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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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its official govt report. you cant deny. we have 500+ ground attack but less than 100 fighter
What? Where? I never read it though. Who wrote it? Was it submitted by the Air force or a Parliamentary committee?

120 Bisons, 63 Mig-29s, 49 Mirage-2000s and 150+ MKIs = 100?

can LCA be used for training purpose..?? considering we already have deficiency in training aircraft.....serves dual purpose- meets IAF requirement for trainer aircraft and enough order for LCA....just my layman opinion!!
Fighters being used as trainers, no use. But DRDO was hoping to develop a LIFT(Lead In Fighter Trainer) as a Combat Trainer to complement the Hawks. But I think this project is only on paper.
 

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Since many people in this forum are making sweeping all knowing statements about every thing on earth,let's start with some basic understanding of what are the critical specs of a fighter aircraft and let me explain that other than RANGE the LCA is a perfectly capable air frame to do everything any non stealth aircraft can ever do.

Angle of Attack(AoA)

It is the maximum angle an aircraft makes against the air flow. Practically it means, the greater the angle of attack, the more vigoursly you can turn. This is important in close combat because the more the angel of attack, the more tighter the pilot can turn. So aircrafts having high AoA wiill have smaller turn radius.

If an aircraft exceeds its Angel of attack , then it loses its aerodynamic grip on the air. That is the pressure above the wing is no longer lower the pressure below the wing. and becomes a stone in the sky falling towards the earth.




Thrust to Weight ratoi(TWR)

TWR is obtained by dividing the Engine-thrust of a fighter by its weight. If the Thurst is more than its weight then TWR is greater than 1. If thrust is less than the weight ,then TWR is less than 1. So fighters with TWR more than 1 can zoom up into the sky like a rocket instead of gradually increasing their altitude.

Also having more thrust to weight ratio means, the fighter can use the maximum use of its angle of attack. It wont matter if your fighter has a high AoA but a poor thrust to weight, because your fighter at maximum high AoA creates more drag and slows down the fighter. The more you turn with the help of high AoA, the more you loose speed.

The only way to counteract this lose of speed, is for the engine to put out more power. More engine power(or in other words more thrust to weight ratio) means, more thrust to counteract the drag due to high AoA turn. Say both Fighter-A & Fighter-B have an angle of attack of 25 degrees, but A has TWR of 1.2 while B has a TWR of 1.1. Since A has more engine power than B, it will turn more tightly than B because the more engine thrust will counteract the slow down due to a high AoA turn.

So eventhough both B and A has 25 degrees of AoA, B won't be able to fully utilise its 25 degrees to match A's turn as it will create extra drag which cannot be counteracted by its engine thrust and will start to lose speed and become a sitting duck soon. While Fighter-A will turn tighter because the drag will be counteracted by its superior TWR(or more engine thrust).


Sustained Turn Rate(STR)

STR as the name implies is a turn which can be sustained. STR is a derived quantity from AoA and TWR. As explained above, the balance between AoA and TWR makes Fighter B to turn at 22 degrees AoA only because if it goes abve that, it will start to lose speed. At 22 degrees AoA and TWR of 1.1, lets assume Fighter B can complete a full circle 360 degree turn in 20 seconds, without losing air speed. So its sustained turn rate is, 360 degrees divided by 20 sec, which is 18 degrees per second. So the STR of Fighter B is 18 degrees per second. While Fighter A with 24 degrees AoA and TWR of 1.2, will complete a full 360 turn much faster than Fighter B. Lets assume it completes it in just 16 seconds. So its STR is 360/16 = 22.5 degrees per second.

What this means is, if both fighter A and Fighter B meet each other head-on in a turning fight and start turning(it is called a merge), (the initial difference in angle in a head on engagement is 180 degrees.), Fighter A due to its superior STR(it has a superior STR because of a superior AoA, and it got its superior AoA because of its superior TWR. Now you can see how these parameters interact with each other.), will slowly start to get behind Fighter-B. Fighter-A has an advantage of 4.5 degres per second(22.5-18), over B. So to cover 180 degrees(or get behind B's back), Fighter-A will take 40 seconds to do it(180/4.5). So after A and B meet face to face, Fighter A will be behind Fighter B in just 40 seconds and pump his asss full of lead with his cannon or missile. This is what STR is all about.

Worldover eventhough many fighter aircraft manufactures claim fantastic AOAs of 50 degrees and more practicaly it is limited to 24 degrees in general.Then what is the meaning of claim? It simply means with the aid of thrust vectoring or some passive aerodynamic design they may evade stall .Thats all

.These higher AOAs are seldom exploited in dog fight because losing speed is signing your death warrant.So any AOA higher than 24 degree cannot be used in a dogfight because of the deadly loss of speed.They camouflage this truth by saying that the fly by wire software limits its AOA to 24 degree as if turning any tighter than that is outlawed.

They hide behind the fact that if the aircraft uses higher AOA than warranted by its fly by wire software than all its pilot can do is busy counteracting the stall for the next few minutes while his enemy leisurely completes his full circle within his fly by wire mandated STR and deliver the killing blow simply by his cannon.

Here let me state that LCA too has as good as any modern fighters with its fly by wire software limited AOA of 24 degrees.It has TWR of 1.07 with 85 KN engine in its debut.Wit MLUs of higher power engine they wont be obsolete as many people claim in this forum.It can increase its STR and even turn tighter.

But the basic point to note is that while F-16 like fighters try to draw deltas into turning fight The deltas will avoid that by using their inherently higher ITRs(explained below) and try to draw the F-16s into climbing fight,where the F-16s cannot match them.Because to climb you have to have lower wing loading(higher wing area per weight).The LCA(deltas) have obviosly more wing area than F-16s and grippens(delta with lower wing area than LCA).

This is the basic physics of flying.Nomamount of arguing will ever change this.Lcaa is a smaller aircraft while F-16 is a bigger aircraft.the engine thrust per weight of the fighter is limited only by the critical single crystal blade technologyThe122 kn thrust of UAE bought F-16 may look bigger compared to LCA's 95 KN. But the truth is LCA is significantly lighter than F-16.So per ton thrust of any fighter is limited only by the engine blade technology which determines the maximum stress handled by a single blade.

Thrust vectoring changes the game here altogether ,thats why SUKHOIS rule.They help the aircraft in dog fight.But nothing forbids LCA from also having Thrust vectoring.It is an engine feature that can be added on in later mid life up grades.Thats what si mentioned by ADA scientists when they say the IAf is asking for SUKHOI like parameters for LCA and it can be done.
Instantaneous Turn Rate(ITR)

ITR , is a turn which is performed instantaneously. Here the full 25 degrees AoA is used by both fighters A and B. As a result, both A and B whose STR limits them to 24 and 22 degrees respectively, doesn't matter here. Ofcourse turning at 25 degrees AoA creates massive drag, which slows down both the fighters, with B slowing down much more than A.

So you can ask, why on earth would a fighter turn like that, lose speed and become a sitting duck? A few years ago that would have been true, but with the new short range high off boresight missiles, all u have to do now is to turn using your full AoA advantage and quickly point your nose to the direction of the enemy fighter, get a lock on, with your missile, and then fire!

So you can turn instantly, move your nose in the general direction of the enemy, get a lock on your HMS, get a good tone on your Short range off-bore sight missile, and launch it.

With off bore-sight missiles, this becomes even more easier since you don't have to fully turn and only come into the off bore of the missile in order to launch. So when on a headon engagement(180 degrees difference), Fighter-A with 90 degrees high off boresight missiles and HMS, coupled with thrust vectoring, will perform a much higher ITR, and as a result will turn faster and will be able to get a lock-on much faster than Fighter-B (with its own 90 degrees high off boresight missile and HMS).

This is the standard tactics employed by deltas against F-16 like composite wing fighters.If challenged by a F-16 for turning fight the deltas use their ITR advantage(which is the result of higher wing area) over F-16 like composite wings and try to get out of the tighter turning F-16 with their higer ITR for off bore missile shot.

An aircraft with thrust vectoring can be an even bigger winner here because its ITRs are league ahead of others. and they dont have to worry about loss of speed and staling .But as I said earlier Thrust vectoring is just rotating nozzles and it does not pertain to aerodynamic layout of the aircraft.The LCAa can have as good a performer as SUkhoi with thrust vectoring in future upgrades.

An even better tactics is to climb and shake off the F_16 (composite wing) ,because even though the F_16 advertises its high verical climb rate it can not move from hhorizantal to vertical in small enough time to win over the deltas
 

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A successful tacticis for now is to mix one sukhoi with forur or five LCAs in a group in case of defending agains massive attacks with huge number of invading enemy aircrafts.This will be the standard scenarion incase of India on one side and china-pak on the other side. Every SUKHOi becomes a mini awacs with high engine 300 km radar range. With its huge RCS it cn be picked up by enemy aircarft hundreds of kilometers away, So you cannot risk its destrction by enemy's long range missile targetting.

Solution.Put five LCAs that have 7 time lower RCS in front with good long range missile.The LCA cannot be detected by enemy as far away as SUKHOI. Let the SUKhoi guide LCA's missiles via data link. This one group of one SUKHOI and five LCAs simply equals one sukhoi flying with 20 long range missiles flying perpetually hundred kilometers ahead of it.While the sukhoi is safe from enemy fighters,The enemy fighetrs are not safe from LCA. Any counter argument?

Dont bluff that long range missiles are only for bigger fighters. Any LCA which has three tons pay load and each pylon strong enough to carry 400 kgs can carry four 150 km range meteor type missile. However longer they stick in front.

Even against stealths like J-20s ultra sensitive UCAVs and long wavelength ground radars can replace the SUKHOI in the group. No amount of arguing will ever belie the fact that the low RCS LCA launching long range missiles (a good distance away from its radar detection range) against any stealth or non stealth target is obsolete.

While you may argue that with booming economy we can afford all sukhoi of all pakfa airforce, You are simply ignoring that with even more booming chinese economy they will have even more number of all SUKHOI clone and J-20 airforcre.




So dont pollute this busy forum with lies and camouflaged statistics and fundamantalist kind of arguments .I have been to many forums, where debate is well informed. And valid points are acknowledged and acccepted.I
 

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A successful tacticis for now is to mix one sukhoi with forur or five LCAs in a group in case of defending agains massive attacks with huge number of invading enemy aircrafts.This will be the standard scenarion incase of India on one side and china-pak on the other side. Every SUKHOi becomes a mini awacs with high engine 300 km radar range. With its huge RCS it cn be picked up by enemy aircarft hundreds of kilometers away, So you cannot risk its destrction by enemy's long range missile targetting.

Solution.Put five LCAs that have 7 time lower RCS in front with good long range missile.The LCA cannot be detected by enemy as far away as SUKHOI. Let the SUKhoi guide LCA's missiles via data link. This one group of one SUKHOI and five LCAs simply equals one sukhoi flying with 20 long range missiles flying perpetually hundred kilometers ahead of it.While the sukhoi is safe from enemy fighters,The enemy fighetrs are not safe from LCA. Any counter argument?

Dont bluff that long range missiles are only for bigger fighters. Any LCA which has three tons pay load and each pylon strong enough to carry 400 kgs can carry four 150 km range meteor type missile. However longer they stick in front.

Even against stealths like J-20s ultra sensitive UCAVs and long wavelength ground radars can replace the SUKHOI in the group. No amount of arguing will ever belie the fact that the low RCS LCA launching long range missiles (a good distance away from its radar detection range) against any stealth or non stealth target is obsolete.

While you may argue that with booming economy we can afford all sukhoi of all pakfa airforce, You are simply ignoring that with even more booming chinese economy they will have even more number of all SUKHOI clone and J-20 airforcre.




So dont pollute this busy forum with lies and camouflaged statistics and fundamantalist kind of arguments .I have been to many forums, where debate is well informed. And valid points are acknowledged and acccepted.I
Hey, noob question. Are fighter groups actually formed between different fighters?????

I have always heard about only one kind of aircrafts in a squadron. Your tactical suggestion mandates that a heterogeneous squadron should be formed. Is it actually being done in practice?
 

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An even better tactics is to climb and shake off the F_16 (composite wing) ,because even though the F_16 advertises its high verical climb rate it can not move from hhorizantal to vertical in small enough time to win over the deltas
Did you forget that the F-16 is also a Delta? :bplease:

You attempts are cute but it gets boring after sometime.

Listen up, most of the specs you see for LCA on the internet is only on paper. None of it has actually been applied to a real aircraft. That is what's causing ADA problems, transferring paper specs to the real thing. Right now reduce most of the specs by half and that's where LCA is as of today. It is a flying bus. The only time ADA is expected to release the first real LCA with the specs you see on paper is only in 2018 and that is considering they actually stick to schedule. Why don't you get that in your head first. Then we will talk about how awesome LCA is.
 

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Bigger aircrafts like SUKHOI are built for higher range.There is nothing that holds back a single engined fighter from outperforming them if properly engineered.The sukhoi with 30 ton weight can only spare a certain amount of power for EW and RADAR. Nothing can stop a smaller LCA to be buit or upgraded with same or more power consuming EW suite. So dont bluff that big aircrafts can simpy jam smaller crafts EW.


And big 20 tonners when they reach the meeting point with smaller crafts will have more deadweight supporting their long range while having advantage of higher thrust engines,over hostile airspace brimming with SAMs.it is for this for this meeting point the nimble light eight LCAA is built for.So its role still exists contrary to claims here that LCA has no roles against a bigger invading aircraft.

LCA is no mig-21 replacement in tattoo.While IAF and you guys view it that way,the objective of ADA is to

1.master fly by wire control laws

2.To acquire composite material knowhow

3.implement innovative compound delta wing for superlative performance in high altitude and comparable performance in low altitude

4.Develop state of the art engine and radar technology. New tie up is being sought with snecma towards this end.And contract for miniaturisation of ASEA radar with a foriegn company is about to be floated.


So dont say ADA filed in this and that.The LCA is obsolete the J-10,20,f-16 an eat them for breakfast and dinner,and the IAF chief is showing bee stung face.Thse capabilities built by ADA will make india an aeronatical super power in future.To achieve this we have to give LCAA extended run like F-16.I havent mentined how LCA has helped to shortened the development time for AMCA
 

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It is not a fully delta wing fighter like mirage or LCA it is a cropped delta a variation of older straight wings. That is why it has high wing loading and high STR unlike pure deltas .dont dismiss me ass cute buddy.

This is what wiki says,

General configuration


F-16CJ Block 50 from 20th Fighter Wing at Shaw AFB, South Carolina, armed with air-to-air missiles including the AIM-9 Sidewinder and AIM-120 AMRAAM, AGM-88 HARM SEAD anti-radiation missiles, HARM Targeting System (HTS), AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) pod, and external wing fuel tanks (370 gal capacity)
The F-16 has a cropped-delta planform incorporating wing-fuselage blending and forebody vortex-control strakes; a fixed-geometry, underslung air intake to the single turbofan jet engine; a conventional tri-plane empennage arrangement with all-moving horizontal "stabilator" tailplanes; a pair of ventral fins beneath the fuselage aft of the wing's trailing edge; a single-piece, bird-proof "bubble" canopy; and a tricycle landing gear configuration with the aft-retracting, steerable nose gear deploying a short distance behind the inlet lip. There is a boom-style aerial refueling receptacle located a short distance behind the canopy. Split-flap speedbrakes are located at the aft end of the wing-body fairing, and an arrestor hook is mounted underneath the fuselage. Another fairing is situated beneath the bottom of the rudder, often used to house ECM equipment or a drag chute. Several later F-16 models, such as the F-16I, also have a long dorsal fairing "bulge" along the "spine" of the fuselage from the cockpit's rear to the tail fairing, it can be used for additional equipment or fuel.[36][45]
 

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That is only due to the payload requirement creep of IAF, not due to faulty design. This payload creep is about to be addressed with general dynamics 95 kn engine.These are the final specs of LCA mk-1 and not mk-2.Dont confuse the issue.
 

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That is why LCA has managed to go past 1350 km/hr at goa sea level.The original spec of 85 kn cannot achieve that and with the 95 kn it can go past 1350 km .so dont confuse memebers.With the higher power engine it has already cleared 22 degree AOA and its speeding up of FOC with more AOA is to be done with EASS consultancy. So no faulty airframe design in LCA
 

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to satish ,

What forbids formation of mixed group fighters. Havent you heard of bobmber aircrafts flying with fighter escorts?
 

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F-16 is a cropped delta with high wing loading and high STR, Low ITR.These are the ame charecteristics of simple compound wing fighters of yore. Pure or cranked deltas like mirages and LCA have low wing loading and lower STR, High ITR.
 

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A compoundd elta design overcomes most problems of a pure delta.The tailless, compound-delta planform is designed to keep the Tejas small and lightweight. The use of this platform also minimises the control surfaces needed, no tailplanes or foreplanes, just a single vertical tailfin, permits carriage of a wider range of external stores, and confers better close-combat, high-speed, and high-alpha performance characteristics than comparable cruciform-wing designs.


Extensive wind tunnel testing on scale models and complex computational fluid dynamics analyses have optimised the aerodynamic configuration of the LCA, giving it minimum supersonic drag, a low wing-loading, and high rates of roll and pitch.
The intakes have aux intakes like that of Jaguar to allow higher air flow to the engine during high alpha and high thrust operations.
LERX control is not reqd for LCA as it is an RSS airframe design and a compound delta is better for such an airframe. F-18 is not an RSS airframe. It needs LERX to control the movement of COP and the vortex generated by LERX add to the parasite drag to it. LCA airframe is like a revolution in design of delta winged platforms. It is superior to even M2K design and also to that of Rafale as it is tailless, canardless design. Lesser the control surfaces, lesser is drag and more agility an ac has.
 

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A successful tacticis for now is to mix one sukhoi with forur or five LCAs in a group in case of defending agains massive attacks with huge number of invading enemy aircrafts.This will be the standard scenarion incase of India on one side and china-pak on the other side. Every SUKHOi becomes a mini awacs with high engine 300 km radar range. With its huge RCS it cn be picked up by enemy aircarft hundreds of kilometers away, So you cannot risk its destrction by enemy's long range missile targetting.

Solution.Put five LCAs that have 7 time lower RCS in front with good long range missile.The LCA cannot be detected by enemy as far away as SUKHOI. Let the SUKhoi guide LCA's missiles via data link. This one group of one SUKHOI and five LCAs simply equals one sukhoi flying with 20 long range missiles flying perpetually hundred kilometers ahead of it.While the sukhoi is safe from enemy fighters,The enemy fighetrs are not safe from LCA. Any counter argument?
This is how Mig-21s are used, more or less and LCA will also follow the same tactics. But it is not a tactic you can use in enemy airpsace and obviously not against 5th gen fighters like the J-20 unless you give LCA internal bays, stealth shaping and RAM coating.

Dont bluff that long range missiles are only for bigger fighters. Any LCA which has three tons pay load and each pylon strong enough to carry 400 kgs can carry four 150 km range meteor type missile. However longer they stick in front.
Stupid kid.

LCA can carry Meteor, but it won't. It will carry Astra. An aircraft only carries weapons to the point where it's radar is expected to perform. Simply because there are AWACS available does not mean LCA will be allowed to carry larger missiles. It has never happened ever in history. F-15s, F-18E/Fs, F-35s and F-22s will carry Aim-120Ds, F-16 B52 won't.

A Meteor is something the LCA can carry but J-20s will carry something with a longer range, they are making a PL-12D after all. So, there is no match there. That apart from the fact that both Derby and Astra Mk1 are LCA specific and nothing better has been planned until the next decade.

Btw, Meteor, R-77 etc are medium range missiles, not long range.

Even against stealths like J-20s ultra sensitive UCAVs and long wavelength ground radars can replace the SUKHOI in the group. No amount of arguing will ever belie the fact that the low RCS LCA launching long range missiles (a good distance away from its radar detection range) against any stealth or non stealth target is obsolete.
It only looks good on paper. Not in a real scenario.

The best capability against an aircraft is another aircraft, especially of the same or better capability. Using smaller aircraft means more pilots killed and lesser morale for the smaller air force. Your best buddy who you flew with for years got killed in combat simply because he was flying a less capable aircraft is not good for morale.

That and a host of other reasons are why even Russia and China are making top notch quality products in order to increase survivability. An idiot like you won't understand because nationalism and pride is on the line rather than critical thinking.

While you may argue that with booming economy we can afford all sukhoi of all pakfa airforce, You are simply ignoring that with even more booming chinese economy they will have even more number of all SUKHOI clone and J-20 airforcre.
Exactly why we cannot waste our time with LCA. More LCAs are not the answer, more MKIs and PAKFA are. That's where IAF is going anyway, regardless of any amount of garbage that you throw in this forum.

So dont pollute this busy forum with lies and camouflaged statistics and fundamantalist kind of arguments .I have been to many forums, where debate is well informed. And valid points are acknowledged and acccepted.I
Come back after you actually learnt something instead of spouting nonsense about things you don't understand.

Something for you to think about,


Both are said to have the same capability in such a configuration when considering weapons and payload alone. Now imagine half the fleet is lost on both sides, that's 2 MKIs on one side. On the other side that's 6 Gripen + 1 tanker. The loss on the Gripen side is much heavier and greater. That's because at the end of the day, the MKI squadron is short of 2 aircraft out of 18 whereas a large component of the Gripen squadron is dead or extremely low on morale and will probably be grounded until replacements are found.

Also, in such a scenario, the MKI pilots have an easier time in maintaining battlespace control while the Gripen fliers will have a tougher time managing the same. In case all fighters on both sides are lost, the replacement fighters for MKI are far easier to achieve as compared to an entire squadron of Gripens and 2 tankers, especially considering the loss in manpower.

There are such simple things to consider, but kids like you are impossible to argue with because of lack of common sense.

Hey, noob question. Are fighter groups actually formed between different fighters?????

I have always heard about only one kind of aircrafts in a squadron. Your tactical suggestion mandates that a heterogeneous squadron should be formed. Is it actually being done in practice?
Yeah. This was always the case earlier because aircraft used to be single role. Now with multirole aircraft, it is not such a strict requirement since strike aircraft are better able to defend themselves.

During Kargil, Mig-29s provided air support while Mirages dropped strike packages.

A 12 aircraft combination of Su-30K, Mig-21, Mig-29, Mirage-2000 and Mig-27 was used during CI-2004 against 4 F-15C.

Back in 2008-09 USAF started planning for mixed aircraft formations(F-15 and F-22) because of lower than expected number of F-22s in service.

In the future it is expected the 4th gen aircraft will work in tandem with 5th gen aircraft in most mission profiles. So in air to air, the F-15s can lay back with their radars on and provide targeting guidance to F-22s with their radars off. Similarly, Growlers can provide stand off jamming to help F-35s conduct SEAD.
 

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Our activities are at full throttle, says HAL Chairman
Madhumathi D. S.


Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has put indigenous aircraft development activities on the fast track.

R.K. Tyagi, who took over as HAL Chairman in March, told The Hindu, "Things are on the fast track. We are removing the bottlenecks and communicated our priorities to the stakeholders. We are coordinating the projects faster now across vendors, clients and our own [design, procurement and production] teams."

He said HAL's priorities included completion of the intermediate jet trainer or IJT (Sitara), the Air Force version of the light combat aircraft (LCA) to replace MiG-21s, the Navy version of LCA to replace Sea Harriers;
the light combat helicopter (LCH) and the light utility helicopter (LUH).

The current year and the next, he said, were critical for the projects. Dedicated teams were in place, infrastructure augmented and component procurement processes fired up, he said, but did not elaborate.

HAL had stepped up interactions with component suppliers, client IAF and internally with its production teams. It now had an Air Marshal to advice the Chairman and liaise with the IAF on the status of the projects, Mr. Tyagi said in his first media interaction since taking charge.

"In the process, we have established good rapport all around. Our acid test will be when we deliver the products."

The LCA was set for final operational certification (FOC), a step needed for its joining the service, in early 2013. HAL was also aiming for the IJT's initial operational certification (IOC) by this year-end.

HAL was also developing the fifth generation fighter and the $ 600-million multi-role transport aircraftwith Russian partners.

In recent years, the Rs. 14,000-crore HAL has been pulled up by military establishment for not meeting the IAF's delivery time lines.

The light fighter programme is a baby of the Aeronautical Development Agency. In January, the LCA got a conditional IOC.

The LCA Navy version must be fine-tuned and fulfil pending criteria before it goes to the final operational clearance.

The Air Force has ordered 40 LCAs and is eventually estimated to ask for around 220 aircraft, while the Navy may need about 40. After its first flight in 2001, the LCA was tipped for induction in 2005, and later in 2008. But U.S. embargos and other factors delayed its completion. Currently, HAL is making the limited series of 16.

The IJT is seen as a vital cog to help trainee pilots to move from basic to advanced training. It will be produced in Bangalore and Kanpur where facilities have been augmented.

Vice Chief of the Air StaffAir Marshal D.C. Kumaria, who was in Bangalore on Friday, said after an event that the IAF was tracking the progress of its projects closely. He visited HAL on Thursday evening. "There is much synergy today than there ever was."

He said the LCA was expected to get the FOC by early 2013 and the first squadron to be operational by the end of 2013.

The IJT was "definitely a requirement" of the Air Force and until it joined service, the ageing Kiran would be used, he said.

It is Rudra

If HAL's mostly civil-purpose advanced light helicopter (ALH) was named after the mythological child sage-prince Dhruv, or the Pole Star, its weaponised version will flash a far fiercer name.

ALH's bomb-capable variant for the Army is to be called Rudra, after the Hindu mythological lord of annihilation.

Mr. Tyagi said Rudra or Dhruv Mk-4 was in the last lap of certification and its first delivery was likely this year.

Two prototypes of the LCH were undergoing trials and an improved third one would follow. The LUH would have a high level of indigenous content.

The Hindu : News / National : Our activities are at full throttle, says HAL Chairman
 

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Give me source to your ststement thet F-16 has a ground level speed of 1.2 mach with decent combat loads over desers of pakistan. It's specs are legibily mentioned as mach 1.2 1450 kms/hr at sea level with CLEAN CONFIGURATION
 

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Bigger aircrafts like SUKHOI are built for higher range.There is nothing that holds back a single engined fighter from outperforming them if properly engineered.The sukhoi with 30 ton weight can only spare a certain amount of power for EW and RADAR. Nothing can stop a smaller LCA to be buit or upgraded with same or more power consuming EW suite. So dont bluff that big aircrafts can simpy jam smaller crafts EW.
You mean a 90KN LCA engine will deliver more power than 2X125KN engines of the Flanker.

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That is only due to the payload requirement creep of IAF, not due to faulty design. This payload creep is about to be addressed with general dynamics 95 kn engine.These are the final specs of LCA mk-1 and not mk-2.Dont confuse the issue.
****** .The 98Kn engine is meant for the MK2. The final specs for the MK1 will probably be best used as a trainer aircraft for the USAF. I think I mentioned that in the trainer thread.

That is why LCA has managed to go past 1350 km/hr at goa sea level.The original spec of 85 kn cannot achieve that and with the 95 kn it can go past 1350 km .so dont confuse memebers.With the higher power engine it has already cleared 22 degree AOA and its speeding up of FOC with more AOA is to be done with EASS consultancy. So no faulty airframe design in LCA
******** Go spread nonsense elsewhere.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry on this forum knows what's happening.

LCA has a cranked wing, only because it is small enough to pull it off. No other reason. That's the reason ADA gave too.

This is my last post to you. Learn something credible before coming back. Learn what larger aircraft are capable of before posting here.
 
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LCA can carry Meteor, but it won't. It will carry Astra. An aircraft only carries weapons to the point where it's radar is expected to perform. Simply because there are AWACS available does not mean LCA will be allowed to carry larger missiles. It has never happened ever in history. F-15s, F-18E/Fs, F-35s and F-22s will carry Aim-120Ds, F-16 B52 won't.

A Meteor is something the LCA can carry but J-20s will carry something with a longer range, they are making a PL-12D after all. So, there is no match there. That apart from the fact that both Derby and Astra Mk1 are LCA specific and nothing better has been planned until the next decade.

So it needs your permissiion to carry a log rane missile.Who out lawed it from carrying long range missiles with AWACs group?

By the way dont lie again that LCAA's proposed radar cant target for 150 km range.Even rafale has 150 km range radar. Do you think the airforce guys are fools choosing rafael.you are lying again and again
 

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No fool. The 98Kn engine is meant for the MK2. The final specs for the MK1 will probably be best used as a trainer aircraft for the USAF. I think I mentioned that in the trainer thread.

******** the 85 kn LCA mk-1 has already done mach1.1 at sea level and mach 1.9 at high altitude is a given. The 95 kn proposed for LCA mk-2 will far exceed this
 
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