2016 India–Pakistan military confrontation

[aditya g]

One more martyred , this is getting way too much
Bring in Bofors and bramhos batteries and light up the fucking border

You are reacting as if only we are loosing men. This is a war and both sides loose men and resources.

You dont need brahmos to take out targets on LoC.

Bofors will help but clearly situation has not demanded same else Army would have done it by now. They destroyed 4 bunkers in one example.

 

[IndianHawk]

Why do we keep publicizing our casualties? I think this must stop. The Porkis never do this as it affects morale.

Well porkies lie to the families of their soldiers by saying that their son /husband died by falling in gutter

That is what breaks moral. Not the cold hard truth

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Why do we keep publicizing our casualties? I think this must stop. The Porkis never do this as it affects morale.

Its done for a reason......................

 

[aditya g]

I hope fellow members of the forum have not ignored this article.

SurgicalStrikes and Operations Ginger were glamourous, but these fire assaults are no less important. The planning and firepower employed are just as awesome.

Hints on ATGMs being used.

“Indian troops changed the projectile and trajectory of the mortars in a manner that they directly hit the posts. At the same time, troops opened fire with light, medium and heavy machine guns. It created confusion among the Pakistani troops,” said an officer.

After pulverising the posts, the Indian Army used rocket launchers to pin down the posts on the ground. “Rockets were fired from different angles, so that the posts were brought down in quick succession. Later, flat-projectile weapon systems were used to ensure that the enemy suffers heavy casualty and none of the troops guarding the posts flee,” said an officer.

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After September 29, when the Indian Army took the Pakistan army by surprise through the surgical strikes on terror launch pads in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), they went into the assault mode again on Saturday.

The Indian Army decimated four outposts of the Pakistan army, along the Line of Control (LoC), opposite the Keran sector in north Kashmir. “Four Pakistani posts were destroyed in a massive fire assault in the Keran sector. Heavy casualties inflicted,” tweeted the Army’s Northern Command.


Officers privy to the action describe the assault as a coup de maître as the Pakistan army was given no time to respond to the barrage of firepower using heavy-weapon systems. “These four posts were tactically placed and used to facilitate infiltration by the militants,” said an Army officer.

Decimating the posts was not an action taken overnight or in a hurry, they said. But the decapitation of the soldier in the Machil sector on Friday proved to be the trigger and the action, which was in the planning stage, was fast-tracked. Earlier on Saturday, a BSF soldier and a woman were injured when the Pakistan army violated ceasefire in Keran sector.

“It was a carefully-planned operation. From gathering information to keeping a close vigil on Pakistani posts and watch towers, preparing for the assault and using heavy-weapon systems, everything was carefully planned beforehand,” said an officer.

Seven Pakistani posts were chosen for the assault and four were completely destroyed. Under a comprehensive plan, Indian Army troops in strategically located posts launched a multi-pronged offensive to pin down the posts.

“Indian troops changed the projectile and trajectory of the mortars in a manner that they directly hit the posts. At the same time, troops opened fire with light, medium and heavy machine guns. It created confusion among the Pakistani troops,” said an officer.

After pulverising the posts, the Indian Army used rocket launchers to pin down the posts on the ground. “Rockets were fired from different angles, so that the posts were brought down in quick succession. Later, flat-projectile weapon systems were used to ensure that the enemy suffers heavy casualty and none of the troops guarding the posts flee,” said an officer.

The difference in the surgical strikes and the destruction of posts was that the Indian Army did not cross the LoC in the Keran sector on Saturday, while it went deep into PoK for the surgical strike on (September 29.)

“On Saturday, we maintained an element of surprise. After beheading our soldier, Pakistan might have been preparing for surgical strikes from our side. But we carried out the action in such a manner that their posts were destroyed and inflicted huge casualties by using fire power without crossing the LoC,” said another officer.

Figures reveal that Pakistanis have carried out 57 ceasefire violations on the borders since the surgical strike. Around 405 incidents of cross-border firing have taken place along the border in Jammu and Kashmir in 2015, resulting in the death of 16 civilians. Of these, 253 incidents of cross-border firing have taken place along the International Border and 152 along the LoC.

 

[Nicky G]

Why do we keep publicizing our casualties? I think this must stop. The Porkis never do this as it affects morale.

Does such news make you angry? Do you think it makes the average Indian angry? If so, its serving a purpose.

Besides, as a civilized nation and not 'terrorist central', it would be a disservice to our brave men to sweep their deaths under the rug unless immediate release of news endangered national security in any way.

 

[sorcerer]

Why do we keep publicizing our casualties? I think this must stop. The Porkis never do this as it affects morale.

Ofcourse it affects morale which lead to surgical strikes and then which lead to destruction of paki strategic posts.

It takes more than courage to accept certain truths.. India publicize its casualties as Indian army is not liars like pakis.

pakis are pussies that they live in false bravado and never accept the dead. its damaging their morale more than good.

 

[Helms deep]

Some local news channels saying that Pak army crossed loc, but due to our retaliatory strike, they fled back.... Is this true???

 

[Screambowl]

You are reacting as if only we are loosing men. This is a war and both sides loose men and resources.

You dont need brahmos to take out targets on LoC.

Problem is only we are hearing news where as the psywar on pakis is getting unsuccessful ... This will ony create more pressure on centre if such news keep on coming. Because no Indian is seeing Pakis in panic.

They are not even discussing the issue.

 

[sorcerer]

Problem is only we are hearing news where as the psywar on pakis is getting unsuccessful ... This will ony create more pressure on centre if such news keep on coming. Because no Indian is seeing Pakis in panic.

They are not even discussing the issue.

pakis are panicking..
Indians know Indian army is kicking them bad..
Let the Indian concentrate on productivity and economy why discuss the issue when the Indian army is doing their part well.Why should they discuss the issue which is very much a domain of capable Indian army

As in a previous post here with an article which is in a MAIN STREAM MEDIA ..the BSF has said how carefully they are planning assult on pakis and their strategic points and assets.
So yes..Indian army is very well in control and having an upper hand.
Indian are not worried about like pakis because we know the capability of our army and the cowardliness of pakis

Whenever there is a news in the Indian media about pakis its always a WONDERFUL news about a bunch of porks (10 +)getting killed.

 

[Screambowl]

pakis are panicking..

their citizens are not .... In India the citizens are so as if preparing for a war.

THIS Psychological war is not for army but for citizens. There they do not even know what is going on. Otherwise their army would have called for unity. But Imran Khan is doing Dharna in Islamabad. This is not unity. .. which means they are not in panic.

The only panic is army might take over. Other than this they do not have any other issue. But that's normal for Pakis.

Looks like they took Modi's advise seriously for betterment of their economy ..

 

[Nicky G]

Some local news channels saying that Pak army crossed loc, but due to our retaliatory strike, they fled back.... Is this true???

Not sure but have heard that they made a couple of attempts but due to inability to plan and execute on the level we did, plus preparedness on our side, they were kicked back like the dogs they are.

their citizens are not .... In India the citizens are so as if preparing for a war.

THIS Psychological war is not for army but for citizens. There they do not even know what is going on. Otherwise their army would have called for unity. But Imran Khan is doing Dharna in Islamabad. This is not unity. .. which means they are not in panic.

The only panic is army might take over. Other than this they do not have any other issue. But that's normal for Pakis.

Looks like they took Modi's advise seriously for betterment of their economy ..

Its good if our citizens are preparing for a war. Its even better if theirs are complacent.

 

[Screambowl]

Its good if our citizens are preparing for a war. Its even better if theirs are complacent.

May be their intelligence told them war is not on the cards, this is why they are not doing any halla. Because after the SP party of Mullah yadav came into scanner due to espionage, what I have started to conclude that war is not going to happen and parties like SP, AAP etc will be under scanner in near future... and Pakis also think that may be Modi is trying to supress the SP and BSP, cOngis in UP ...

As far I know Pakis they are not the people who remain silent ... if there is war like situation at border.

I could be wrong!

 

[Project Dharma]

May be their intelligence told them war is not on the cards, this is why they are not doing any halla. Because after the SP party of Mullah yadav came into scanner due to espionage, what I have started to conclude that war is not going to happen and parties like SP, AAP etc will be under scanner in near future... and Pakis also think that may be Modi is trying to supress the SP and BSP, cOngis in UP ...

As far I know Pakis they are not the people who remain silent ... if there is war like situation at border.

I could be wrong!

Neither country has money for an all out war.
Even Kargil type war would push back India's economy by a decade and completely derail development. Pakistan's economy would be completely destroyed, it would take them fifty years to recover. India doesn't want a completely collapsed nuclear Islamic state as a neighbor. Conclusion is that war is not on the table.

 

[sorcerer]

their citizens are not .... In India the citizens are so as if preparing for a war.

THIS Psychological war is not for army but for citizens. There they do not even know what is going on. Otherwise their army would have called for unity. But Imran Khan is doing Dharna in Islamabad. This is not unity. .. which means they are not in panic.

The only panic is army might take over. Other than this they do not have any other issue. But that's normal for Pakis.

Looks like they took Modi's advise seriously for betterment of their economy ..

pakis are as usual clueless.

Imran Khans dharna will get support as its the mentality of the crowd to follow the one thats either making a huge noise who is talking their terms or the one that will provide them protection and or the one who is doing both.

Let it be...all the good for India...pakis can be burned at both ends and the middle

Modis advice is prior to the surgical strike that is to the world nations that If India is doing something in pakistan its against terrorism and not against the people of pakistan..meaning even paki people dont want terrorismon their soil..

 

[Project Dharma]

Problem is only we are hearing news where as the psywar on pakis is getting unsuccessful ... This will ony create more pressure on centre if such news keep on coming. Because no Indian is seeing Pakis in panic.

Agree completely, time to release photos or footage from surgical strike. Pakistani army needs to lose complete credibility in front of their public.

 

[Nicky G]

May be their intelligence told them war is not on the cards, this is why they are not doing any halla. Because after the SP party of Mullah yadav came into scanner due to espionage, what I have started to conclude that war is not going to happen and parties like SP, AAP etc will be under scanner in near future... and Pakis also think that may be Modi is trying to supress the SP and BSP, cOngis in UP ...

As far I know Pakis they are not the people who remain silent ... if there is war like situation at border.

I could be wrong!

What can they do but remain silent? Go against their army, never.

War or not, some serious action is inevitable as Pakis will never stop trying to hurt us as long as they exist. They will succeed once in a while. Even the SIMI terrorists who escaped today were apparently planning something.

 

[Nicky G]

Agree completely, time to release photos or footage from surgical strike. Pakistani army needs to lose complete credibility in front of their public.

No point. They'll claim they are doctored no matter we share. You are misjudging their basic nature if you believe that'll work. The only way for their people to give up on their army is to beat them in a conflict, as decisively as '71 and then hold onto to the territory gained.

 

[sorcerer]

Agree completely, time to release photos or footage from surgical strike. Pakistani army needs to lose complete credibility in front of their public.

pakis dont even accept the defeats in war they faced with India in real world where WORLD HISTORY took not of it..
do you expect pakis or the paki assets in India to accept the surgical strike videos?

 

[Project Dharma]

No point. They'll claim they are doctored no matter we share. You are misjudging their basic nature if you believe that'll work. The only way for their people to give up on their army is to beat them in a conflict, as decisively as '71 and then hold onto to the territory gained.

pakis dont even accept the defeats in war they faced with India in real world where WORLD HISTORY took not of it..
do you expect pakis or the paki assets in India to accept the surgical strike videos?

Maybe most will not believe but some will, it's also for consumption of domestic audience. Land grab can be done in addition to releasing footage. India should be firing on all cylinders. I'm salivating at the prospect of Indian planes flying over Pak dropping propaganda pamphlets.

 

[aditya g]

Problem is only we are hearing news where as the psywar on pakis is getting unsuccessful ... This will ony create more pressure on centre if such news keep on coming. Because no Indian is seeing Pakis in panic.

They are not even discussing the issue.

If you were to pursue your thought process to logical conclusion, we would be sitting at home and taking in losses without any retaliation.

Denial is the safe haven of the delusional. Let Pakis deny, but the people who need to know know.

There are coffins going back as we speak, or even no coffins going back. People realizing men are being wasted and not even acknowledged though nobody is talking (panicking) about it. This reduces the credibility of the Pakistani state in their own citizens eyes.

When Kargil happened, the credibility of Pak establishment took a major hit and ultimately civilian government was thrown out.

You & me as an Indian should firm up your own psyche and be ready to accept losses. We also need to be firm enough to see the other side accept losses and carry on.