projects that had that much more politico-economic clout.

LCA becoming a quasi-stealthy plane is a definite possibility given:
1) LCA already makes use of RAM, Y shaped intakes, honeycombed core CFC skined tail fin for high radar transparency, does not employ an unnecessarily large number of control surfaces, has a wing that merges smoothly into the upper body, creating no awkward reflection zones.
2) LCA will in future definitely have an IRST and an AESA.
4) Engine, in the words of test pilots 'sips' fuel and will be very efficient with fuel burn.
3) If you work on the cockpit and give it enclosed weapons pods then LCA can become a very difficult thing to spot during a merge.

All aspect stealth may not even be needed with so much going for LCA.
Completely agree with your points.

In addition to those, as HAL Chief has said, "In the new defence procurement policy, an Indian designed and manufactured system has top priority which the LCA fits into and the others don't."

Hence my two paisa will always be on "Yel Cee Ye" as long as Shri Narendra Modi is Pradhan Mantri & Shri Manohar Parrikar is Raksha Mantri.
 

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Help will be sought from SAAB in regards to Mk.2. Will we see similar help from SAAB to design Mk.3 or will it be completely indegeanous effort?
Sir, would you please explain "Why SaaB" ?

By no standards, Gripen E / Gripen NG can be termed as World Beater. SaaB has neither demonstrated its 5th gen fighter designs.

In comparison with capabilities of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Sukhoi, Mikoyan design team SaaB doesn't stand at the same level.

So why SaaB ?
 

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Sir, would you please explain "Why SaaB" ?

By no standards, Gripen E / Gripen NG can be termed as World Beater. SaaB has neither demonstrated its 5th gen fighter designs.

In comparison with capabilities of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Sukhoi, Mikoyan design team SaaB doesn't stand at the same level.

So why SaaB ?
Saab is really good at executing developmental projects like this with time and cost constrains.

They are willing to help HAL.

 

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Sir, would you please explain "Why SaaB" ?

By no standards, Gripen E / Gripen NG can be termed as World Beater. SaaB has neither demonstrated its 5th gen fighter designs.

In comparison with capabilities of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Sukhoi, Mikoyan design team SaaB doesn't stand at the same level.

So why SaaB ?
Sir, would you please explain "Why SaaB" ?

By no standards, Gripen E / Gripen NG can be termed as World Beater. SaaB has neither demonstrated its 5th gen fighter designs.

In comparison with capabilities of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Sukhoi, Mikoyan design team SaaB doesn't stand at the same level.

So why SaaB ?
Hmm, no I have read it in news a week ago. You can search too. I don't know for Mk.3, but SAAB is giving some additional technical knowhow regarding Mk.2.
 
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