ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[ersakthivel]

AN airforce is built with a present and near future threat in mind. It needs all class of fighters.single engined,twin engined,heaby medium and and light.

Airforces are built with budgets in mind.There is no poin in packing it with 600 or so highly effectibe fighters and sucjing your thumb when enemy launches 3000 fighters at you? Do you get this point P2PRADA? There is a chinese saying that there is a quality in quantity also.Simply you field 600 top class fighters your budget affords against 3000 low quality fighters from the enemy.

Say with 6 missiles for a fighter your top class airforce will run out of missiles after destroying about a 1000 fighters of your enemy.Because in a mele those are the odds givren to missiles.one in 5 may succeed.

Then can we face the rest of the war without airforce? I want some enlightenment on it.

 

[ersakthivel]

The LCA should be produced in decent numbers and operational experience gathered there will result in enourmous cost and time savings in AMCA.

If there are huge numbers of engines comming up for LCA mk-1 MK-2 MLU upgrades and AMCA in numbers there lies india's opurtunity to get a jv and throw enourmous money at engine development.People who are arguing against it are shutting the doors for future emergence of india as aeronautical power house.
Even Rafales can be fitted with the K-10 joint venture engines. AN oppurtunity like this wont arise in the near future with nuclear deal opening the doors free from technology embargo, dangle the money and nuumber of engines in front of FREBCH and get the K-10 up and running\.What is disheartening to me is that Jv with Snecma is not yet finalised.The IAF is once again objecting to it.With their claim that new JB wont produce 98 Kn.How come IAF i smore sure about it tham snecma?

 

[Defcon 1]

P2P. Why do you think LCA cannot be procured in large numbers? 272 MKIs+126 Rafales+214 PAKFA will still leave IAF short of 160 planes of the sanctioned strength of 42 squadrons. But all these planes won't be availible at the same time. FGFA production will start earliest by 2020. Rafale numbers won't be completed before 2025. Then again there is a naval version of LCA and a trainer version too. How can you be so sure that LCA will not be inducted in large numbers???

 

[p2prada]

hat's enough .stop posting your pet ideas. I too can keep on lying for ever.How can an aircraft with such a high wing loading can climb faster? Only tou and the pilot smoke enough pot. If you dont have the mind for accepting that with MLu of higher powered engine LCA mk-1 can out climb F-16 then I wont argue

Silly boy. This isn't my idea. It is a fact repeated by F-16 pilots many times on many forums.

How about getting the opinions of real pilots then,
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-490.html

Gums
Having only 70-80 hours in the F-102, I am here to tell you that the Mirage series took all the good, then improved upon it. Nevertheless, I did fly a delta and feel I can comment upon the basic characteristics of that design.

Everyone so far has been right about the sustained turn. Doggone deltas can really water your eyes for about 4 or 5 secinds, then they are baby seals waiting to be clubbed. However, they can zip around in the stratosphere at mach 0.95 burning same gas as a Viper or Hornet cruising at M 0.8

If you can't believe me, how about believing real pilots.

One more
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-1872.html

Wildcat
Nevertheless, the Mirage 2000 is fairly less powerful than the Viper, so that this advantage in speed and acceleration is negated as soon as you try to fit a decent bomb load on the Mirage 2000.

It is also true that the instantaneous turn rate of the Mirage 2000 is slightly better, but the sustained turn rate of the Viper is better, which is probably better in a dogfight, all in all. Dassault doesn't seem to talk about that too much...

Next,
Same thread,

duplex
A rookie in the M2K, however, will probably lose the F-16's climb. The more powerful viper will escape and will then gain the advantage because of 1) Altitude 2) Higher SUSTAINABLE turn rate.

There is a post by Gambit on this forum too, where he says the F-16 can even accelerate faster than the Mig-29 and obviously the Mirage-2000 in a straight dash as well as vertical climb.

It has nothing to do with wing design, all to do with engine power.

No, the Mk2's new engine will not give it the kind of superiority that is expected from F-16 in a vertical climb.

Besides I am asking one more question.Have the chinese shut down all production facilities of J-10? Please giVe me source regarding that.Not some pot again.

J-10 production is expected to go on until J-20s production starts. Actually the J-10 was inducted in 2004, so it's time line is different from the decade late LCA.

Give source regarding your claim that J-20 has 6m long internal weapons bay door opening.

J-20 is not expected to carry the K-100. The K-100 is 6m long. There is no known Chinese weapon of that size. There is no long range AAM development program known regarding China. So, this assertion is stupidity.

Also please ask your chinese friends to stick a 40 ton refrigirator to turn its exhaust into turd and drop it all over himalayas. So that it can fly into INDIA undetected by UCAbvs with evolved pay loads.

Y u no type English?

Also ask you chinese friends to ban the use of large wavelength radars so that we can all pass a motion in parliament to scrap Lca.

Everybody has long wave radars.

Also ask the chinese airforce to scrap all the mig,sukhoi clones and their J-10s. And go bankrupt with all J-20 airforce.

Mig clones will go. Sukhoi clones will stay and so will J-10 clones. It is very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very obvious you know nothing about air warfare.

With a small football sized IRST Russians are claiming that they can detect a F-22 40 kms away. Shall we all call them fools?

What will you do detecting F-22 at 40Kms? You will be dead before long. New radars will remove all stealth advantages some day. IRST is simply a detector. Nothing more.

What will happen tommorrow if under the econmic military influence of china Russians cut off spares to all your favourite toys in the air?

Then we will die. Regardless of how many LCAs we have.

Russia can no longer cut off spares supply because they will all be made in India.

Shall we all commit suicide? Come on what kind of argument is that? Only you and your grandfather can deliver A fly by wire ,composite fighter within 9 Years of actual funding as per your claim that ADA should have delivered the craft by 1999.

1999 was the goal. Not 2018. You are not in a research team obviously. How many times in your life have you skipped the deadline in your company?

And we will also outlaw all awacs.Despite ramming it again and again that all your fancied aircrafts rely on their AWACS for targetting.You are claimimg that J-20 will eat AWACS for breakfast.I can also claim that PAKFA will eat AWACS for breakfast and the field is level.Why i am not doing that is because if any real expert reads that he will laugh his ass off.

A real expert will tell you the same. J-20, PAKFA, F-22 are here to revolutionize warfare. This is just like how Babar came with guns and won the First Battle of Panipat or how Takeda's cavalry was smashed by Oda Nobunaga's guns in the Battle of Nagashino both in the 16th century.

F-22, PAKFA and J-20 have made all existing forms of air warfare obsolete. This includes AWACS and 4th generation aircraft. Why else do you think there is a 15x capability difference between F-22 and F-15?

The same way how tanks revolutionized warfare during the First World War.

Lumbering 30 tonners with just few KN spare power from their overworked engines and an EW suit that may weigh at the most a ton can defeat a 100 million dollar packed with end to end electronics AWACS.It can happen only in bond movies.And if someone smokes pot even to beleive that in a movie.

Yup. That's how it is. But this is not a movie, it is real life.

I also think that you have not read any up to date news regarding the fact that AESA beam concentrated from AWACS can fry (not jam) the electronics of modern fighters.Since you are refusing tpo come out of F-16 days what is the point?

OM Fvking God. Kid go home. Read up a looooooooooooooooooooooooooot more and let's try debating again.

If you can argue that LCAs pylons cant be strenghtened beyond 800 kgs. Then if tommorrow some 15 meter long 2 ton missile is invented with a range of 300 km , That can be launched from eben heavier aircraft, can I also claim that every J-20 is obsolete? Do you have any source that there will be no development in long range missile field for the next 15 years that will result in a missile that cant be Launched by J-20.If not then let me declare that all J-20 s are already obsolete I think that chinese should drop J-20 and develop even bigger plan.

Please tell me how many joints do you score every second? I wanna learn too.

Long range missiles are meant for heavy class aircraft.

K-100 and R-37 were made for Flankers. Aim-54 Phoenix was made for F-14. A new missile will be made for PAKFA. J-20 will also have a similar missile some day.

None of these will be fitted on LCA. It is a small, obsolete aircraft of the bygone era. As the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court had pointed out, what may be not state of the art in one country will be state of the art in another. It is the same case. LCA is obsolete. Period.

 

[p2prada]

P2P. Why do you think LCA cannot be procured in large numbers? 272 MKIs+126 Rafales+214 PAKFA will still leave IAF short of 160 planes of the sanctioned strength of 42 squadrons. But all these planes won't be availible at the same time. FGFA production will start earliest by 2020. Rafale numbers won't be completed before 2025. Then again there is a naval version of LCA and a trainer version too. How can you be so sure that LCA will not be inducted in large numbers???

I had this thing typed out some time back.

In the IAF squadrons are at a premium. There is a fixed number of squadrons specified by the MoD which the IAF cannot cross. So, it is IAF's decision on how best to use this premium space. If IAF is allowed 40 squadrons and they have decided on 500 LCA, then good bye India. The current plan is 14-15 squadrons of MKIs followed by 7 squadrons of Rafales. That's potentially 22 squadrons of high end aircraft. 2 squadrons of Mirages and 3 squadrons of Mig-29s bring it to 27. Add 7 squadrons of Jaguars we have 34. So, we have 8 squadrons empty, to deal with LCA and the newly inducted PAKFA by 2022. All the Migs save the -29 are gone by then. Even the 29s will be very old since the MLUs wont take long.

Now if MoD suddenly decides to increase the IAF's squadron cap of 42 to 50 by 2030. Do you actually think IAF will want to fill all that up with LCAs or FGFAs/AMCAs . Think. That's 8 squadrons. The plans are for 166 PAKFAs and 48 FGFAs. That's 10 squadrons. Follow that up with 4 squadrons of Rafale and an X number(say 4) of AMCA by 2030. 18 squadrons filled. The extra squadrons will be replacements for Mig-29s/Jags/Mirage-2000s that make up 12 squadrons currently.

Think logically, where is the space for hundreds of LCA? We can manage 20 LCA Mk1s followed by a potential 83 Mk2s. That's about it. IAF did talk about 6 squadrons of LCA in total. Nothing more, potentially something lesser.

I hope this gives you an idea.

The current plan is only until 2022. So, that's 42 squadrons by that time.

Also, only 8 LCAs are made every year and HAL has clarified there won't be an increase in LCA production for sometime. They are focusing on MKI and Rafale for now apart from Hawk, Pilatus and IJT. ADA has already blamed HAL for poor quality on LCA prototypes. So there is no interest from the industry either. After all interest of the industry reflects the user's needs.

 

[p2prada]

The LCA should be produced in decent numbers and operational experience gathered there will result in enourmous cost and time savings in AMCA.

That's why 100+ frames have been considered.

The IAF is once again objecting to it.With their claim that new JB wont produce 98 Kn.How come IAF i smore sure about it tham snecma?

Again with IAF.

AN airforce is built with a present and near future threat in mind. It needs all class of fighters.single engined,twin engined,heaby medium and and light.

Can you please point out what light fighters Russia and US are inducting?

Airforces are built with budgets in mind.There is no poin in packing it with 600 or so highly effectibe fighters and sucjing your thumb when enemy launches 3000 fighters at you?

The enemy does not have 3000 fighters. I put the PLAAF at 600 modern fighters(actually 300 Flankers and 250 J-10s) and 600 obsolete fighters(Mig clones) only a few days ago.

Do you get this point P2PRADA? There is a chinese saying that there is a quality in quantity also.Simply you field 600 top class fighters your budget affords against 3000 low quality fighters from the enemy.

Stalin said that you idiot! The Chinese and Russians have decided now it is completely wrong. PLA has shortened it's army strength by a million men already.

Something to open your blind self!!!
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During the Desert Storm operation, 25 F-15 fighters downed 280 various enemy aircraft, having lost none of theirs.

If our project fails, you bet that 15 years from now our aviation can cease to exist. Arms must be modern and first-rate, since lousy arms cannot be called arms at all.

Then can we face the rest of the war without airforce? I want some enlightenment on it.

The Chinese and US Air force will be of similar size in a decade or two followed by the IAF and VVS. So, what is it that you want to know?

The concept of quantity over quality is DEAD. Do you get this point ERSAKTHIVEL?

 

[Immanuel]

LCA obsolete? P2P, you loosing it man, the fact that we have been able to develop such a light fighter with a low RCS and decent performance is already pretty good, with an AESA, MK-2 engine, IRST, it would trump the Rafale too. comparing the LCA to Mirage 2000 is silly since it handling was already better than the Mirage with the F404 engine, it only got better and will improve drastically with the 414. Weapons like Derby, Python-5, R-77, R-73, Astra will be integrated and Griffin, Paveway and possibly Sudharshan kits also tested on it, once ready it will fire a host load of missiles, mate it with the CBU-97 SFW and you have one of the best fighters ever made. The thing is deadly, hardly visible in the air visually, low rcs by nature and improving as we speak. It's current EL-2032 based already out performs the RDY, it has nice CMDS, decent EW suite and RWR. It's core computers and future cockpit being proposed for mk-2 is also pretty good, even the Rafale won't match it's cockpit functionality. MK-2 will fly in 2014.

LCA on any given day is better aircraft to the Mirage and soon to be the deadliest single engined 4.5 gen fighter.

 

[Abhi9]

LCA obsolete? P2P, you loosing it man, the fact that we have been able to develop such a light fighter with a low RCS and decent performance is already pretty good, with an AESA, MK-2 engine, IRST, it would trump the Rafale too. comparing the LCA to Mirage 2000 is silly since it handling was already better than the Mirage with the F404 engine, it only got better and will improve drastically with the 414. Weapons like Derby, Python-5, R-77, R-73, Astra will be integrated and Griffin, Paveway and possibly Sudharshan kits also tested on it, once ready it will fire a host load of missiles, mate it with the CBU-97 SFW and you have one of the best fighters ever made. The thing is deadly, hardly visible in the air visually, low rcs by nature and improving as we speak. It's current EL-2032 based already out performs the RDY, it has nice CMDS, decent EW suite and RWR. It's core computers and future cockpit being proposed for mk-2 is also pretty good, even the Rafale won't match it's cockpit functionality. MK-2 will fly in 2014.

LCA on any given day is better aircraft to the Mirage and soon to be the deadliest single engined 4.5 gen fighter.

P2p is pretty adamant about his views on LCA. He won't budge even before the aircraft entire specks are out.he has his views and we have ours. There is no need to impose each others opinion on one and another. There's a very thin line between confidence and arrogance.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

LCA obsolete? P2P, you loosing it man, the fact that we have been able to develop such a light fighter with a low RCS and decent performance is already pretty good, with an AESA, MK-2 engine, IRST, it would trump the Rafale too. comparing the LCA to Mirage 2000 is silly since it handling was already better than the Mirage with the F404 engine, it only got better and will improve drastically with the 414. Weapons like Derby, Python-5, R-77, R-73, Astra will be integrated and Griffin, Paveway and possibly Sudharshan kits also tested on it, once ready it will fire a host load of missiles, mate it with the CBU-97 SFW and you have one of the best fighters ever made. The thing is deadly, hardly visible in the air visually, low rcs by nature and improving as we speak. It's current EL-2032 based already out performs the RDY, it has nice CMDS, decent EW suite and RWR. It's core computers and future cockpit being proposed for mk-2 is also pretty good, even the Rafale won't match it's cockpit functionality. MK-2 will fly in 2014.

LCA on any given day is better aircraft to the Mirage and soon to be the deadliest single engined 4.5 gen fighter.

lca mk2 surely will be better than current mirage 2000 and mark2 avionics can be as good as upgraded mirages in the future..but forget about lac out performing rafale.

 

[Defcon 1]

I had this thing typed out some time back.



I hope this gives you an idea.

The current plan is only until 2022. So, that's 42 squadrons by that time.

Also, only 8 LCAs are made every year and HAL has clarified there won't be an increase in LCA production for sometime. They are focusing on MKI and Rafale for now apart from Hawk, Pilatus and IJT. ADA has already blamed HAL for poor quality on LCA prototypes. So there is no interest from the industry either. After all interest of the industry reflects the user's needs.

Well, lets play on. Let us have a conservative estimate that in 2022, the sanctioned strength of IAF increases to 46 squadrons and not 50. By that time, 4 squadrons of LCA would already have been inducted. Therefore, the IAF would remain short of 8 squadrons. Now if the IAF goes onto induct only FGFAs, it will take around 10-15 years. No airforce would want to remain below sanctioned strength for so long. So the logical order at that time will be to order 4 squadrons of FGFAs and 4 squadrons of LCA. This will keep the PAKFA production line busy for 6-8 years, at the end of which it will be used to replace Mig29s followed by Mirages. That brings it up to a total of 9 FGFA squadrons. I believe the remaining 3 squadrons of FGFA would be met by a further increase in sanctioned strength which could take place after 2030. That means orders for 8 LCA squadrons could be confirmed.

I have assumed a lots of things in the above pargagrapth. But even if my assumptions are not entirely correct and LCA doesn't get orders for 8 IAF squadrons, total orders including the orders for NLCA and trainer LCA should certainly cross that number.

 

[Sunder singh]

India's Light Combat Aircraft
Prepares For Operational Clearance
By Jay Menon
Source: Aerospace Daily & Defense
Report

August 27, 2012
NEW DELHI — India's indigenously
developed Tejas Light Combat Aircraft
(LCA) is likely to win its final
operational service clearance,
following testing as part of an air
exercise in February.
The single-seat, single-engine
supersonic fighter will be put to the
test during the "Iron Feast" exercise to
be held in Pokhran in the western
Indian state of Rajasthan.
"The Tejas will display its capabilities
in the exercise, where its lethality,
endurance and precision will be
tested, and if the aircraft meets all
parameters, its first squadron will be
deployed in Bengaluru," says Air
Marshal Anjan Kumar Gogoi, chief of
Southwestern Air Command.
The Tejas is designed to carry air-to-
air, air-to-surface, precision-guided
and standoff weaponry.
As of March, the LCA had undergone
more than 1,816 test flights up to
speeds of Mach 1.4. Initial
Operational Clearance-1 (IOC-1) was
achieved in January 2011. According to
the Indian defense ministry, the Tejas
has undertaken weapon trials,
including flights with a laser-guided
bomb. Various sensor trials also were
conducted early this year. All told, the
Tejas program has clocked 1,903
flights, totaling 1,120 hr.
The Indian air force (IAF), which has
ordered 40 Tejas Mk-1s from
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL), has
begun to induct the LCA, according to
a ministry official. Out of the 40
aircraft, 20 were ordered under the
IOC standards, with the rest under
Final Operational Clearance standards.
IAF plans to induct six LCA squadrons
over the next 10 years, the official
adds.
The first two squadrons, comprising
40 aircraft, will have first-generation
Mk. 1 fighters. The additional four
squadrons would be more-powerful
Tejas Mk. 2s. The final price tag of the
Mk. 2 only will be available after its
development phase is complete , the
official says.
The LCA's design and development
program is being led by the
Aeronautical Development Agency,
with HAL as the prime contractor.
The Indian government so far has
approved 118.45 billion rupees ($2.1
billion) for the development of the
Tejas, of which 50.51 billion rupees
has been spent, the official says.

 

[Defcon 1]

I thought FOC was at the end of 2014. Now either I read wrong or the media persons are illiterate.

 

[A chauhan]

When LCA was conceived Indian economy was poor and there was a need of fighter of its class, only after PV Narsimharao it got better. But due to various reasons it got delayed including the lack of infrastructure. LCA out of its 25-30 years of life has lost almost 13 years in development stages, it may be a delayed fighter but not an obsolete one, however I agree that leading AFs are retiring or have retired light fighters and the sooner we retire lcas the better it is after all technological superiority over enemies must be achieved.

LCAs are not going to be pitched against J-20 s or F-22s so let it drop here.

IMO AMCA is also late, we should have started it 6 years back like IAC-2. Lets see how it goes, but something we should learn from the Americans is that they understand the importance of the technological superiority. They have expressed the need of 5th+6th gen combo AC which is impressive, we should also follow their line but it seems our govt alerts only after China achieves something.

 

[p2prada]

LCA obsolete? P2P, you loosing it man,

The only sentence in the entire paragraph that you are right about.

for the rest,

the fact that we have been able to develop such a light fighter with a low RCS and decent performance is already pretty good, with an AESA, MK-2 engine, IRST, it would trump the Rafale too. comparing the LCA to Mirage 2000 is silly since it handling was already better than the Mirage with the F404 engine, it only got better and will improve drastically with the 414. Weapons like Derby, Python-5, R-77, R-73, Astra will be integrated and Griffin, Paveway and possibly Sudharshan kits also tested on it, once ready it will fire a host load of missiles, mate it with the CBU-97 SFW and you have one of the best fighters ever made. The thing is deadly, hardly visible in the air visually, low rcs by nature and improving as we speak. It's current EL-2032 based already out performs the RDY, it has nice CMDS, decent EW suite and RWR. It's core computers and future cockpit being proposed for mk-2 is also pretty good, even the Rafale won't match it's cockpit functionality. MK-2 will fly in 2014.

LCA on any given day is better aircraft to the Mirage and soon to be the deadliest single engined 4.5 gen fighter.

There is no facepalm picture invented yet.

P2p is pretty adamant about his views on LCA. He won't budge even before the aircraft entire specks are out.he has his views and we have ours. There is no need to impose each others opinion on one and another. There's a very thin line between confidence and arrogance.

There is no cure for stupidity.

 

[p2prada]

Well, lets play on. Let us have a conservative estimate that in 2022, the sanctioned strength of IAF increases to 46 squadrons and not 50. By that time, 4 squadrons of LCA would already have been inducted. Therefore, the IAF would remain short of 8 squadrons. Now if the IAF goes onto induct only FGFAs, it will take around 10-15 years. No airforce would want to remain below sanctioned strength for so long. So the logical order at that time will be to order 4 squadrons of FGFAs and 4 squadrons of LCA. This will keep the PAKFA production line busy for 6-8 years, at the end of which it will be used to replace Mig29s followed by Mirages. That brings it up to a total of 9 FGFA squadrons. I believe the remaining 3 squadrons of FGFA would be met by a further increase in sanctioned strength which could take place after 2030. That means orders for 8 LCA squadrons could be confirmed.

I have assumed a lots of things in the above pargagrapth. But even if my assumptions are not entirely correct and LCA doesn't get orders for 8 IAF squadrons, total orders including the orders for NLCA and trainer LCA should certainly cross that number.

Let's not forget there are follow on options for the Rafale to be thought of. There is a chance we may order KDs for Rafale directly from France like we did for the MKI in 2007. There is also the issue of obsolescence that has crept up with the introduction of 5th gen aircraft. So, there is this nagging issue of how China will react to PAKFA and their own program's future.

As of today, N-LCA orders are for Mk2 and only 6 have been ordered. So, any Naval contract will be signed after 2018 when LCA will achieve FOC. IAF will still get the first set of aircraft though.

Also, we don't know how many FGFAs will be made a year. That apart we may see parallel inductions from Russia.

Even I speculated on 50 squadrons, but that is not guaranteed. All we know is IAF plans on having 42 squadrons by 2022 and out of that there will be 22 squadrons of MKI/Rafale followed by 12 squadrons of Mirage-2000/Jag/Mig-29. So, that's 34. Then there will be at least 2 squadrons of Mig-27 pending phasing out by 2025. That's 36. So, there are 8 empty squadrons to be filled by then, at the same time we know PAKFA inductions may happen. Today, we can say 3 squadrons of LCA have orders, 2 MK1 squadrons and 1 Mk2 squadrons.

I thought FOC was at the end of 2014. Now either I read wrong or the media persons are illiterate.

No. LCA Mk2 design stage ended very recently. Like a few months ago. They are currently building the first prototype. The first flight is in 2014. IOC is expected by 2016, that's when the first MK2 aircraft will be ready and will see an entire IOC squadron in 2 years. note that an "IOC" squadron will be significantly inferior in capability to actual FOC aircraft. In 2018, the first FOC aircraft will be inducted followed by a full squadron in 2020. So, the first Mk2 "FOC" squadron will be inducted in 2020.

At the same time as 2020, when we will have the first actual LCA squadron as thought of back in 1983-85, we will have almost finished 5 squadrons of Rafale F4 and perhaps inducted at least 3 squadrons of PAKFA. That's how it stands if everything goes according to plan.

The catch here is the aircraft will fly in 2014 and be fully inducted in 2020. However note that LCA first flew in 2001 and still has not seen even IOC induction in 2012. So, you need to be realistic with ADA's claims. There are a lot of other uncertainties in the LCA program. For eg: What if we are suddenly involved in a border war with Pak and the US decides to sanction the engines. The AESA will need technological input from a European, Israeli or American company and currently LRDE is looking for a development partner(note that it is not consultancy, but an actual development partner, as in a JV). Note that nearly all non-French western systems can be sanctioned. Only France may pull through. All of LCA's EW capability rests it's shoulders on Israeli company Elbit. As long as the Israeli company is using American technology, it can come under sanctions. Apart from all this there is a high chance ADA or even HAL may be cause for problems. Recently, when LCA stopped all flight testing for sometime, ADA blamed HAL for not building prototypes fast enough and also blamed Rains for the delay. So, you can say if there are any such delays, especially engine issues, then the program may be delayed again by many years or worst case, canceled.

The current plan for Mk1 is a squadron induction over 2 years after IOC(expected this year or early next year) and 2 years more for a squadron of FOC Mk1s. As of today, 2018-2020 is the most optimistic date.

 

[Sumonmitra20]

HAL Tejas, many people said many things, but it is what it is

HAL Tejas, many people said many things but it is what it is.

 

[Sumonmitra20]

Re: HAL Tejas, many people said many things, but it is what it is

 

[drkrn]

Re: HAL Tejas, many people said many things, but it is what it is

HAL Tejas, many people said many things but it is what it is.

the fourth pic here lca flying high over snow covered mountain.its my favorite can any one pls tell when and where it was taken that too 2 lca's what is the need to test two at a time?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: HAL Tejas, many people said many things, but it is what it is

the fourth pic here lca flying high over snow covered mountain.its my favorite can any one pls tell when and where it was taken that too 2 lca's what is the need to test two at a time?

If you see the photo, its written its a Photoshop..

 

[drkrn]

Re: HAL Tejas, many people said many things, but it is what it is

If you see the photo, its written its a Photoshop..

missed it