5 Indian Army soldiers martyred along LoC

[Ray]

Why does the army have to tell the polity, if they ever conduct a cross border raid.

Can they not ensure survivablity by sending a good number of Ghatak Commandos against a pakistani post which is manned by relatively less men. This way, even if we have casuelties, we can evacuate them.

Just my thoughts Sir.

Because the Govt if finally responsible for all what any Dept of India does.

 

[Ray]

A congenital bad ass, some minister in Bihar Govt by the name of Bhim Singh has let out putrefied air from his trap saying that " Soldiers are meant to die, what is the big deal ", we the Brotherhood of Stone ( ex war veterans) take strong exception to this statement and would like to educate this smelly oaf, that no sacrifice by an army man can be belittled by some semi literate, bogus leader, who claims to represent people.

There are many Bhim Singhs In India.

Some are crude like this oaf and some use fancy terms to say the same thing in a round about way to show that they are undertaking an intellectual discourse, as many do in the media, in the Parliament and in TV debates!

Is Anthony any better to give a blatant like that, at the time of giving the statement, he had that type of an information that there were also chaps 'dressed in Pakistani Army uniforms'?

Or that fool Khurshed who without knowing a sausage was hypeventilating?!

I can assure you that no Indian Army officer would state that there were some terrorists and some 'dressed in Pakistani Army uniforms'. Neither did the Army press release issued earlier said so!

 

[TrueSpirit]

It's already long been going on...

I think it is more like 1:1 or even worse for us

 

[davidbenjamin]

Because the Govt if finally responsible for all what any Dept of India does.

But Sir, is this not denting the morale of the troops on the LC.

What if more such incidents occur and the govt still does not have the guts to retaliate. What are the options before the army then ?
Being at home I cannot tolerate my countrymen being killed, I am not sure how the IA is controlled from not retaliating in the same fashion.

It is obvious that if we retaliate by firing at pakis from our side of the border, it is not going to be as effective as a cross border raid.

 

[Blackwater]

AMAR

AKBAR

ANTONY

 

[Blackwater]

According to J D bakshi , a divisional commander or maximum core commander is capable enough to respond of their own but afraid of dhoti wale netas in Delhi


Can Sir @ ray shed light on it??

 

[Ankit Purohit]

:gun::gun::gun::gun::gun::gun::gun::gun: FAkistan

 

[boris]

@Ray @Decklander

Antony accepts involvement of Pak Special Forces in killing of Indian soldiers(Update:Antony) | Business Standard

Antony accepts SSG involvement.

 

[Blackwater]

Siachen Hero wants India to act tough against Pakistan

Honorary Captain (retd) Bana Singh, the man who won Siachen glacier for India, wants the government to send a tough message to Pakistan that enough is enough and they are ready to take them on if need arises.

"Strict steps should be taken so that they (Pakistan) also come to know that our patience cannot be tested"¦ If they want to force something on us we are ready to deal with it... If Pakistan compels us, we are ready to fight them on", Bana told dna.

Bana, the then Naib Subadar of 8 Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry (JAKLI), was conferred with highest gallantry award Param Vir Chakra for displaying exemplary gallantry and valor in the battle of Siachen in 1987.

Pakistani army suffered major defeat in that year when Indian army led by Bana Singh captured their "Quaid" post located at 21153 feet which was later renamed "Bana" post. Bana Singh, who lives a post retirement life in small village of RS Pora in Jammu, was also conferred with honorary captain rank before his retirement.

"We also want good relations with new prime minister of Pakistan. What they do is contrary what they preach. Bus services, trains and truck are fine. But what they in turn are doing is danga fasad. They behead our soldiers and they kill our soldiers. Is this humanity? We are deployed to protect the country but they (Pakistani army) are heartless people ", Bana said.

Honorary Captain however puts the ball in the court of the political executive to take a decision about dealing with Pakistan.

"Whatever job is given to us we can do it as per the orders of the government. Their (Pakistani) army carries orders (to take action) with them while as we have to seek orders from Delhi. Either they (centre) can give orders or keep mum... Later they (government) will tell people that they would do something or they are going to do something. In this process the time will pass", he said.

Bana said entire country and even the ex-service men are ready to help and deal with any eventuality. "The force would always act as per the directives issued by the government. We are ready to deliver whenever we are ordered to do so", he said.

Honorary Captain hoped that the things will become clear once the army chief briefs the defence ministry. "Army chief is already here. He will take stock of the situation and brief the government. Then the statement will be kept before the parliament", he said.


LoC killings: Siachen Hero wants India to act tough against Pakistan - India - DNA

 

[captonjohn]

PA,PLA & IA, there are hundreds of incident taking place each months, these are not made public, making public does not helps matters as the people who dicuss these are mostly Military-Illiterates who bring there own views and feed that disinformation to general public..

This things makes political interference into military affairs, Which result slow decision making which only does damage to the moral of the solider and civilians.


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Btw, this tit for tat does not happens, IA have issues with fire support from other side which are suppressed time to time, this does not mean we go inside and do the same, Such activity will surely put the man out of the army..

I agree but Kunal, don't you think that situation is not good for us as our political weakness has imprinted a weak nation image in front of whole world. Think first china intruded and when we didn't responded well it repeated again and again. Situation has become worse as now countries inferior than us also dares to do the same kind of incursions and even killing our soldiers.

Tell me Kunal if Indian soldiers kills even single Pak soldier or even Bangladeshi soldier inside their border then do you think they won't retaliate? They will retaliate because they know when to act and we don't unfortunately. India is at great risk as our political weakness and ignorance will push us to a war that is inevitable.

Frankly Kunal if you or anyone including me were at the position of making a decision then such incidents could never happen but that is the problem. Corrupt, impotent people is running country and able are forced to stay behind them.

 

[Simple_Guy]

Officers face patrol quiz

At least three officers in the chain of command of the soldiers who were killed in the attack by Pakistan Army special forces and militants on Monday night are set to be quizzed on whether they enforced and monitored the norms set for patrolling the Line of Control. Army chief General Bikram Singh met these officers during his visit to Jammu yesterday. A court of inquiry was already ordered on Tuesday.

Monday night's attack was timed to coincide with the handing over of the Poonch sector by the 21 Bihar battalion to the 14 Maratha Light Infantry. The two Maratha soldiers in the six-man patrol — only one of whom survived the murderous assault — were being familiarised along a track in an area that is heavily mined.

For the attackers to have found their way in and out through one of the most heavily militarised borders of the world — militarised for more than 40 years — and into enemy territory required skills of the kind that the Pakistan Army's SSG was raised for, the defence minister was told in his briefing.

A large part of what the army chief learnt during his visit was from the account narrated by the only surviving soldier, Sepoy Sambhaji Kute, from the patrol. He is said to have learnt that the patrol engaged the attackers in a firefight despite being outnumbered.

Kute, who was injured but is not in danger, was also reported to have fired back and prevented the attackers from escaping with the weapons of his comrades

 

[Simple_Guy]

The "Group of 20" raiders in Pakistan uniform had split themselves at four places from where they fired at the area domination patrol of six Army jawans at 1 am on the intervening night of August 5 and 6

They appeared to have conducted recee of the area more than once identifying the route taken by the area domination party during the night and the places from where they had to fire on them.

Sources said the meeting at Kathak Government school between Mandola and Dera Sher Khan areas of PoK opposite Chakan-Da-Bagh sub sector of Poonch appeared to have taken place early last week. The attack on Army was planned in a bid to demoralize the troops, who had not allowed any infiltration attempt to succeed this year on the LoC.

Plot to kill soldiers hatched at PoK's Kathak school[/QUOTE]

 

[Ray]

@Ray @Decklander

Antony accepts involvement of Pak Special Forces in killing of Indian soldiers(Update:Antony) | Business Standard

Antony accepts SSG involvement.

He tried to get smart the first time by saying, 'dressed in Pakistani Army uniform', possibly at the nudge from the Godforsaken Foreign Minister we have, who finds intrusions as mere 'acnes'. That is why this man, our Foreign head honcho, was so vociferous to defend Anthony.

Army spokesmen are quite categorical in their reports and don't use silly terms as 'dressed in PA uniforms'.

And anyway, the flipping and flopping like seals in the Arctic has been exposed.

I am astounded that dialoguing with Pakistan is more important to the Foreign Minister and the Govt than repeated killings of our soldiers.

Is Pakistan more important to us than our own citizens' lives and those of the uniformed class?

I have seen quite a few TV debates yesterday and I was surprised that the Congress spokesman Gowde and more so the NCP chap, DP Tripathi was low keying the killing of soldiers and giving importance to the dialoguing with Pakistan as being paramount.

Interestingly, Tripathi's defence of Anthony was that he is a man of integrity and so we should take three bows, so to say!

What has integrity of a man got to do with the killings of our soldier?

These politicians can be real weird to justify the unjustifiable!

 

[ashdoc]

Naik Kundalik Mane cremated in Kolhapur with full military honours ( tears in my eyes as I read this in Times of India today morning--just couldn't stop them flowing)--- )


PIMPALGAON BUDRUK (KOLHAPUR): At 10.20am on Thursday, little Amol lit his father's funeral pyre in their native village. For a few moments, nobody moved or said anything. And then a sharp, loud cry of "Kundalik Mane amar rahe..." broke the silence and rang through the area. Most of the thousands of mourners broke down.

Amol was also crying, but at age 5 was too young to comprehend his loss. He was carried by his maternal grandfather Dnyanadev Shankar Kadav up to the platform built on an open ground for the last rites. Mane was cremated with full state honours.

Mane, 36, was killed when Pakistani troops entered Indian territory along the Line of Control in the Poonch sector in Jammu and Kashmir past midnight on Tuesday and ambushed an Indian Army patrol. He had spoken to his wife only hours earlier and had last visited his village in May.

The "soft-spoken'' and "helpful boy" had joined the Army in 1996 after studying till standard X. He was a naik with the 14 Maratha Light Infantry Regiment and was planning to retire next year.

The grieving Mane family, followers of the warkari sect, went through the last rites in a teary daze. Mane's father, Kerba, dignified and reserved through the entire hour-long funeral procession through the village's narrow lanes, couldn't hold back his emotions as the pyre was lit. He urged the Union government to punish the guilty. "It's not because my son died, he become immortal... it's for the sake of our nation, for which he died... take action," Kerba said.

The state police and the Army gave a 21-gun salute before the pyre was lit. The first salute was offered at the Territorial Army station located outside Kolhapur city, where his body was kept for a few hours in the morning.

The mood in the agrarian village, 45 km from Kolhapur city, turned gloomy as the truck carrying his body inched near his home at 7.45 am. The road entering the village was repaired overnight, chalk-pit marking was done and an open space near the village was temporarily converted into a cremation site for the martyr. Villagers had drawn rangoli on the road leading to the Mane residence.

Mane's younger brother Vijay fainted at the sight of the coffin. Vijay had received the first call from the Army on Tuesday night informing him about Mane's death. He has not eaten since and is being treated by local doctors at the public health centre.

Mane's wife Rajashree could barely walk to the coffin, which was placed just 30 feet from their modest home. Holding her two children, Aarti (9) and Amol (5), she halting approached the coffin wrapped in the tricolour and collapsed on reaching the spot. Mane was planning to take leave and come home for the upcoming Ganesh festival.

Mane's mother Nanubai and younger sister Vimal were also inconsolable. Last week, Vimal had sent him a rakhi for the upcoming Rakshabandhan festival and was expecting a call from him.

Cousin Tukaram Kuditre recalled how his brother, patriotic and proud of being the first from his family to join the Army, wanted his children to study well and become officers in the armed forces.

On Thursday morning, the village's largest open space was packed with relatives, friends and acquaintances from the region. Mane's body was placed on a garlanded tractor at 8.45 am and as the procession moved through narrow lane in Kolhapur's Kagal taluka, it took them one hour to cover the 1.5 km distance from his home. Children were carrying placards and shouting slogans against Pakistan. Women in the village, who usually do not attend cremations, also joined in the procession.

All roads of Kolhapur district led to Pimpalgaon Budruk, with every vehicle taking the turn on the Kagal-Murgud state highway, heading towards it. Villages on the way to Pimpalgaon Budruk had put up billboards and flexes on the roadside saluting Mane. Hundreds stood by the roadside to pay tribute to their beloved soldier. Senior Army officials, many ex-servicemen and politicians, including state home minister R R Patil, minister of home for state Satej Patil, guardian minister Harshvardhan Patil and labour minister Hasan Mushrif, paid tribute to the hero.

Mane had already started planning for life out of the Army. When he visited the village in May, he had talked about his plans of starting a school bus for children in the villages. Many children from the villages walk 5-7 km to reach school.

LoC martyr Naik Kundalik Mane cremated in Kolhapur - The Times of India

 

[pkroyal]

Today is the right day to strike back, while sweets are being exchanged across the Wagah border, festivities in Paki posts !! let the guys across get their Eidi from IA.

 

[pkroyal]

Irony of the situation;- Pakistan is_
1. 1/8 of our GDP.
2. 1/20 of our Landmass.
3. 1/3 of our Defence Forces (approx).
4. Hated & derided the world over.
5. A failed state.
6. At war within itself & without.
7. Dual centre's of power ( perpetually in conflict)

Yet it dares to stare at a Nation like ours ?? and wants to be treated as an equal on the high table.
Think what is wrong with who,where,when,what,why & how ??
Co- opt Army leaders in all strategic planning for Nation building. They are trained to think about issues other than I. me, myself ( which the politicians are adept at )
Youngsters about to join civil services, when ever in conflict or doubt, consult an Army officer and co opt in planning, we will have a safer nation.

Jai Hind ! Jai Bharat!!

 

[Blackwater]

Irony of the situation;- Pakistan is_
1. 1/8 of our GDP.
2. 1/20 of our Landmass.
3. 1/3 of our Defence Forces (approx).
4. Hated & derided the world over.
5. A failed state.
6. At war within itself & without.
7. Dual centre's of power ( perpetually in conflict)

Yet it dares to stare at a Nation like ours ?

? and wants to be treated as an equal on the high table.
Think what is wrong with who,where,when,what,why & how ??
Co- opt Army leaders in all strategic planning for Nation building. They are trained to think about issues other than I. me, myself ( which the politicians are adept at )
Youngsters about to join civil services, when ever in conflict or doubt, consult an Army officer and co opt in planning, we will have a safer nation.

Jai Hind ! Jai Bharat!!

becoz pakis knows, Indian army is under equipped. and for everything they need dhoti wale netas permission.even to fire a bullet.

 

[Tronic]

Sir, the Avenge has to be visible otherwise its not an avenge.

Indian Army has to come out of its 'world perception syndrome' dealing with countries like Pakistan who has no respect on this planet. I bet the world will cheer for India for punishing Pakistan.

Regards

"Visible" for whom? For people on defence forums like DFI and PDF to gloat over, or visible to the Pak army? Because I can assure you, the revenge is VERY visible to the Pak army..

India cannot trade it's national security for the sake of forum members to trumpet such things.. I'd rather India have the upper hand in the region, by disallowing unity among enemy ranks, than trade that to win a pissing contest on online forums..

 

[captonjohn]

We must retaliate at the places where we are in good position and take them just like they took ours. A tit for the tat is necessary sometimes.

 

[Ray]

Today is the right day to strike back, while sweets are being exchanged across the Wagah border, festivities in Paki posts !! let the guys across get their Eidi from IA.

Well said.

Today, they will be busy with their prayers and generally in a relaxed festive mood and hence, a wee bit slack.

Something what happened in the Yom Kippur War.

If nothing else, it will spoil their day of festivity!