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[vampyrbladez]

Are we buying 464 T90s or T90ms

T 90 S/SK variant Bhishma as per IHS Janes.

Industry sources said the order is part of a series of earlier contracts agreed upon with the HVF in 2006-07 to licence-build 1,000 T-90Ss - designated 'Bhishma' in Indian service - under a transfer of technology agreement signed with Russia.

IA sources told Jane's that these glitches have now been resolved, with the latest order for 464 T-90S tanks meant to complete the previous agreement with HVF for the licensed production of 1,000 of these platforms.

T 90 MS tanks are to be bought using knock down kits under a separate deal.

The recently signed agreement is separate from the planned INR134.48 billion acquisition of an equal number of T-90MS MBTs, all of which would be imported in kit form from Russian tank manufacturer Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) for assembly by the HVF.

https://www.janes.com/article/92481...ct-to-licence-build-464-additional-t-90s-mbts

 

[Atcjurvin]

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T 90 S/SK variant Bhishma as per IHS Janes.





T 90 MS tanks are to be bought using knock down kits under a separate deal.



https://www.janes.com/article/92481...ct-to-licence-build-464-additional-t-90s-mbts

Seems like we paid royalty to them since 90% of the tank is already indigeneous.

 

[Bleh]

Seems like we paid royalty to them since 90% of the tank is already indigeneous.

No... Read the articles in older posts. All of the parts of its new engine & transmission are to be imported from Russia.
It also has a lot of new stuff that our T-90s do not have, overall design is quite different too (like between Tejas Mark1A & MWF). 85% of Indian version of the T-90S Bhisma was built in India, not this one.

Unless we're adding T-90MS tech to our existing T-90 platform, like the Iraqi T-90s......or inked another whole new ToT deal, the indigeneous content is logically guaranteed go down drastically.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Tejas Mk-1A Unit price tumbles from $64.5 million to $58.1 million to now to $43.6 million Published December 17, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: TUSHKAR SHIRODKAR / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG. From HAL’s initial quote of Rs 463 crore ( $64.5), the Price for final contract price has now fallen to Rs 310 crore ( $43.6 ). In September media reports had hinted that 417 crores ($58.1) per unit cost in fly-away condition minus its weapons system was agreed upon but as per the latest report by Business Standard, price agreed is Rs 310 crore ( $43.6 ) which is good 32% cheaper then what was quoted by HAL before price negotiation committee was formed. In comparison to its competitor in the segment, AESA equipped Tejas Mk-1A is still cheaper than Gripen C which costs $63.4 million per unit without AESA Fire control Radar which is only offered on its Gripen E Model which has per unit cost of $85 million. The current deal includes 73 Single Seater Tejas Mk-1A and 10 Tejas Mk1 Trainer. IAF already has placed orders for 8 Tejas Mk1 Trainers in first order for 40 jets which will be manufactured along with 10 more Trainer ordered by IAF first before Tejas Mk1A delivery starts in 2023. A deal for 83 Tejas Mk1A is likely to be concluded for 26,000 crores will also include 3 simulator costs and additional infrastructure cost which was required to set up an additional production line which also includes investment cost of research and development of upgraded Tejas Mk1A fighter aircraft. According to HAL, if a deal is signed by early 2020 then deliveries of first Tejas Mk1A aircraft to the Indian Air Force will start from 2023 onwards and first and first Mk1A configured aircraft will make its first flight in 2022

@south block
My nibba itna bada ghotala bc :biggrin2:
Agar reliance ya Cheetos seller Esa kuch krte to tu to yah p gand khaa jata kr deta but HAL ka yeh Chuna lagne p kya kaho g:bounce::biggrin2::biggrin2:
63 million s direct 43 p. Wah HAL WAH.

 

[vampyrbladez]

No... Read the articles in older posts. All of the parts of its new engine & transmission are to be imported from Russia.
It also has a lot of new stuff that our T-90s do not have, overall design is quite different too (like between Tejas Mark1A & MWF). 85% of Indian version of the T-90S Bhisma was built in India, not this one.

Unless we're adding T-90MS tech to our existing T-90 platform, like the Iraqi T-90s......or inked another whole new ToT deal, the indigeneous content is logically guaranteed go down drastically.

Does it have Relikt ERA instead of Kontakt 5 ERA?

 

[Bleh]

Does it have Relikt ERA instead of Kontakt 5 ERA?

It could, some "sources" claim it will. But whether that is actually information or they just googled its features, is unclear.

Relikt's pattern is for the T-90MS with bulged up turret to increase gun-depression, side ERAs too designed for its bustled turret. Unless these T-90s tanks have that turret (that we don't currently build in India) they may not have Relikt all over the front like T-90MS, but just replace the Kontakt-5 with Relikt, keeping the ERA pattern of T-90S.
The latest iteration called "Proryv 3" is radically different.

I believe our Breakdown-90's upgraded ERA may look more like how these T-72B3 got upgraded...

...but given those retards were trying to buy AK-103 until Rusky daddy suggested Ak-203, do not expect too much.
Maybe they'll just replace some tech like fire-control, engine, gun, ERA etc. with new version from MS & not change a thing else!

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Does it have Relikt ERA instead of Kontakt 5 ERA?

Neither, since the Russian have denied the TOT for Kontakt 5 even though we paid them full for TOT deal, of the last decade. The 464 newly ordered T-90S Bhisma is part of the 1000 T-90 deal signed in 2007, with full TOT. These tanks will be equipped with DRDO developed ERA MK2, which are being also used for Arjun mk1a mbt. They are supposed to perform similar or better than Kontact 5.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Neither, since the Russian have denied the TOT for Kontakt 5 even though we paid them full for TOT deal, of the last decade. The 464 newly ordered T-90S Bhisma is part of the 1000 T-90 deal signed in 2007, with full TOT. These tanks will be equipped with DRDO developed ERA MK2, which are being also used for Arjun mk1a mbt. They are supposed to perform similar or better than Kontact 5.

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T-90 Upgrade

The central part of the upgrade would be to equip the T-90S with an improved modular power pack (engine and transmission) with an output of between 1200 and 1500hp variable according to mission requirements. IRDE has developed a day/night thermal imaging sight, this will be non-panoramic but when mounted on the existing rotating copulas of the T-90S they cover a 360 degree arc not taking into account the LOS blind spots/obstructions. The older fire control computer will be replaced by the new Fire Control Computer made by TATA SED. A new TI fusion sight for the driver is also being looked at.

High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL) of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has developed Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) which has a higher explosive capacity than the earlier ERA; hence it has improved protection. The increased engine power will facilitate mounting of additional ERA to the sides of the turret and tank skirts. The Indian Army is also looking to equip the T-90S with Active Protection System (APS); the APS will have an early warning sensor like Laser Warning Receiver, Millimeter wave radar to deploy soft kill countermeasures like smoke grenades or hard-kill projectiles. Tata SED has tied up with SAAB to produce the LEDS 150 MK2 for the programme and showcased a T-90 model at the DefExpo-2016.

http://forceindia.net/feature-report/fitness-test/

 

[Bleh]

Neither, since the Russian have denied the TOT for Kontakt 5...

Source for this?

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http://forceindia.net/feature-report/fitness-test/

Lots of sources throwing in lots of contradictory information... No way to know what's true.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

"A top DRDO official, who did not wish to be named, told TOI, “Adaption of ERA Mk-II will significantly enhance the protection level of tanks. Thus, the Army wants advanced version for T-72 first and they will equip this system to their T- 90 and Arjun MK-II in the near future."
Source: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...tanks-of-indian-army/articleshow/56382223.cms

Source for this?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

A private company called VVDN has developed bluetooth based secured communication systems, for military communication in areas where there is zero network coverage. They have design and developed PCB, hardware and software everthing in India under the Make in India project. Their portfolio also includes ruggedized tablets and touchscreen based smartphone, entirely designed and developed in India, for army use. They are also trying to develop uncooled thermal cameras for the army.

 

[Armand2REP]

A private company called VVDN has developed bluetooth based secured communication systems, for military communication in areas where there is zero network coverage. They have design and developed PCB, hardware and software everthing in India under the Make in India project. Their portfolio also includes ruggedized tablets and touchscreen based smartphone, entirely designed and developed in India, for army use. They are also trying to develop uncooled thermal cameras for the army.

How far can you extend the range of Blue Tooth? The ones I use can't even go through a wall in the next room.

 

[Bleh]

"A top DRDO official, who did not wish to be named, told TOI, “Adaption of ERA Mk-II will significantly enhance the protection level of tanks. Thus, the Army wants advanced version for T-72 first and they will equip this system to their T- 90 and Arjun MK-II in the near future."
Source: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...tanks-of-indian-army/articleshow/56382223.cms

They may nor choose it over imported Relikt, especially if the latter is actually better.

As of now, not a single T-72 have been upgraded with the new ERA Mk2 that DRDO developed. No T-90 has got it either.

 

[Chinmoy]

How far can you extend the range of Blue Tooth? The ones I use can't even go through a wall in the next room.

Class 1 works upto 100mtrs.

With use of repeaters, the distance could be extended further.

 

[Armand2REP]

Class 1 works upto 100mtrs.

With use of repeaters, the distance could be extended further.

They are demonstrating on two phones held side by side. Even if they had a class 1, that range is useless for battlefield comms.

 

[Chinmoy]

They are demonstrating on two phones held side by side. Even if they had a class 1, that range is useless for battlefield comms.

If you go by this post, its only about simple communication in places which doesn't have mobile coverage.

A private company called VVDN has developed bluetooth based secured communication systems, for military communication in areas where there is zero network coverage. They have design and developed PCB, hardware and software everthing in India under the Make in India project. Their portfolio also includes ruggedized tablets and touchscreen based smartphone, entirely designed and developed in India, for army use. They are also trying to develop uncooled thermal cameras for the army.

Anyway in battlefield its all about secure radio communication rather then unsecure mobile communication.

 

[Armand2REP]

If you go by this post, its only about simple communication in places which doesn't have mobile coverage.

It still wouldn't do the job. When a platoon goes on patrol it is more than 100 metres from the nearest node. FELIN encrypted radio was critised because it could only communicate 1km to the next node.

 

[Chinmoy]

It still wouldn't do the job. When a platoon goes on patrol it is more than 100 metres from the nearest node. FELIN encrypted radio was critised because it could only communicate 1km to the next node.

You are taking things from one place to another.

Look at the video again. They are using SATCOM over bluetooth. They are not talking about standalone bluetooth connectivity among two devices.

 

[Armand2REP]

You are taking things from one place to another.

Look at the video again. They are using SATCOM over bluetooth. They are not talking about standalone bluetooth connectivity among two devices.

It doesn't matter what the node is, if the soldier can't go more than 100 meters away from it then he is tethered to it. Does every squad have SATCOM in their unit?

 

[rone]

It doesn't matter what the node is, if the soldier can't go more than 100 meters away from it then he is tethered to it. Does every squad have SATCOM in their unit?[/QUOT its intersquad communication like each small GRP have a mother node which have direct

it's inter squad communication networks every small group's like composition of 3 to 10 have this set up where one with stat com act as mother node it will be mesh network in to others thus using Bluetooth as communication protocol its will be suitable for small company size networked soldiers aporch, but other things they showcased pretty much common things the bit vault secure phone also nothing new