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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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Go spread nonsense elsewhere.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry on this forum knows what's happening.

LCA has a cranked wing, only because it is small enough to pull it off. No other reason. That's the reason ADA gave too.

This is my last post to you. Learn something credible before coming back. Learn what larger aircraft are capable of before posting here.
You never learn anything , You never quote any source.You never counter logical argument with logic.Who is the fool here. You just read some brouchers and your aerodynamic knowledge is net to nill. Who is th fool here.Since you aree never going to win the argument you are running away from it
 

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The 98Kn engine is meant for the MK2. The final specs for the MK1 will probably be best used as a trainer aircraft for the USAF. I think I mentioned that in the trainer thread.

Originally Posted by ersakthivel
That is why LCA has managed to go past 1350 km/hr at goa sea level.The original spec of 85 kn cannot achieve that and with the 95 kn it can go past 1350 km .so dont confuse memebers.With the higher power engine it has already cleared 22 degree AOA and its speeding up of FOC with more AOA is to be done with EASS consultancy. So no faulty airframe design in LCA

I agree that I falsely stated that 95 kn LCA mk-1 has done 1350 km/hr. It is actually the 85 kn lca mk-1 .but that doesnt take anything away from this debate. The rest of my post I stand by
 

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It only looks good on paper. Not in a real scenario.

The best capability against an aircraft is another aircraft, especially of the same or better capability. Using smaller aircraft means more pilots killed and lesser morale for the smaller air force. Your best buddy who you flew with for years got killed in combat simply because he was flying a less capable aircraft is not good for morale.

That and a host of other reasons are why even Russia and China are making top notch quality products in order to increase survivability. An idiot like you won't understand because nationalism and pride is on the line rather than critical thinking.
This argument is stone age. I didnt say that ucavs will fight against J-20 they will provide target information in a datalink. By the way without these same data links your J-20 is a blind bat,mind it.It relies on Awacs and other crafts for target information.Once you switch on the RADAR your stealth is history and you are not going home. All super duper counter measures can be find only in marvel comics
 

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Every Tom, Dick and Harry on this forum knows what's happening.

LCA has a cranked wing, only because it is small enough to pull it off. No other reason. That's the reason ADA gave too.

This is my last post to you. Learn something credible before coming back. Learn what larger aircraft are capable of before posting here.
I advice you learn the diferenc between a compound crucifix F-16 wing which is glibly called cropped delta.

i advice you can enlighten us with the knowledge what larger aircrafts can do with some credible source offcourse.

I advice You enlighten us all why the other super duper aircrafts cannot afford cranked delta.Otherwise I am going to give you double doctorate for this statement alone.
 

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Do you mean 90 kn LCA engine has to support 2o tons?
It does not work that way. It works by determining the volume of the aircraft, size of the power generators and capacity of the generators.

The electric power output of the MKI is three or four times that of the LCA. We don't have exact figures though. But what we can tell for sure is the MKI with enough upgrades can power a 20KW radar while LCA is restricted to a 5KW radar. Apart from that the MKI can be upgraded to deliver around 20-40KW of jamming power compared to LCA's 3-5KW at best and this considering we have the F-414 installed on the Mk2.

The Mig-21 Bison carries 18KW generators to power the 5KW radar apart from other electronics. I think an ADA released document suggested a 45kVA generator for avionics on LCA Mk1. LCA is expected to carry a 60kVA(I am assuming and necessarily not true) generator on the Mk2, the same as what the Super Hornet carries for one engine. It's rated at 50KW. So, while LCA carries one, SH can carry two and MKI with a greater thrust engine can deliver more power to the generator. The F-22 supposedly carries 2 x 70kVA generators while using 5th gen electronics working at 230VAC/270VDC compared to 115VAC/28VDC for 4th gen components .

If you really want a kiddy comparison, then MKI needs only one engine to fly and land.
 

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Come back after you actually learnt something instead of spouting nonsense about things you don't understand.

Something for you to think about,


Both are said to have the same capability in such a configuration when considering weapons and payload alone. Now imagine half the fleet is lost on both sides, that's 2 MKIs on one side. On the other side that's 6 Gripen + 1 tanker. The loss on the Gripen side is much heavier and greater. That's because at the end of the day, the MKI squadron is short of 2 aircraft out of 18 whereas a large component of the Gripen squadron is dead or extremely low on morale and will probably be grounded until replacements are found.

Also, in such a scenario, the MKI pilots have an easier time in maintaining battlespace control while the Gripen fliers will have a tougher time managing the same. In case all fighters on both sides are lost, the replacement fighters for MKI are far easier to achieve as compared to an entire squadron of Gripens and 2 tankers, especially considering the loss in manpower.

There are such simple things to consider, but kids like you are impossible to argue with because of lack of common sense.
What I said mate is that you can afford to have more Lcas in combination with SU-30 for the same budget.In the world You live there are no budgets I think.and You will never answer the following scenario.

How can SU-30 sized fighter aircraft manage to detect and launch a BVR missile on an LCA which has six time less RCS than SU_30?

You will argue that misssiles slung out will send higher RCS. How is that possible If Lca flies at alower altitude than the bigger craft?

We can easily know the altitude and direction of radar emissions.In this scenario the LCA will see first lock first and fire first.Can you dispute that?

By thee time SU-30 detects LCA its pilot will know the LC would have lready fired its missiles.If he hopes to make high G manouvers to escape he has to launch all missiles and release all payloads. So for all practical purpose the mission is abandoned. This is a scenario not a certainity. Even If su-30 launches missiles if it cant escape from :CA's missiles w or turned back to evaade Who will guide the missiles fired by SU-30 sized aircraft?
 

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******** the 85 kn LCA mk-1 has already done mach1.1 at sea level and mach 1.9 at high altitude is a given. The 95 kn proposed for LCA mk-2 will far exceed this
What are you talking about? LCA Mk1 is not expected to cross Mach 1.6. Also, how do you know the configuration for the Mach 1.1 flight? How much fuel was the Mk1 was carrying at the time? It is obviously not at combat loads because most of LCA avionics are not even integrated on most of the prototypes. Obviously this was a test, and hence was carried out without external payload.

Also, I cannot give links on pilots claims for the F-16s capabilities. It is hard to not believe because it still has the highest T/W in a similar weight class among all aircraft.

As for F-16 being an older design. That is true. But, it first flew in 1974. The Mirage-2000 isn't any different and first flew in 1978. ADA is just trying to get LCA to these levels in 2012, albeit unsatisfactorily. That's about it.

I never claimed you were wrong in some of your analysis. What I am saying is these supposed specs are still on paper and will take years before we see a 60s-70s technology base F-16 and Mirage-2000 level LCA in the IAF by 2018. The point is F-16 and Mirage-2000 are already obsolete in front of 5th gen technologies. The obsolescence level is simply to wide.

If you are comparing a F-16/Mirage-2000 with LCA, the difference isn't much. If you are comparing LCA to 5th gen aircraft the differences are way too vast to even be compared. It is just that both USAF and ALA consider F-16 and Mirage-2000 obsolete, the same as IAF considers the LCA obsolete. If you believe dog fights are the only way to compare aircraft, then that thinking is long gone.
 

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It does not work that way. It works by determining the volume of the aircraft, size of the power generators and capacity of the generators.

The electric power output of the MKI is three or four times that of the LCA. We don't have exact figures though. But what we can tell for sure is the MKI with enough upgrades can power a 20KW radar while LCA is restricted to a 5KW radar. Apart from that the MKI can be upgraded to deliver around 20-40KW of jamming power compared to LCA's 3-5KW at best and this considering we have the F-414 installed on the Mk2.

The Mig-21 Bison carries 18KW generators to power the 5KW radar apart from other electronics. I think an ADA released document suggested a 45kVA generator for avionics on LCA Mk1. LCA is expected to carry a 60kVA(I am assuming and necessarily not true) generator on the Mk2, the same as what the Super Hornet carries for one engine. It's rated at 50KW. So, while LCA carries one, SH can carry two and MKI with a greater thrust engine can deliver more power to the generator. The F-22 supposedly carries 2 x 70kVA generators while using 5th gen electronics working at 230VAC/270VDC compared to 115VAC/28VDC for 4th gen components .

If you really want a kiddy comparison, then MKI needs only one engine to fly and land.

I never said that LCAA has to do a james bruce lee fighting the su all alone The Lcaa in proper combination with dedicated AWACS platforms and dedicated Ew aircraft can be matched against the bigger crafts. If 2o ke is available to su-30 pray how much will be available to deddicaated EW crafts and AWACS? Still you pretend not to understand.The LCa with its limited range will be tasked to defend the main land with proper ground based SAMs and EW dedicated aircrafts and big AWACS. In that scenario how much will the 20 kw power of sukhoi can do?
 

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What are you talking about? LCA Mk1 is not expected to cross Mach 1.6. Also, how do you know the configuration for the Mach 1.1 flight? How much fuel was the Mk1 was carrying at the time? It is obviously not at combat loads because most of LCA avionics are not even integrated on most of the prototypes. Obviously this was a test, and hence was carried out without external payload.

Also, I cannot give links on pilots claims for the F-16s capabilities. It is hard to not believe because it still has the highest T/W in a similar weight class among all aircraft.

As for F-16 being an older design. That is true. But, it first flew in 1974. The Mirage-2000 isn't any different and first flew in 1978. ADA is just trying to get LCA to these levels in 2012, albeit unsatisfactorily. That's about it.

I never claimed you were wrong in some of your analysis. What I am saying is these supposed specs are still on paper and will take years before we see a 60s-70s technology base F-16 and Mirage-2000 level LCA in the IAF by 2018. The point is F-16 and Mirage-2000 are already obsolete in front of 5th gen technologies. The obsolescence level is simply to wide.

If you are comparing a F-16/Mirage-2000 with LCA, the difference isn't much. If you are comparing LCA to 5th gen aircraft the differences are way too vast to even be compared. It is just that both USAF and ALA consider F-16 and Mirage-2000 obsolete, the same as IAF considers the LCA obsolete. If you believe dog fights are the only way to compare aircraft, then that thinking is long gone.
No one will invite you and me for the demo man. I am also sure that you were not present on the ground whenthe F-16 lugged combat loads at mach 1.2 over the desert of pakistan at sea level altitude
 

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It is a press release from DRDO carried in INdian express national newspaper that LCA mk-1 has crossed mach1.1 (1350 km/hr) over hot air sea level trials in goa. The f-16 too cant do much better than that.And TWR of lcaa mk-1 is 1.07 with 85 kn .that is the official figure in wiki.as per wiki the ADA has released this figure on 2011 aeroshow.Not some pot
 

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What are you talking about? LCA Mk1 is not expected to cross Mach 1.6. Also, how do you know the configuration for the Mach 1.1 flight? How much fuel was the Mk1 was carrying at the time? It is obviously not at combat loads because most of LCA avionics are not even integrated on most of the prototypes. Obviously this was a test, and hence was carried out without external payload.

Also, I cannot give links on pilots claims for the F-16s capabilities. It is hard to not believe because it still has the highest T/W in a similar weight class among all aircraft.

As for F-16 being an older design. That is true. But, it first flew in 1974. The Mirage-2000 isn't any different and first flew in 1978. ADA is just trying to get LCA to these levels in 2012, albeit unsatisfactorily. That's about it.

I never claimed you were wrong in some of your analysis. What I am saying is these supposed specs are still on paper and will take years before we see a 60s-70s technology base F-16 and Mirage-2000 level LCA in the IAF by 2018. The point is F-16 and Mirage-2000 are already obsolete in front of 5th gen technologies. The obsolescence level is simply to wide.

If you are comparing a F-16/Mirage-2000 with LCA, the difference isn't much. If you are comparing LCA to 5th gen aircraft the differences are way too vast to even be compared. It is just that both USAF and ALA consider F-16 and Mirage-2000 obsolete, the same as IAF considers the LCA obsolete. If you believe dog fights are the only way to compare aircraft, then that thinking is long gone.
The weight of the to be inducted avionics is carried as dummy as per international certifying norms.ANd it further carries extra 500 kg telemetry equiment mate.


Why are you talking 5 gen.Dont you know your darling 5 gen F-22 spends 3 hrs in maintanence for ever hour flown?

The f-35 has much worse specss than Lca on all counts.And as per your logis it is a20 million dollar shithole dragging on for 17 long years.And world over you go to any forum you caan see people calling it a waste of effort,because once its short radar wavelenght stealth is blown it is a nice christmas turkey to shoot.
 

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well long range missile has odds of 1 to 10 man. Sorry mate all fighter pilots have to dogfight in future with short range missiles and cannons.Onle eleven percent hits can be guarenteed by long range missiles with today's counter measure standards.In future when your flying turkeys like J-20 and F-35 raise up it will be even lower.So If you have all stealth and no dogfighting airforcr you will have to surrrender after launching the first strike
 

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Originally Posted by Defcon 1
Hey, noob question. Are fighter groups actually formed between different fighters?????

I have always heard about only one kind of aircrafts in a squadron. Your tactical suggestion mandates that a heterogeneous squadron should be formed. Is it actually being done in practice?
Yeah. This was always the case earlier because aircraft used to be single role. Now with multirole aircraft, it is not such a strict requirement since strike aircraft are better able to defend themselves.

During Kargil, Mig-29s provided air support while Mirages dropped strike packages.

A 12 aircraft combination of Su-30K, Mig-21, Mig-29, Mirage-2000 and Mig-27 was used during CI-2004 against 4 F-15C.

Back in 2008-09 USAF started planning for mixed aircraft formations(F-15 and F-22) because of lower than expected number of F-22s in service.

In the future it is expected the 4th gen aircraft will work in tandem with 5th gen aircraft in most mission profiles. So in air to air, the F-15s can lay back with their radars on and provide targeting guidance to F-22s with their radars off. Similarly, Growlers can provide stand off jamming to help F-35s conduct SEAD.

This is the same stuff I am writing again and again .and this is the same role that every aeronautical expert worth his salt saya that LC is more than capable of.The Lca is meant to replace mig-21 only in airforce perception.But as per ADA specs it is as modern as any non stelth aircraft single engine aricraft can get.


Also kindly enlighten us why F-35 the single engine craft is persisted with by US? Does the US economy not big enough to support all F-22 airforce?
Even the F-22 is a flying blind bat and it requires on your poor fourth gen siblings to do the targeting.Then why are you vehemently opposing LCA fro thee saamerole with fancy arguments?
 

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What I said mate is that you can afford to have more Lcas in combination with SU-30 for the same budget.In the world You live there are no budgets I think.and You will never answer the following scenario.
I have been telling you since a long time. Budget is not an issue anymore. Squadron size is and MoD won't increase squadron size on a whim.

We are going for greater numbers of Sukhois and not otherwise. By 2030 you can say we will have around 600-700 heavy aircraft like MKI and PAKFA, maybe more. We will also have 126-200 medium size Rafales and would have started inducting 250+ AMCAs. That is IAF's plans for "today." Threats and Requirements change every few years. So, we don't know what IAF may plan for by the end of the decade. Something that may make MKI and Rafale wholly obsolete like how the LCA is today.

How can SU-30 sized fighter aircraft manage to detect and launch a BVR missile on an LCA which has six time less RCS than SU_30?
Because of a much more powerful radar with many more capabilities. If LCA has eyes, MKI is carrying binoculars. Large radars can be upgraded to be more capable much faster than small radars. Mirage-2000 pilots during exercises did say MKI have look first capability and this is only on the older version of Bars using training signals and not the newer Bars with double of everything and newer modes.

An LCA type aircraft can be picked up by the Su-35's Irbis from a distance of 400Km. The current version of the Bars can detect a LCA type aircraft from 250Km and track it at 150-180Km. Apart from this the design of the radar allows the radar more identification capabilities. For eg: If 4 MKIs and 4 LCAs are flying towards each other. The LCA will see all 4 MKIs as one single MKI whereas the MKI will see all 4 LCAs distinctly.

At best LCA's real capability against MKI type aircraft will be in the 150Km range because of a smaller radar and lesser power output. At greater distances, the resolution offered by the radar followed by the attenuation in the atmosphere may render the returning signals bereft of information. Similarly, an LCA class radar against another clean LCA would be in the 50Km range, quarter the range of the current Bars.

You will argue that misssiles slung out will send higher RCS. How is that possible If Lca flies at alower altitude than the bigger craft?
The distance between the target and the radar is enough for the returns to make sense. LCA is not designed as a stealth aircraft. Being a smaller aircraft, it has lower stealth, that's the only logic involved. Other than that, it is still a truck on a radar like the Bars.

We can easily know the altitude and direction of radar emissions.In this scenario the LCA will see first lock first and fire first.Can you dispute that?
It is not good to engage aircraft which is at a much greater height compared to yourself. The missile will lose all kinetic advantages. Comparatively the aircraft at higher altitudes will enjoy greater kinematic advantages and allows greater range and speed for BVR missiles.

If you are talking about 4th gen aircraft then both aircraft will more or less know where the other is, if radar capability is the same. Radar emissions alone isn't enough for acquiring a target especially if the target is not static. You need to be able to see the target continuously if you want a successful BVR engagement.

LCA and Mig-21 were never intended for taking long range shots. The idea is to ride behind a better aircraft and take pot shots at the enemy like the way they did at CI-2004 against F-15s while more capable aircraft were engaged in dog fights. Mig-21s did not even need radars. They moved in close and allowed the R-77 seekers to lock on to the F-15s before firing. So, LCA's purpose is to get a closer shot at the enemy. Nothing big there. As a stand alone aircraft it is worthless against a better adversary, same as a Mig-21. The reason is because of it's smaller visual signature. During the 90s and early 2000s, it made sense to preoccupy the enemy and generate kills using the smaller profile of the Mig-21 which makes it harder to see visually. This was because of lower capability of the BVR missiles of the time. So, an even smaller aircraft like LCA was a great idea for the time. Today, with new generation radars and greater capabilities of BVR missiles, a LCA class aircraft has lost all relevance. This is the same for all air forces around the world.

The other role is to disburse enemy strike formations.

An AWACS supported LCA is a great idea on paper. But in reality, the AWACS is a big bleeding target. In computer simulations over Taiwan, it was determined that the AWACS used, E-3, did not survive more than a few minutes in a squadron on squadron fight against Su-35s against enemy aircraft. Even when backed by F-22s, the AWACS was taken out very early.

Even today, the primary fear for the USAF against a China engagement over Taiwan is the survivability of their tankers, which fly well behind AWACS, while fighting Flankers. Let's not forget that Flankers were designed to circumvent fighters and engage AWACS, bombers and tankers over Europe and we aren't just talking about one or two AWACS there. We are talking about dozens of AWACS.

So, the next stop would be a stealth optimized AWACS. But even with that, LCA's payload is simply too less at 2-4 BVRs. Even Gripen NG will have 10 hardpoints with 6 BVR missiles. An fighter without weapons is nothing more than an airliner. More the weapons, the greater is the fighter. Lesser the weapons, the more obsolete it is.
 

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Originally Posted by ersakthivel
******** the 85 kn LCA mk-1 has already done mach1.1 at sea level and mach 1.9 at high altitude is a given. The 95 kn proposed for LCA mk-2 will far exceed this
What are you talking about? LCA Mk1 is not expected to cross Mach 1.6. Also, how do you know the configuration for the Mach 1.1 flight? How much fuel was the Mk1 was carrying at the time? It is obviously not at combat loads because most of LCA avionics are not even integrated on most of the prototypes. Obviously this was a test, and hence was carried out without external payload.

Also, I cannot give links on pilots claims for the F-16s capabilities. It is hard to not believe because it still has the highest T/W in a similar weight class among all aircraft.

As for F-16 being an older design. That is true. But, it first flew in 1974. The Mirage-2000 isn't any different and first flew in 1978. ADA is just trying to get LCA to these levels in 2012, albeit unsatisfactorily. That's about it.

I never claimed you were wrong in some of your analysis. What I am saying is these supposed specs are still on paper and will take years before we see a 60s-70s technology base F-16 and Mirage-2000 level LCA in the IAF by 2018. The point is F-16 and Mirage-2000 are already obsolete in front of 5th gen technologies. The obsolescence level is simply to wide.

If you are comparing a F-16/Mirage-2000 with LCA, the difference isn't much. If you are comparing LCA to 5th gen aircraft the differences are way too vast to even be compared. It is just that both USAF and ALA consider F-16 and Mirage-2000 obsolete, the same as IAF considers the LCA obsolete. If you believe dog fights are the only way to compare aircraft, then that thinking is long gone.

The F-16 pilots have flown only F-16s and no other crafts.They brag about it.Thas all. The vertical climb rate is high does not mean it can out fight a lower wing loading same thrust to weight delta in a climbing fight or high altitude fight. It can go up vertically at a specified rate.Thats all .All other parameters like ITR and high altitude performance are incidental to its design, which is a milstone around it's neck.

From the same f16.net forum you posted this scenario is clearly mentioned. that with higher ITR Mirages can shake off and target F-16 even in turning fight. And at high altitudes mirages always win handsome due to delta design. Please read
 

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Originally Posted by ersakthivel
******** the 85 kn LCA mk-1 has already done mach1.1 at sea level and mach 1.9 at high altitude is a given. The 95 kn proposed for LCA mk-2 will far exceed this
What are you talking about? LCA Mk1 is not expected to cross Mach 1.6. Also, how do you know the configuration for the Mach 1.1 flight? How much fuel was the Mk1 was carrying at the time? It is obviously not at combat loads because most of LCA avionics are not even integrated on most of the prototypes. Obviously this was a test, and hence was carried out without external payload.

Also, I cannot give links on pilots claims for the F-16s capabilities. It is hard to not believe because it still has the highest T/W in a similar weight class among all aircraft.

As for F-16 being an older design. That is true. But, it first flew in 1974. The Mirage-2000 isn't any different and first flew in 1978. ADA is just trying to get LCA to these levels in 2012, albeit unsatisfactorily. That's about it.

I never claimed you were wrong in some of your analysis. What I am saying is these supposed specs are still on paper and will take years before we see a 60s-70s technology base F-16 and Mirage-2000 level LCA in the IAF by 2018. The point is F-16 and Mirage-2000 are already obsolete in front of 5th gen technologies. The obsolescence level is simply to wide.

If you are comparing a F-16/Mirage-2000 with LCA, the difference isn't much. If you are comparing LCA to 5th gen aircraft the differences are way too vast to even be compared. It is just that both USAF and ALA consider F-16 and Mirage-2000 obsolete, the same as IAF considers the LCA obsolete. If you believe dog fights are the only way to compare aircraft, then that thinking is long gone.
The test pilot of LC is given an internatinal honour recently.So you dont have to think all published Lca figure is bogus.I guess
 

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Originally Posted by ersakthivel
******** the 85 kn LCA mk-1 has already done mach1.1 at sea level and mach 1.9 at high altitude is a given. The 95 kn proposed for LCA mk-2 will far exceed this
What are you talking about? LCA Mk1 is not expected to cross Mach 1.6. Also, how do you know the configuration for the Mach 1.1 flight? How much fuel was the Mk1 was carrying at the time? It is obviously not at combat loads because most of LCA avionics are not even integrated on most of the prototypes. Obviously this was a test, and hence was carried out without external payload.

Also, I cannot give links on pilots claims for the F-16s capabilities. It is hard to not believe because it still has the highest T/W in a similar weight class among all aircraft.

As for F-16 being an older design. That is true. But, it first flew in 1974. The Mirage-2000 isn't any different and first flew in 1978. ADA is just trying to get LCA to these levels in 2012, albeit unsatisfactorily. That's about it.

I never claimed you were wrong in some of your analysis. What I am saying is these supposed specs are still on paper and will take years before we see a 60s-70s technology base F-16 and Mirage-2000 level LCA in the IAF by 2018. The point is F-16 and Mirage-2000 are already obsolete in front of 5th gen technologies. The obsolescence level is simply to wide.

If you are comparing a F-16/Mirage-2000 with LCA, the difference isn't much. If you are comparing LCA to 5th gen aircraft the differences are way too vast to even be compared. It is just that both USAF and ALA consider F-16 and Mirage-2000 obsolete, the same as IAF considers the LCA obsolete. If you believe dog fights are the only way to compare aircraft, then that thinking is long gone.
The F-16s with which the comparision I amde have an engine thrust of 125 Kn they are the latest to be offered to the UAE.Not some 60s-70s stuff.
The lca mk-2 95 kn engine has an emergency mode of 120 KN, (which if used will shortern the engine lif)e if you can read authentic sources. So in combat when engine life is not the nuber one factor you can see the mind boggling possibilities ,I hope
 

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It is a press release from DRDO carried in INdian express national newspaper that LCA mk-1 has crossed mach1.1 (1350 km/hr) over hot air sea level trials in goa. The f-16 too cant do much better than that.
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And TWR of lcaa mk-1 is 1.07 with 85 kn .that is the official figure in wiki.as per wiki the ADA has released this figure on 2011 aeroshow.Not some pot
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T/W is not greater than 1 unless you remove fuel. Wiki is not official either.

Tejas - Specifications - Leading Particulars and Performance

This is official. Take off weight at clean load is specified at 9.5 tons. Thrust is obviously lesser than that. Add weapons and T/W is drastically lower. Even 4 missiles = ~500Kg or 10 tons for the LCA. How will that make it above 1?

The current plan is to make T/W = 1 with a 98KN engine.

Max speed is given at Mach 1.6, none of that 1.8 or 1.9 figure you pulled out of your ass. It handles the lowest amount of Gs among all aircraft of it's weight class.
 

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well long range missile has odds of 1 to 10 man. Sorry mate all fighter pilots have to dogfight in future with short range missiles and cannons.Onle eleven percent hits can be guarenteed by long range missiles with today's counter measure standards.In future when your flying turkeys like J-20 and F-35 raise up it will be even lower.So If you have all stealth and no dogfighting airforcr you will have to surrrender after launching the first strike
These figures would mean the LCA will perform even worse because the missiles carried are even lesser.

The figures currently known are estimates based on older missiles like the Aim-7, Aim-120A/B and not the latest like C-7/D or RVV-SD.

Also kindly enlighten us why F-35 the single engine craft is persisted with by US? Does the US economy not big enough to support all F-22 airforce?
Even the F-22 is a flying blind bat and it requires on your poor fourth gen siblings to do the targeting.Then why are you vehemently opposing LCA fro thee saamerole with fancy arguments?

F-22 carries, what is pretty much the best aircraft radar out there. You are the only bat here.

USAF is downsizing and hence "Gates" in all his glory thought USAF no longer needs F-22s. It is a mistake and the military chiefs have already explained that to the government. A call on F-22 will probably be made only after PAKFA and J-20 mature or if even 5th gen is made obsolete by then. The reason given is the Russians won't be able to induct enough PAKFAs before the F-35 reaches high numbers.
 

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The F-16 pilots have flown only F-16s and no other crafts.They brag about it.Thas all. The vertical climb rate is high does not mean it can out fight a lower wing loading same thrust to weight delta in a climbing fight or high altitude fight. It can go up vertically at a specified rate.Thats all .All other parameters like ITR and high altitude performance are incidental to its design, which is a milstone around it's neck.

From the same f16.net forum you posted this scenario is clearly mentioned. that with higher ITR Mirages can shake off and target F-16 even in turning fight. And at high altitudes mirages always win handsome due to delta design. Please read
I even quoted the words of a Mirage-2000 pilot claiming the F-16 is faster in the vertical, not a F-16 pilot. Idiot.

As for higher altitudes, LCA and Mirage-2000 will do better, but most dog fights happen at lower to medium altitudes. High altitude dog fights are rare.

The test pilot of LC is given an internatinal honour recently.So you dont have to think all published Lca figure is bogus.I guess
You are just referring to wrong figures. The published figures with 4 missiles would give you a T/W weight of 0.91. It is very very well known that LCA has a figure of less than 1 and was announced by IAF and ADA too.

Only idiots buy every claim a manufacturer makes.

The F-16s with which the comparision I amde have an engine thrust of 125 Kn they are the latest to be offered to the UAE.Not some 60s-70s stuff.
The F-16 Block 60 have GE engines with a thrust rating of 148KN. Go read up more.

The F-16 Block 52 has a thrust figure of 130KN on GE engines.

The lca mk-2 95 kn engine has an emergency mode of 120 KN, (which if used will shortern the engine lif)e if you can read authentic sources. So in combat when engine life is not the nuber one factor you can see the mind boggling possibilities ,I hope
Don't make up stuff on your own. There is no 120KN engine for F-414. If you wanna lie then make up some believable lie. Tell me your grandpa is ADA's chief or something and be done with it instead of spouting nonsense one after the other.

The only F-414 with 120KN is a paper tiger called EPE. It will be a whole new engine and IAF is not buying it.
 
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