ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[Pandora]

I believe .................

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I hope it does but I think it is a fallacy on our part that we always compare a weapon of a class with enemy's weapon of the same class, meaning, we compare Tejas with JF17 as if planes can only fight with planes, and we compare our tanks with Al Khalid as if tanks can only fight with tanks. I remember reading on many forums, people were upset that we still use the old T72 and were wondering why it wasn't phased out yet. It serves as a carrier platform for our Aakash missiles, nag missiles, our radars and other things. It can be used in air defense roles. Similarly, there is no compulsion that Tejas should only fight with JF17, we could use it to kill Paki tanks as well. The holistic defense planning mandates these things so we should not do weapon vs weapon type comparisons.

We have a complex air defense environment whereby maybe we have reserved a ground based SAM to deal with JF17, and maybe Tejas is for other electronic warfare roles. There are things this plane has that others don't. Like its electronics has been hardened tested against EMP blasts, the electronic warfare suit itself is some sort of cutting edge indigenous thing made by Kalam. Most people only know the standard issue EW suit which we buy from Israel but we have some hidden weapons which we will show only during war.

Tejas will more like serve as an information conduit between satellites at the top, air superiority fighters like SU30 below them, then Tejas, then ground attack helicopters. That's where the Tejas fits in. A flying electronic warfare machine. I don't see it as engaging in dogfights with Porkis. Maybe its secondary roles will be hitting Paki SAMs, command and control bunkers and so on.

I am not comparing Tejas with JF 17. It is absolutely no match so as chinese shit J10 and other js. I am sure that Tejas shall be able to kick the A$$ of of the Pakistani F 16 as well. Vivek Ahuja in his simulation study found Tejas having a slight edge over F 16 at lower level and a big edge at at higher altitude. ..He further wrote that any reduction in weight of tejas from current 6.5 tons shall give tejas a big boost in performance. with 8g already pulled and AOA reaching 26*, performance of Tejas has improved by a huge margin. I am sure that 500 KG shall be easily be reduced. Aerodynamic improvements are also coming. It will give tejas a big boost in performance. MK1 P is going to be a big A$$ kicker to Porkies and chinkis.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Those hoping for a LCA - JF 17 face off in Bahrain likely to be disappointed. Pak plane not on the confirmed list for Bahrain airshow.

Porkies are scarred. they want to avoid humiliation. Their Masturbation in front of local public shall expose. Soon as we confirmed the participation, they begin to backtrack.now they say that there shall be a static display. one member of BR living near Banglore airport witnessed Tejas doing tight turn in less than 20 second and vertical loop in just 18 second. These are great timing comparable to anything. In instantaneous turn rate leads other aircrafts. Our aircraft is still under development and you will see much better performance aith AOA reaching 28* and weight slashed further to 5.8 to 6 tons.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I am looking for the same information since a year now, no luck. I have observed that this happens for projects that they want to protect from sabotage. They did this with MCIWS gun.

yes, since LSP8, they went secretive. You wont find videos and pictures of LSP8 except that front photograph displaying bigger air intake.

 

[Senyor Sandeep]

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Where are you getting the news that the weight would be reduced by 500 Kgs from? Also, where are you reading about MK1 P? I just hope and pray that the enemies outside and within wouldn't do anything to sabotage Tejas's performance in the airshow. Too many moles within the country these days. There seems to be a very powerful lobby from the previous MoD to the IAF that wanted to kill the project, so that they could buy Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen. God save India from these moles.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

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Where are you getting the news that the weight would be reduced by 500 Kgs? Also, where are you reading about MK1 P?

Ohhhhhh there are numerous news. 300 KG dead weight from the front part shall be removed and weight of Landing gear shall be optimized which are believed to be taken from Jaguar. All these improvements were planned in MK2 but they offered them in MK1P. People give 300 to 800 kg figures for weight reduction. Many new metal parts will be converted into composites. Reveating shall be reduced. possibilities are too much but how fast can we complete the job is a question.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

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Where are you getting the news that the weight would be reduced by 500 Kgs from? Also, where are you reading about MK1 P? I just hope any pray that the enemies outside and within wouldn't do anything to sabotage Tejas's performance in the airshow. Too manymoles within the country these day. There seems to be a very powerful lobby from the previous MoD to the IAF that wanted to kill the project, so that they could buy Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen. God save India from these moles.

Well said. I said the same thing earlier but @Sakal Gharelu Ustad accused me of being biased against the airforce. At the moment, the bad thing is that we are still buying foreign plane, the silver lining is that at least we dodged F16, and Typhoon. I'm not exactly ecstatic about the Rafale deal. We have to buy it because of "majboori".

 

[indiatester]

Ohhhhhh there are numerous news. 300 KG dead weight from the front part shall be removed and weight of Landing gear shall be optimized which are believed to be taken from Jaguar. All these improvements were planned in MK2 but they offered them in MK1P. People give 300 to 800 kg figures for weight reduction. Many new metal parts will be converted into composites. Reveating shall be reduced. possibilities are too much but how fast can we complete the job is a question.

During the FB discussion, I think the HAL person said that 300kg is a high number and is not true?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

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Where are you getting the news that the weight would be reduced by 500 Kgs from? Also, where are you reading about MK1 P? I just hope and pray that the enemies outside and within wouldn't do anything to sabotage Tejas's performance in the airshow. Too many moles within the country these days. There seems to be a very powerful lobby from the previous MoD to the IAF that wanted to kill the project, so that they could buy Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen. God save India from these moles.

Pl find here with the source.

Industrial sources say HAL envisages the Mk 1As as being around 1,000 kg lighter than the Mk 1, which weighs 6,500 kg. It aims to achieve this weight loss by shedding 200-300 kg of ballast secured in the aircraft's nose to stabilise it and another 700-800 kg by reducing its heavy and 'over-engineered' landing gear.

http://www.janes.com/article/53674/delay-to-tejas-mk-2-could-push-iaf-into-accepting-modified-mk-1s

 

[Senyor Sandeep]

I don't think there is any majboori for buying the over priced Rafale at all. It is all a hype created by people with vested interests. Instead of Rafale, manufacture Tejas in bulk and 2 Tejas can very easily over power a single Rafale. In a country as big as India, we need reliable and decently able fighters in HUGE numbers and Tejas is the only one that fits the bill. Tejas Mk1 with F404 IN 20 engine, Tejas Mk2 with F414 EPE derived engine and the twin Engine based AMCA will send shivers across the spines of Russian and French aircraft exporters. They will never allow IAF to accept our jets that easily. Heavy bribing , lobbying and negative news in the media is more to be seen in the coming days, particularly when Tejas is about to get its FOC in the last quarter of 2016. Be prepared, my fellow Indians.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

I don't think there is any majboori for buying the over priced Rafale at all. It is all a hype created by people with vested interests. Instead of Rafale, manufacture Tejas in bulk and 2 Tejas can very easily over power a single Rafale. In a country as big as India, we need reliable and decently able fighters in HUGE numbers and Tejas is the only one that fits the bill.

If we buy 36+18 Rafales, for multi-role and Russian PAK-FA for air superiority role, then our indigenous fighter jet plans are as good as shelved for another 30 years. Despite all these shiny toys, the IAF is twisting its nose and giving step motherly treatment to Tejas.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

During the FB discussion, I think the HAL person said that 300kg is a high number and is not true?

OK but I say 500 Kg weight reduction and not 700 to 800 as quoted by article.

 

[Senyor Sandeep]

Pl find here with the source.

Industrial sources say HAL envisages the Mk 1As as being around 1,000 kg lighter than the Mk 1, which weighs 6,500 kg. It aims to achieve this weight loss by shedding 200-300 kg of ballast secured in the aircraft's nose to stabilise it and another 700-800 kg by reducing its heavy and 'over-engineered' landing gear.

http://www.janes.com/article/53674/delay-to-tejas-mk-2-could-push-iaf-into-accepting-modified-mk-1s

I seriously want to know who plants all these stories in foreign media. Is it IAF or MoD babus or the defence lobby? How convenient for them to put the whole blame on HAL, when it is solely IAF that is responsible for its instability in its requirements and words. Starting from day 1 of Tejas, till today, IAF has always changed its requirements whenever HAL met its initial requirement and wanted to get approval for serial production. These culprits(Yes, I am a nationalist, but these are bloody money minded traitors in the IAF) at IAF are the main reason for Tejas not getting its FoC till now and they neither have self respect nor shame in sabotaging the tireless efforts of our own engineers and designers. I have no bloody respect for these people who make the call in IAF.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

If we buy 36+18 Rafales, for multi-role and Russian PAK-FA for air superiority role, then our indigenous fighter jet plans are as good as shelved for another 30 years. Despite all these shiny toys, the IAF is twisting its nose and giving step motherly treatment to Tejas.

We must start developing tejas MK3. Naval tejas MK2 can be the base like Sukhoi earlier version became the base for PAK FA. This shall ease the development of new fifth generation plane on Tejas platform.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

Porkies are scarred. they want to avoid humiliation. Their masturbation in front of local public shall expose. Soon as we confirmed the participation, they begin to backtrack. Now they say that there shall be a static display.

If they are scared just to participate in an airshow, how will they participate in a war? I don't think they would keep the JF17 in their airforce if they were really so scared of Tejas although the scenario seems very tempting. I think India used its diplomatic might to get Bahrain to stall Paki plans to participate. Another possibility is Pakistan's non-committal stance over the Iran-Saudi issue and Yemen issue. Bahrain must have got angry and decided to punish them or something of that sort might have happened.

We must start developing tejas MK3. Naval tejas MK2 can be the base like Sukhoi earlier version became the base for PAK FA. This shall ease the development of new fifth generation plane on Tejas platform.

What's the status of AMCA? what engine is is going to use? PAK-FA derivative? or GE 414 derivatives? or Kaveri?

 

[Neelkanth]

If we buy 36+18 Rafales, for multi-role and Russian PAK-FA for air superiority role, then our indigenous fighter jet plans are as good as shelved for another 30 years. Despite all these shiny toys, the IAF is twisting its nose and giving step motherly treatment to Tejas.

PAK FA is deal is almost dead. so don't fret over it.

I don't think there is any majboori for buying the over priced Rafale at all. It is all a hype created by people with vested interests. Instead of Rafale, manufacture Tejas in bulk and 2 Tejas can very easily over power a single Rafale. In a country as big as India, we need reliable and decently able fighters in HUGE numbers and Tejas is the only one that fits the bill. Tejas Mk1 with F404 IN 20 engine, Tejas Mk2 with F414 EPE derived engine and the twin Engine based AMCA will send shivers across the spines of Russian and French aircraft exporters. They will never allow IAF to accept our jets that easily. Heavy bribing , lobbying and negative news in the media is more to be seen in the coming days, particularly when Tejas is about to get its FOC in the last quarter of 2016. Be prepared, my fellow Indians.

Tejas is a Point defense weapon, not a deep Strike one. Different platforms for Different roles. LCA is not a Replacement for any other type of Aircraft.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

IAF has always changed its requirements whenever HAL met its initial requirement and wanted to get approval for serial production.

Indian Airforce changed GSQR only once somewhere around 2005.If you take 30 year inplace of promised 10 years, air force's requirements can not remain unchanged.

 

[Senyor Sandeep]

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Are you joking? These volatile mortals in IAF wanted Tejas to be a replacement of MiG 21s. Initially, they wanted it for 6G+ and when Tejas crossed 8G tests, they now want it to be 9G which makes the designers change the material thickness and redesign. Same with the weight of the aircraft and the thrust demands. While Tejas has evolved into a 4.5 G state of art fighter, these jokers in IAF still set new demands, while they continue to have their orgasms with MiG 21s still. Who are they trying to fool? Blood boils when they spend millions to upgrade older aircrafts at costs that could buy more than 1 brand new Tejas MK1a. Whose money are they playing with? Do they think the tax payers in India have money tress in the back yards?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

If they are scared just to participate in an airshow, how will they participate in a war? I don't think they would keep the JF17 in their airforce if they were really so scared of Tejas although the scenario seems very tempting. I think India used its diplomatic might to get Bahrain to stall Paki plans to participate. Another possibility is Pakistan's non-committal stance over the Iran-Saudi issue and Yemen issue. Bahrain must have got angry and decided to punish them or something of that sort might have happened.



What's the status of AMCA? what engine is is going to use? PAK-FA derivative? or GE 414 derivatives? or Kaveri?

Ok you can believe that but I think Pakistanis have hyped their JF blunder a lot in front of local audience. They do not want to humiliated. If tejas does tight turn in 20 sec and vertical looping in 18 second, Porkis can not match these figures even remotely. People will witness the difference and they shall get exposed. Tejas has pulled 8 g as a part of FOC. It can do 26* AOA. For Porkis, I do not think that these JF Blunder can exceed 6.5 and 17* respectively. It shall not even be complete full vertical loop. It will hardly do a 320* loop. You may witness a doble spin of tejas at Baharine.

 

[Neelkanth]

Indian Airforce changed GSQR only once somewhere around 2015.If you took 30 year inplace of promised 10 years, air force's requirements can not remain unchanged.

That Gentleman is talking like PDF fellows, doesn't know who was developing the bird.

I seriously want to know who plants all these stories in foreign media. Is it IAF or MoD babus or the defence lobby? How convenient for them to put the whole blame on HAL, when it is solely IAF that is responsible for its instability in its requirements and words. Starting from day 1 of Tejas, till today, IAF has always changed its requirements whenever HAL met its initial requirement and wanted to get approval for serial production. These culprits(Yes, I am a nationalist, but these are bloody money minded traitors in the IAF) at IAF are the main reason for Tejas not getting its FoC till now and they neither have self respect nor shame in sabotaging the tireless efforts of our own engineers and designers. I have no bloody respect for these people who make the call in IAF.

A. LCA was Being Developed by Scientists at ADA, not by Engineers at HAL. Had it been the case LCA would have already been inducted but it would have some serious Draw backs.
B. It was transferred into production by HAL about 6 years ago. Which then operationalized the Bird.
C. HAd LCA still been with ADA we would See two TDs flying around with no hard-points.
D. The Battle requirements of today were not even Envisioned in 1990's so the changing of parameters was just essential it was not IAF but the battle field that Changed, a 3rd Gen Fighter would have been fine in 1990s today we need a 4.5 one.
E. Quit running Down IAF they are certainly more qualified than anyone on this forum about fighter jets, and by your standards you are accusing them of sedition!