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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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The required information will be published only when Government disclose it ..

The FOC will equip Tejas with In-flight refuelling, Beyond Visual Range missiles, new Close Combat Missile, Gun GSH23, additional weapons and new drop tanks for supersonic flight ..

I assume recent flight are with supersonic tanks ..


Hello Sir,
there are many flight updates on ADA site but no information abut the FOC status. Do you have idea what and when IAF is going to test in FOC.
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2566th flight on 09 May
TD1 : 233 PV1: 242 PV3: 381 LSP1: 74 LSP3: 200 LSP5: 267 TD2 : 305 PV2: 222 PV5: 40 LSP2: 294 LSP4: 114 LSP7: 94 NP1: 22 LSP8 : 78
2584th flight on 21 May

TD1 : 233, PV1: 242, PV3: 381, LSP1: 74, LSP3: 200, LSP5: 270, TD2 : 305, PV2: 222, PV5: 43, LSP2: 294, LSP4: 118, LSP7: 100, NP1: 24, LSP8 : 78
 

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2584th flight on 21 May

TD1 : 233, PV1: 242, PV3: 381, LSP1: 74, LSP3: 200, LSP5: 270, TD2 : 305, PV2: 222, PV5: 43, LSP2: 294, LSP4: 118, LSP7: 100, NP1: 24, LSP8 : 78
2587th flight on 24 May

TD1 : 233, PV1: 242, PV3: 381, LSP1: 74, LSP3: 200, LSP5: 270, TD2 : 305, PV2: 222, PV5: 43, LSP2: 294, LSP4: 118, LSP7: 100, NP1: 25, LSP8 : 80
 

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2587th flight on 24 May

TD1 : 233, PV1: 242, PV3: 381, LSP1: 74, LSP3: 200, LSP5: 270, TD2 : 305, PV2: 222, PV5: 43, LSP2: 294, LSP4: 118, LSP7: 100, NP1: 25, LSP8 : 80
Explain the quotes. You are simply copying that from BRF.

Will this aircraft be combat worthy by 2050 ?? In the process scores of scientist would have retired after attaining their Scientist grade A.
 

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Explain the quotes. You are simply copying that from BRF.
I believe the dimwits at aeronautical development agency website, which I regularly scourge for updates, too copy it from BRF, right ?


Will this aircraft be combat worthy by 2050 ??
I don't know. You can stand at the Chitradurga range with a bulls eye marker or fly around sulur on a hot air balloon with a nice radar reflector and you might as well know the answer :rofl:

In the process scores of scientist would have retired after attaining their Scientist grade A.
DRDO scientists grades start from B and increase onwards ;)
 

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I believe the dimwits at aeronautical development agency website, which I regularly scourge for updates, too copy it from BRF, right ?
We on DFI are all dim wits. That is why the requests to a scientist.

DRDO scientists grades start from B and increase onwards ;)

See how ill informed I am or I thought they progress downwards.
 

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TEJAS FLIGHT TEST: LESSONS LEARNED SO FAR

Wg Cdr (Retd) PK Raveendran SC Wg Cdr Malteesh Prabhu

National Flight Test Centre, Aeronautical Development Agency
Bangalore 560 015, INDIA

Introduction

India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Tejas, is designed and developed by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) as the principal partner in development. Apart from HAL, a number of Defence and scientific research labs, industries and educational institutions in the country are actively involved in this national programme.

The Tejas programme has successfully completed the Full Scale Engineering Development (FSED) phase and entered the Initial Operational Capability (IOC) Clearance phase. The objective of the FSED phase comprising of about 200 flights was flight demonstration of the four critical state-of-the-art technologies of Tejas. The IOC phase mainly consists of expansion of the flight envelope and integration of external stores including drop tanks and weapons (Air to Air and Air to Ground). Having completed nearly 400 flights on three prototypes, a number of valuable lessons have been learnt from the programme. This paper intends to present these lessons.

Tejas Technologies

a) Quadruplex Digital Fly-by-wire Control System: A quad redundant digital fly-by- wire control system performs the task of stabilizing and controlling the Tejas, which is aerodynamically unstable in pitch. The system does not have any digital, analog or mechanical back up. The Digital Flight Control Computer (DFCC) is the heart of the flight control system, which interfaces with cockpit controls, sensors, actuators, and also the onboard avionics system

b) Glass Cockpit: Main cockpit displays of Tejas Technology demonstrators comprise of two Multi Function Displays (MFD) and an indigenously developed Head Up Display (HUD). System inputs are through a Multi Function Keyboard (MFK), a Multi Function Rotary (MFR) switch and an HUD mounted Up Front control Panel (HUD-UFCP). The production version will have three MFDs and two Smart Standby Display Units (SSDU), with a Multi Function UFCP (MF-UFCP) combining the functions of MFK, MFR and HUD- UFCP

c) Microprocessor Controlled General Systems : Four microprocessor based Electronic Units (EUs) monitor and control the onboard General Systems such as Engine, Electrical, Hydraulic, Fuel and Environmental Control Systems (ECS). In the production version, these functionalities would be combined thereby reducing the number of Electronic units to two.

d) Composites Structure: Tejas has a large percentage of composites even in primary structures. In the production version, the percentage of composites would be as high as 45%

The approach to flight testing was driven by the twin goals of the Tejas programme, which were:

(a) Design and Development of a state-of-the-art combat aircraft
(b) Bridging the huge (4 decade) technology gap between Tejas and the country's previous aircraft programme, HF-24 Marut (1961).

Therefore, it was only prudent to adopt a cautious, incremental approach to flight test in order to realise the ambitious programme goals. Tejas program is the country's finest example of national effort in pursuit of technological excellence in the field of military aviation. Accordingly, the flight test programme was and continues to be a great learning experience for all organisations, groups and individuals involved.
 

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Lessons

The paper focuses on lessons learned from this challenging program, in the context of our limited experience in combat aircraft development. The paper dwells on details of a few of the invaluable lessons learned so far.

(a) It is Not Necessary That the Most Complex System is the Most Troublesome: The Integrated Flight Control System (IFCS) comprising of quadruplex digital fly by wire system is the most complex system on board the Tejas. However, failure rates on this system have been extremely low compared to the more mundane systems such as Brake Management System (BMS), Nose Wheel Steering (NWS) System and Environmental Control System (ECS). As stated earlier, this is the first time in the country that these technologies have been incorporated in an aircraft and as in any developmental programme, failures were expected. Due to the safety critical nature of the IFCS, extreme caution has been exercised in design and flight testing of the system. Perhaps, it is due to this reason that there have been no significant failures expect for a channel dropout once in flight, which was reset immediately. On the other hand, there have been number of failures in NWS and Brake management systems, though, fortunately, not during the critical take off and landing phases. Tejas has a "brake by wire" system controlled by the Digital Hydraulic Electronic Unit (DHEU). During the initial days of Taxi Test phase prior to first flight, the system's performance was highly unsatisfactory due to uneven braking (Tugs). A number of changes in the control law were required to be implemented before the system performances reached a satisfactory state. Similarly, the NWS system and ECS also had a number of problems that needed design fixes at different stages.

(b) Software Driven Systems have High Cycle Time: Contrary to the general perception that software updates are done quickly, our experience from the programme is that the process takes a substantial amount of time. The difficult decision is the amount of regression tests that need to be done to cover the update and the changes thereof. This is particularly true in relation to the flight critical FCS software. Each software update needs to be thoroughly tested by the design teams and also verified / validated by an independent testing agency before the same can be ported on to the hardware. Extensive tests in test rigs / flight simulators must follow before actual flight tests. The whole process is so time consuming that, at times, flying needs to continue with temporary limitations or change in operating procedures till the new software is flight tested satisfactorily.

(c) The Extent and Content of Testing is a Difficult Decision: For a complex system like the IFCS, hundred percent test coverage is neither possible nor economical. The extent and content of testing becomes a difficult programme management decision that may have impact on safety. The roles of Independent Verification and Validation (IV&V) and certification agencies are crucial in this context.

(d) Expect the Unexpected: Tejas flight test experience has shown that Murphy does exist. A case in point was the twin hydraulic utility systems failure soon after takeoff, resulting in loss of all hydraulics services except flight controls. Emergency lowering of undercarriage was carried out just before the hydraulics depleted and aircraft landed using parking (emergency) brakes. This failure was caused by rupturing of a hydraulic hose of System 1 in the main undercarriage bay and the high-pressure jet caused rupture of the System 2 hose also. Though, a common point from where hydraulic fluid from both systems could leak out was avoided by design, rupture of both hoses in such a fashion was not expected.

(e) Concessions Have a Tendency to Become Standard: There are occasions when system related concessions have to be accepted in the form of limitation log to proceed with the flight test programme. However, a time bound action plan to remove these concessions needs to be in place, to prevent them from becoming part of the SOP for the next prototype(s). At ADA, the flight test team initiates Requests for Action (RFA) for the design teams to correct any observed deficiencies in various systems. Regular reviews of these RFAs are conducted with the concerned design groups and certification agencies, which ensure that the concessions remain under focus and a time bound plan exists to resolve all outstanding issues.

(f) Record More and Not Less Parameters to Avoid Unresolved Issues in Flight Test. There were a few minor failures in the flight control system of which the cause could not be conclusively established due to lack of sufficient data for analysis. In retrospect, the lesson is, it is better to record more and not less number of parameters through the flight test instrumentation in order to capture the system functioning and cause of failure as and when it occurs. Although at times it may be possible to alter the instrumentation scheme to include more parameters when required, this would result in increased aircraft down time and could affect the programme adversely. Using current generation digital data recorders, it should be possible to achieve this aim with adequate storage space available even for future data requirements.

(g) Simulation is an Invaluable Tool in Design, Development and Testing. Simulation has been used extensively in Tejas programme right from design through testing phases. Accordingly, flight test objective was one of model validation rather than data generation. It was possible to optimize the flight test effort largely through this approach.

(h) State of the Art Technology Needs To Be Backed By Quality Engineering: While trying to bridge the technology gap, equal emphasis needs to be given to all aspects that constitute advanced aircraft technology. This spans from design, manufacturing to flight test technologies.

(j) Fortune Favours the Brave? Developing quadruplex digital fly-by-wire system on a prototype was a bold programme decision, which, in retrospect, has paid off. As part of the cautious incremental approach, flight tests commenced in a relatively small flight envelope with fixed gain control laws in DFCC. Later, when full up scheduled gain Control Law (CLAW) was brought in, certain control coupling with landing gear dynamics was observed which had potential safety implications. At that stage in the programme, with the experience gained, such issues could be handled without compromising flight safety.
 

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The required information will be published only when Government disclose it ..

The FOC will equip Tejas with In-flight refuelling, Beyond Visual Range missiles, new Close Combat Missile, Gun GSH23, additional weapons and new drop tanks for supersonic flight ..

I assume recent flight are with supersonic tanks ..
To do list for FOC.

How many points are completed till now?

1. Expand flight envelope to -3.5 to 8G (Currently -2 to 6G).
2. 24° angle of attack (Currently 22°).
3. In-flight refuelling capability (Integration of Cobham probe complete).
4. Demonstration of Rafael ADS Derby BVR air-to-air missile.
5. Demonstration of Rafael ADS Python-5 IIR close combat missile (Related post here).
6. Completion of integration & demonstration of KBP Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23 23mm cannon.
7. New design drop tanks for supersonic flight.
8. New radome to improve radar and electromagnetic performance.
9. Validate more efficient cooling system for aircraft braking assembly.
10. Additional weapons testing, including PGMs.
 

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Advanced Weapon Trials of Tejas Fighter Completed

BANGALORE: Three aircraft from Tejas flight-line have successfully completed advanced weapon trials in Jamnagar as part of the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) campaign, which began in December last year. Sources associated with the project confirmed to Express on Wednesday that the integration process of all new weapons on the aircraft has been completed.

"We have fired all the new weapons in all possible release modes and the results have been satisfactory. We have also completed the integration of a new drop tank as part of the FOC activity. With this, we have successfully completed the carriage, fuel transfer and jettison trials," an official, who was part of the Jamnagar trials said. It took three Tejas aircraft (LSP-3, LSP-5 and LSP-7) over 30 sorties to complete the weapon trials.

As part of the FOC, the aircraft is now being readied for all-weather trials in Bangalore. "One aircraft is also being readied for night flying with upgraded systems and software. Plans are afoot to take Tejas for hot weather trials in Gwalior next month," the official added. So far, since its maiden flight on January 4, 2001, Tejas has completed 2,587 sorties logging in over 1,750 hours of incident-free flying.

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) Chairman R K Tyagi said that the company is on track in rolling out the first Series Production (SP-1) aircraft. He said ahead of the Initial Operational Clearance in December last year, HAL was working parallel with the Aeronautical Developmental Agency for the finalisation of the production configuration of the aircraft.

"The first SP-1 is in advanced stages of equipping and we will have the ground run by end of June. The SP-1 should start flying by August. The second, third and fourth production aircraft are in various stages of structural build and we hope to deliver four aircraft in the current year to the Indian Air Force (IAF)," Tyagi said.

Advanced Weapon Trials of Tejas Fighter Completed - The New Indian Express
 

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Advanced Weapon Trials of Tejas Fighter Completed

BANGALORE: Three aircraft from Tejas flight-line have successfully completed advanced weapon trials in Jamnagar as part of the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) campaign, which began in December last year. Sources associated with the project confirmed to Express on Wednesday that the integration process of all new weapons on the aircraft has been completed.

"We have fired all the new weapons in all possible release modes and the results have been satisfactory. We have also completed the integration of a new drop tank as part of the FOC activity. With this, we have successfully completed the carriage, fuel transfer and jettison trials," an official, who was part of the Jamnagar trials said. It took three Tejas aircraft (LSP-3, LSP-5 and LSP-7) over 30 sorties to complete the weapon trials.

As part of the FOC, the aircraft is now being readied for all-weather trials in Bangalore. "One aircraft is also being readied for night flying with upgraded systems and software. Plans are afoot to take Tejas for hot weather trials in Gwalior next month," the official added. So far, since its maiden flight on January 4, 2001, Tejas has completed 2,587 sorties logging in over 1,750 hours of incident-free flying.

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) Chairman R K Tyagi said that the company is on track in rolling out the first Series Production (SP-1) aircraft. He said ahead of the Initial Operational Clearance in December last year, HAL was working parallel with the Aeronautical Developmental Agency for the finalisation of the production configuration of the aircraft.

"The first SP-1 is in advanced stages of equipping and we will have the ground run by end of June. The SP-1 should start flying by August. The second, third and fourth production aircraft are in various stages of structural build and we hope to deliver four aircraft in the current year to the Indian Air Force (IAF)," Tyagi said.

Advanced Weapon Trials of Tejas Fighter Completed - The New Indian Express
SP-1 by August :why:

Btw what new weapons have been tested ?
 

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SP-1 by August :why:

Btw what new weapons have been tested ?
Weapons of lying through teeth about the problems with the program and timelines, Indian bureaucracy, procrastination and incompetence to do anything on time :D
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