AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[shuvo@y2k10]

Is 3B09 the same model displayed at AI 2017?

 

[Steven Rogers]

This could be for full scale model which will go intense RCS testing.

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[Trololo]

Anyone has any info about why the 3B-04 model (The one with the F18 like chines) was rejected? It looked superb IMO.

 

[Steven Rogers]

Anyone has any info about why the 3B-04 model (The one with the F18 like chines) was rejected? It looked superb IMO.

3B-09 is the best design which balances stealth and kinetic performance.

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[darshan978]

TAI TFX disign looks like our AMCA 01

 

[Rahul Singh]

TAI TFX disign looks like our AMCA 01

In fact, every other 5th generation fighter concept and design-- optimised more for air-to-air than air-to-ground-- out there looks close cousins of F-22.

AMCA has see design evolution. From vertical tail-less MCA circa 2002 to 3B08 now. Which clearly suggests that once Ghatak was approved the emphasis shifted to towards more air-to-air than air-to-ground.

 

[kamaal]

Somebody post picture of 3B-01 to 09. I havn't saw a single design yet.

 

[Narasimh]

Somebody post picture of 3B-01 to 09. I havn't saw a single design yet.

Check the Post #2703 by Kunal. It has the designs

 

[sjmaverick]

Guys i understand that idrw is not a reliable source of information but there seems to be a news regarding issuing of Request of expression to manufacture 2 TD, since the deadline to submit proposal is 15th March it arouse lot of doubts around this news ....Can anyone have a reliable news on this ?

 

[soikot banerjee]

All said versions in one pic a.k.a EVOLUTION!

 

[Steven Rogers]

Go to ADA website and download the pdf, it's not idrw source.

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[soikot banerjee]

Go to ADA website and download the pdf, it's not idrw source.

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IDRW writers are way too incompetent to quote the actual source, their ass can be dragged in court for infringement issues!

 

[Adioz]

Go to ADA website and download the pdf, it's not idrw source.

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Like the new name : NGTD
So AMCA timeline should look something like:

• Vendor Selection by: June-2018. (Assumed)
• NGTD-1 rolls out: Dec-2022
• Flight tests commence: Jan-2023
• NGTD-2 rolls out" June-2023
• Flight test ends by: December-2024.
• Prototype Vehicles phase starts (4 PVs planned): January-2025
• LSP-1 rolls out: January-2027 (Assumed)
• IOC: January-2029 (Assumed)
• SP-1 rolls out: January-2030 (Assumed)
• AMCA fries Pork: 2040. (Amused)

^This timeline sound reasonable guys?

 

[sjmaverick]

Like the new name : NGTD
So AMCA timeline should look something like:

• Vendor Selection by: June-2018. (Assumed)
• NGTD-1 rolls out: Dec-2022
• Flight tests commence: Jan-2023
• NGTD-2 rolls out" June-2023
• Flight test ends by: December-2024.
• Prototype Vehicles phase starts (4 PVs planned): January-2025
• LSP-1 rolls out: January-2027 (Assumed)
• IOC: January-2029 (Assumed)
• SP-1 rolls out: January-2030 (Assumed)
• AMCA fries Pork: 2040. (Amused)

^This timeline sound reasonable guys?

Thanks mate ...

India has various world records on its name which include complex science and technology projects as well..deep down my wishful thinking want to assume India can surprise the world on time lapse between TD to Reasonable rate of production per year as well by beating its preset timeline for once ....Keeping various assumptions unchanged viz Govt Support, IAF support, Threat perception from Enemy etc with a much more matured aviation industry in place as compared to what was available to Tejas....But i guess thats why these thoughts are called wishful thinking...Not sure what is better for this project being looped through HAL or without it.

 

[Adioz]

Thanks mate ...

India has various world records on its name which include complex science and technology projects as well..deep down my wishful thinking want to assume India can surprise the world on time lapse between TD to Reasonable rate of production per year as well by beating its preset timeline for once ....Keeping various assumptions unchanged viz Govt Support, IAF support, Threat perception from Enemy etc with a much more matured aviation industry in place as compared to what was available to Tejas....But i guess thats why these thoughts are called wishful thinking...Not sure what is better for this project being looped through HAL or without it.

I still hope that production begins earlier. We need a 5th gen fighter earlier than 2030. I hope at least Su-57 MKI sees light of day earlier. But if my timeline is reasonable, then it fits well with my previous forecast regarding the Air Force fleet:-

I still think HAL as lead integrator and other vendors supplying major sub-assemblies is the best way to go. No other vendor has the experience required.

Edit: BTW, is it true that AMCA will be using Fly-by-optics?

 

[darshan978]

Check the Post #2703 by Kunal. It has the designs

even wikipedia has all info related to amca

 

[Steven Rogers]

I still hope that production begins earlier. We need a 5th gen fighter earlier than 2030. I hope at least Su-57 MKI sees light of day earlier. But if my timeline is reasonable, then it fits well with my previous forecast regarding the Air Force fleet:-

I still think HAL as lead integrator and other vendors supplying major sub-assemblies is the best way to go. No other vendor has the experience required.

Edit: BTW, is it true that AMCA will be using Fly-by-optics?

Yes acc to ADA brochures.

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[tharun]

AMCA total length is 17.20 meters which is longer than F-35 and equal to Chinese J-31 and shorter than SU-57 & J-20

 

[Pulkit]

I still hope that production begins earlier. We need a 5th gen fighter earlier than 2030. I hope at least Su-57 MKI sees light of day earlier. But if my timeline is reasonable, then it fits well with my previous forecast regarding the Air Force fleet:-

I still think HAL as lead integrator and other vendors supplying major sub-assemblies is the best way to go. No other vendor has the experience required.

Edit: BTW, is it true that AMCA will be using Fly-by-optics?

Few Constraints on the timeline shared by you:
1)I do not see any further or additional order for Rafale as I am quite sure if we will go for them we wont have enough funds to support Su-57 or AMCA.
2)The production rate and the number production lines do not fit as I am quite sure that the numbers wont rise till Tejas MK2 and as your are expecting it by 2028 I do not see Manufacturing those numbers will be even possible.
3)You have not accounted for the losses in accidents etc.
4)I will also push AMCA beyond 2030 as if we get Su-57 by 2027 again crunch of funds will puch AMCA beyond 2030 might be 2035.
5)Tejas Mk1A production by 2022 will be great but i am expecting it by 2025 .

What happens with this is meeting 42 squadron strength by 2040 adding 5 more years to your timeline.
+ delay due to foreign vendor etc will be another 5 years.

Sadly we will only be getting the required strength by 2045 ;(

 

[nongaddarliberal]

All said versions in one pic a.k.a EVOLUTION!

Why dont they incorporate a flat exhaust like the f22 instead of the circular one?