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AMCA is looking very similar to F-22 Raptor.
Proper rcs testing will technically result into a fighter that seems rather analogous to the F-22.

IMHO though, F-22 looks more like the models 3B-04, 3B-05 & 3B-06 rather than 3B-09.

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There was a video on delhi defence Review's youtube channel which had excerpts of actual Internal Weapon Bay testing for AMCA. The Channel got deleted and so is the video.

this is the link:
So the ground tests for internal weapons bay have already happened? Nice!
But Fcuk Youtube. Can we ask DDR to repost this on twitter again?

excerpts of actual Internal Weapon Bay testing for AMCA.
Do you remember if it had saw-tooth edges?
 

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No the edges were smooth as shown in this pic.


it looked exactly similar to J20 weapon bay.
This is internal bay of J 20:-


AMCA bay in video was only a prototype, so they might have skipped making saw-toothed edges. The protoype would have been meant to test the hydraulics only.
 

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An old news article.

Scientists develop stealth tech
Prithvijit Mitra | Mar 26, 2006, 10:51 IST

KOLKATA: India could soon be the third country in the world, after the US and France, to have a stealth bomber fighter aircraft in its armoury.

The Kolkata-based Indian Association for Cultivation of Science (IACS) has developed a technology to convert ordinary light combat aircraft into stealth jets that would go undetected on radar. The first stage of the experiment, which commenced in 1999, has been successfully concluded. The defence ministry has approved the technology and has given the go-ahead for "full-scale production" to begin. It is expected to start in about six months��� time.

According to IACS scientists associated with the project, the technology uses a special material to construct a shield on the plexi-glass canopies. It is the glass cover of the cockpit that usually betrays the presence of an aircraft as it reflects the laser beam that is emitted to catch them on the radar. The shield will cover the cockpit and deflect the laser beam on the shield in all directions.

"This will make sure the aircraft remains undetected on the radar. We are not sure if the same technology is used in France and the US. It has been developed in our own way and using our own techniques. If it works out well, this would be a big step for defence technology in India," said a scientist.

Defence officials said the advanced combat aircraft made in the US and France have a similar shield on the plexi-glass canopies. "This shield gives the canopies a golden tinge. This special layer scatters the laser beams
(I don't think he said laser beams:frusty:)
emitted from a radar site either on the ground or in the air (AWACS). We���ve been trying to develop this technology for some time. The shield developed by IACS will boost our indigenisation efforts,"
an official said.

During the exercises at Kalaikunda where US F-16s took part, IAF officials got a closer look at the gold-tinted canopies.They also got a chance to test the technique by using ground-based radar. Interestingly, the F-16s from Singapore did not have the shield as the technology has not been transferred.

The defence authorities were so impressed with the new technology that they decided to fast-track the process and start full-scale production of the canopy following a test at Jodhpur recently.

"They had the option of going for a pilot project initially but they chose to skip it," said an IACS official. Fighter jets like Jaguars, MiGs, Mirages and Sukhois will now be fitted with this special canopy to enhance their stealth capabilities.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/Scientists-develop-stealth-tech/articleshow/1464563.cms

 
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An old news article.

Scientists develop stealth tech
Prithvijit Mitra | Mar 26, 2006, 10:51 IST

KOLKATA: India could soon be the third country in the world, after the US and France, to have a stealth bomber fighter aircraft in its armoury.

The Kolkata-based Indian Association for Cultivation of Science (IACS) has developed a technology to convert ordinary light combat aircraft into stealth jets that would go undetected on radar. The first stage of the experiment, which commenced in 1999, has been successfully concluded. The defence ministry has approved the technology and has given the go-ahead for "full-scale production" to begin. It is expected to start in about six months��� time.

According to IACS scientists associated with the project, the technology uses a special material to construct a shield on the plexi-glass canopies. It is the glass cover of the cockpit that usually betrays the presence of an aircraft as it reflects the laser beam that is emitted to catch them on the radar. The shield will cover the cockpit and deflect the laser beam on the shield in all directions.

"This will make sure the aircraft remains undetected on the radar. We are not sure if the same technology is used in France and the US. It has been developed in our own way and using our own techniques. If it works out well, this would be a big step for defence technology in India," said a scientist.

Defence officials said the advanced combat aircraft made in the US and France have a similar shield on the plexi-glass canopies. "This shield gives the canopies a golden tinge. This special layer scatters the laser beams
(I don't think he said laser beams:frusty:)
emitted from a radar site either on the ground or in the air (AWACS). We���ve been trying to develop this technology for some time. The shield developed by IACS will boost our indigenisation efforts,"
an official said.

During the exercises at Kalaikunda where US F-16s took part, IAF officials got a closer look at the gold-tinted canopies.They also got a chance to test the technique by using ground-based radar. Interestingly, the F-16s from Singapore did not have the shield as the technology has not been transferred.

The defence authorities were so impressed with the new technology that they decided to fast-track the process and start full-scale production of the canopy following a test at Jodhpur recently.

"They had the option of going for a pilot project initially but they chose to skip it," said an IACS official. Fighter jets like Jaguars, MiGs, Mirages and Sukhois will now be fitted with this special canopy to enhance their stealth capabilities.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/Scientists-develop-stealth-tech/articleshow/1464563.cms

Another old article from 2017.This news article was Retweeted by DRDO Twitter handle:
http://abpnews.abplive.in/india-new...y-fmar80-593410/amp?__twitter_impression=true

It says that DRDO has developed Radar absorbing Material called FMAR80 using Nickel Zinc Fertile and ACYRLO NITRILE BUTADINE.
 

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The first two AMCA tech demonstrators are not likely to have many 5G features. They will basically demonstrate the new avionics suite and stealth shaping. Plus India's ability to configure a twin-engine jet.

Good slow and steady wins the race
 

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Integrating avionics, sensor suite, internal weapons bay, twin engines (with serpentine intakes) is the more difficult part. Ram coating can be done later.
RAM coating can be done with all the above, with the patented RAM.

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The first two AMCA tech demonstrators are not likely to have many 5G features. They will basically demonstrate the new avionics suite and stealth shaping. Plus India's ability to configure a twin-engine jet.

With less 5g features, with that what he means, in terms of electronics or flight performance, I am sure they ain't gonna fly the aircraft without the FBO.

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An old news article.

Scientists develop stealth tech
Prithvijit Mitra | Mar 26, 2006, 10:51 IST

KOLKATA: India could soon be the third country in the world, after the US and France, to have a stealth bomber fighter aircraft in its armoury.

The Kolkata-based Indian Association for Cultivation of Science (IACS) has developed a technology to convert ordinary light combat aircraft into stealth jets that would go undetected on radar. The first stage of the experiment, which commenced in 1999, has been successfully concluded. The defence ministry has approved the technology and has given the go-ahead for "full-scale production" to begin. It is expected to start in about six months��� time.

According to IACS scientists associated with the project, the technology uses a special material to construct a shield on the plexi-glass canopies. It is the glass cover of the cockpit that usually betrays the presence of an aircraft as it reflects the laser beam that is emitted to catch them on the radar. The shield will cover the cockpit and deflect the laser beam on the shield in all directions.

"This will make sure the aircraft remains undetected on the radar. We are not sure if the same technology is used in France and the US. It has been developed in our own way and using our own techniques. If it works out well, this would be a big step for defence technology in India," said a scientist.

Defence officials said the advanced combat aircraft made in the US and France have a similar shield on the plexi-glass canopies. "This shield gives the canopies a golden tinge. This special layer scatters the laser beams
(I don't think he said laser beams:frusty:)
emitted from a radar site either on the ground or in the air (AWACS). We���ve been trying to develop this technology for some time. The shield developed by IACS will boost our indigenisation efforts,"
an official said.

During the exercises at Kalaikunda where US F-16s took part, IAF officials got a closer look at the gold-tinted canopies.They also got a chance to test the technique by using ground-based radar. Interestingly, the F-16s from Singapore did not have the shield as the technology has not been transferred.

The defence authorities were so impressed with the new technology that they decided to fast-track the process and start full-scale production of the canopy following a test at Jodhpur recently.

"They had the option of going for a pilot project initially but they chose to skip it," said an IACS official. Fighter jets like Jaguars, MiGs, Mirages and Sukhois will now be fitted with this special canopy to enhance their stealth capabilities.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/Scientists-develop-stealth-tech/articleshow/1464563.cms

If i remember correctly, this stealth coating for the canopy was one of the reasons the Rafale deal collapsed. The French were unwilling to share this tech, and wanted HAL assembled Rafales to be taken to France for this coating. Apparently we wanted this tech very much. So this news does confuse me a lot. If we already had the tech, why would we push for it in a ToT agreement? Unless our coating was still not mass-producible.

Looks like DRDO has managed to make a wide-band absorber based on this tech. The limitation of these kind of absorbers, apparently, was that they were not effective across multiple frequencies.

This metamaterial-based absorber is meant for LIDAR stealth. Not sure if it will be used in AMCA, or if it is even required in AMCA. Does China have any LIDAR anti-stealth devices in the works? If so, then they might think of applying it in AMCA. But I am not sure if this tech is mature enough yet, although the paper is from 2012.
 

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I had seen a paper on this last year.
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Found the paper:-
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^^This one seems to be inferior to the JA RAM in the previous post (#3015). (Inferior in terms of absorption capacity and primarily bandwidth). But its tunable, to protect against particular frequencies, so it might have some use in the intakes IMHO. Not sure which one of the two is more robust and less maintenance intensive, although the paper does suggest this is more robust than JA since it is embedded in a polymer. But then again, the paper also states that these kinds of RAM are difficult to produce.
 
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Found the paper:-

^^This one seems to be inferior to the JA RAM in the previous post (#3015). (Inferior in terms of absorption capacity and primarily bandwidth). But its tunable, to protect against particular frequencies, so it might have some use in the intakes IMHO. Not sure which one of the two is more robust and less maintenance intensive, although the paper does suggest this is more robust than JA since it is embedded in a polymer. But then again, the paper also states that these kinds of RAM are difficult to produce.
Dang that's a lot of useful information thanks may need it in the future
 

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Why this DRDO idiots put all this research which is done by tax payers money on internet.
Every one can see it including pakis and the copycat chinese.
 

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Why this DRDO idiots put all this research which is done by tax payers money on internet.
Every one can see it including pakis and the copycat chinese.
Look at the reference number 13 in the research paper in post number #3015. The Chinese do it too.

Its not possible to conduct research in isolation. You have to give back something to the academia. DRDO did not reveal the exact process by which they created their RAM. They just shared the findings, the results and rationale of the experiment. In some cases, even this might be withheld. But only in some cases.

If everyone stops publishing their research, you will not be able to update yourself with the current technology. And you will not be able to conduct research either. These papers that represent the results of someone's research provide a starting point for someone else's research.

Even the research papers of the CNT-infused skin of F-35, that is touted as the biggest breakthrough of the F-35 program, have been published. No one has been able to copy what they did. Its like you telling someone what a machine does and how it does what it does, but not telling them the process of making the machine, or the materials its made up from.
 

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