2016 India–Pakistan military confrontation

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[Bornubus]

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[raja696]

Attack on 16 Corps is attack on Nation akin to declaration of war.


In 1971 Pak launched preemptive strikes on IAF bases now in 2016 Paki do this via proxies. Very effective strategy to kill HVT a rank of Major.


If they succeeded then entire Officers mess would've been wiped out.

Last time we lost a col in Samba.

Why is that overt or covert synergies can't be a threat enough to chiefs, majors, isi goons. Why are we so weak that we cannot threaten there existence.

Do we have capabilities to assassinate selected individual brains in pak organisations planning against our nation.

*what I meant was target killing there establishment inside there country*

Under no circumstances I doubt our armed forces capabilities to reach enemy militarily.

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[Bornubus]

Do we have capabilities to assassinate selected individual brains in pak organisations planning against our nation.

I am not in the establishment. But we do have the military ability to wipe out terror leader and their infrastructure in Muridke and Muzzadarabad.

 

[Chinmoy]

Do we have capabilities to assassinate selected individual brains in pak organisations planning against our nation.

Problem is, we don't want to destabilize Nawaz regime. Napoleon once famously quoted, "When your enemy is making mistake, don't try to stop him".

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

So the troop movement along LOC was a deterrence against India's surgical strikes. While they carry out attacking Indian soldiers using proxies.

What will our response be? Will there be a response from our side for losing just 3 soldiers?

India has to think of something to end this 1000 cut war.

 

[Chinmoy]

So the troop movement along LOC was a deterrence against India's surgical strikes. While they carry out attacking Indian soldiers using proxies.

What will our response be? Will there be a response from our side for losing just 3 soldiers?

India has to think of something to end this 1000 cut war.

Didn't we replied recently for another triple murder?????

 

[Bornubus]

Problem is, we don't want to destabilize Nawaz regime.

Why is that ? Is Nawaz is related to us anyhow.

 

[Bornubus]

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This won't prove nothing. US marking stuff is easily available in Darra Adam khel and other nearby regions.


In 2002 Indian Army captured POF made ANZA Manpads from terrorist. India didn't do anything so what now.

 

[Chinmoy]

Why is that ? Is Nawaz is related to us anyhow.

Actually in a matter yes. You see India would be very much happy to have a good for nothing governance in Pakistan to push it towards pit fall. As of today Pakistan is technically bankrupt and its international debt is on rise. Any short of HV civilian target erase would mean total failure of so called democracy in Pakistan. It would be military taking over Pakistan or someone with military backing that too without a coup.

Have a look at their analyst discussing their civil condition. Pakistan is right now in a tumultuous civil condition and its in our greater good to keep them like that. One thing we could do is to keep their Army engaged up in eastern and western border. Just keep the army away from civil issues.

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Actually in a matter yes. You see India would be very much happy to have a good for nothing governance in Pakistan to push it towards pit fall. As of today Pakistan is technically bankrupt and its international debt is on rise. Any short of HV civilian target erase would mean total failure of so called democracy in Pakistan. It would be military taking over Pakistan or someone with military backing that too without a coup.

Have a look at their analyst discussing their civil condition. Pakistan is right now in a tumultuous civil condition and its in our greater good to keep them like that. One thing we could do is to keep their Army engaged up in eastern and western border. Just keep the army away from civil issues.

Piling debts doesn't break a country apart.
A military takeover will be helpful for India with this we can take back POK and create balochisan. Siding with civilian government won't help us in any way.

 

[Bornubus]

Actually in a matter yes. You see India would be very much happy to have a good for nothing governance in Pakistan to push it towards pit fall.

You mean we would be happy to see a stable Nawaz government who officially sanction money to Jihadi Tanjeem in lieu of votes.


Nawaz core constituency is rural Punjab a Jiahdi nursery for whole South Asia. Majority of the terrorist active in the valley are his voters back in Pak.


Kasab was from Okara.


Next you might say that Nawaz wants peace with India but is under pressure from Military.

 

[raja696]

Lol after all this who will believe civilian government en Pakistani army are two different entities.

When it comes to India both of them are one. After all there power originate from hate against Bharat.

I can only put it this way. if we choose between civilian or military of Pakistan. Its like choosing how Indians should die either through civilian or military leadership of pak.

Best kill both termites at one time.

 

[Chinmoy]

@Akshay_Fenix @Bornubus ............. Even if Military or lets assume Imran Khan take over Pakistan, they would not stop funding the terrorist. It is always their state policy and no matter whoever is in helm would follow it to books. Only their way of working would change. Right now Pakistan is facing lot of criticism for its governmental policy failure across world. Do you want to see change in world view which would automatically come with a change in regime?

The thing which goes in India's favour right now is that the citizens are not backing up Nawaz. @Akshay_Fenix .... A country does break up when citizens are against the policies and politics of the regime. With change in governance chances of public follow up the new regime increases and it in turn would lead you to change your doctrine. Now do you want India to do that in current situation?

Even if there is a military takeover, global pressure would mount on India to open dialogue doors in the pretext of a changed governance. Now this would not be a good thing for India, both externally and internally.

 

[Bornubus]

@Akshay_Fenix @Bornubus ............. Even if Military or lets assume Imran Khan take over Pakistan, they would not stop funding the terrorist. It is always their state policy and no matter whoever is in helm would follow it to books. Only their way of working would change. Right now Pakistan is facing lot of criticism for its governmental policy failure across world. Do you want to see change in world view which would automatically come with a change in regime?

The thing which goes in India's favour right now is that the citizens are not backing up Nawaz. @Akshay_Fenix .... A country does break up when citizens are against the policies and politics of the regime. With change in governance chances of public follow up the new regime increases and it in turn would lead you to change your doctrine. Now do you want India to do that in current situation?

Even if there is a military takeover, global pressure would mount on India to open dialogue doors in the pretext of a changed governance. Now this would not be a good thing for India, both externally and internally.

In my opinion only policy which will bring both Civilian and Military rulers of Pakistan to their knees is to increase the Cost of our blood.

"Darja e Hararat" in Military on LOC.


This attack is no coincidence this is to give a signal that they wipe Peace with their asses. Army should also send a clear signal over LOC like the pain they felt when several killed in BUS attack and million of Rs worth property damaged in our retaliation.


For that we need preparation from our side. First is to relocate Border Villages permanently after due compensation.

Or if this is not possible then fill Paki Villages and their farmland with shrapnels in retaliation.

 

[Bornubus]

I also don't like Parrikar said that we don't want to fire at you unless you do the same.


He probably missed the Pak proxies part. He must have made it clear that if Indian dies because of Paki Jihadis then punishment on LOC is justified


Essentially India don't have any defined anti terrorist policy or SOPs.

Nobody knew the response of India

 

[Chinmoy]

In my opinion only policy which will bring both Civilian and Military rulers of Pakistan to their knees is to increase the Cost of our blood.

"Darja e Hararat" in Military on LOC.


This attack is no coincidence this is to give a signal that they wipe Peace with their asses. Army should also send a clear signal over LOC like the pain they felt when several killed in BUS attack and million of Rs worth property damaged in our retaliation.


For that we need preparation from our side. First is to relocate Border Villages permanently after due compensation.

Or if this is not possible then fill Paki Villages and their farmland with shrapnels in retaliation.

This is one of the policy and India is doing that right now. Have you ever heard of such retaliation in past? Moreover if we think that we would drive them into weapon purchase spree, then we would be indirectly strengthening China in our western front too along with North and East. We need to look out for that too...

 

[Chinmoy]

I also don't like Parrikar said that we don't want to fire at you unless you do the same.


He probably missed the Pak proxies part. He must have made it clear that if Indian dies because of Paki Jihadis then punishment on LOC is justified


Essentially India don't have any defined anti terrorist policy or SOPs.

Nobody knew the response of India

Mr Parikar is a politician. Now you can't expect a politician to give some outrageous comments in public. He would have to show himself politically correct in public. No one could help him with it.

But didn't he too said that we have given a free hand to Army to deal with any sort of situation? Its up to Army on how to retaliate in conditions like this.

IMO, a well directed Artillery shell should be fired anytime Azhar Masood or Hafeez Saeed comes within our range.

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Mr Parikar is a politician. Now you can't expect a politician to give some outrageous comments in public. He would have to show himself politically correct in public. No one could help him with it.

But didn't he too said that we have given a free hand to Army to deal with any sort of situation? Its up to Army on how to retaliate in conditions like this.

IMO, a well directed Artillery shell should be fired anytime Azhar Masood or Hafeez Saeed comes within our range.

2 days back Parrikar talked about gouging paki eyes. In a pre Modi government era that statement would have been made into a 1 week prime time debate, but now people do not give a fuck.

 

[Screambowl]

you cannot do anything about proxy... Pakistan will continue this.

They are basically trying to maintain conventional equilibrium.