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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

It''s not possible


i have heard that Indian Hindu bengalis dont like Muslim Bengalis, other wise india could have annexed bengladesh:cool2::cool2:

BTW bangladesh is still indian state with proxy govt:p:p

@ Ray sir can give more input:p:p
no hindu like muslims.
 

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In 1971 India lost a golden opportunity to sever the Sino-Pak communications by land and threaten the Karakoram highway.
Biggest Blunder but then nobody had the foresight of this severing this lifeline :)
 

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Our politicians always seem to lose out on the negotiating table what the Fauj wins for them on ground.

1.1947-48, when our army was on the verge of a decisive victory in Kashmir, Mr Nehru went to the UN.

2 1965, Mr LB Shastri vowed not to return Haji -Pir in any negotiation with the Pakis, but precisely did the opposite& also gave Pt 13620 which dominated Kargil town besides giving away Haji Pir at Tashkent.

3. 1971, Mr Bhutto on a weak wicket in pakistan, negotiated the release of 93,000 POW's without giving much in return.

It is evident that our politicians cannot read maps. Strategy, Military gains & Sacrifice by soldiers are foreign words, also they will never( to cover their fragile fannies & keep their jobs), seek the advice of military men lest they not only seem but are proven to be naive in matters military
 
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Jaisalmer: The picture paints the devastation. The burnt pieces of tanks and weapons strewn around remind one of the great defence put up by Indian forces against 2000-odd Pakistani soldiers who dreamt of "breakfast at Longewala, lunch at Ramgarh and dinner at Jodhpur'' that day on December 4, 1971.

What followed is history as the famous battle of Longewala unfolded between Pakistani forces and Indian defenders at the border post of Longewala (now called Indo-Pak pillar 638), in the Thar Desert. Taken aback by a sudden Indian Air Force attack, even as the Indian Army defended its posts, the Pakistani tanks and infantry men were scarcely left with space even to retreat.

This scene is alive even today. An area of 2 sq km on both sides of the road lies strewn with anti-tank mines and has been fenced. No one, not even the BSF and Army jawans, are allowed to go there. Each year the Vijay Diwas -- marking India's victory over Pakistan in 1971 - brings in a stream of jawans who come to pay their respects to the martyrs.

"BSF jawans and officers have been directed to remain on their tracks. They cannot go anywhere else. The area is strewn with mines. It is only after the Longewala battle, that in 1992-93, the BSF border posts were shifted nearer to the international border. Earlier these border posts were 20-25km behind the international border," says BSF Jaisalmer sector south DIG Bhanwar Singh Rajpurohit who was the company commander at this place in 1999.

But the burnt pieces of tanks are not the only relics of the war. The story goes that the Pakistani forces during their retreat had poisoned a well of Gamnewala village here. Even today no one drinks from it

"People of Longewala used to drink water from this well. But during the 1971 war, the Pak army poisoned the well and even now no one drinks from it despite the government having cleaned it up. Villagers still doubt the water to be poisonous and avoid drinking from it. Now a new water point has been made," said Heer Singh of Gamnewala village, an eye witness of the 1971 war.

On December 4, 1971, Lt. Dharam Veer's platoon, while conducting a patrol, detected noises across the border that suggested a large number of armored vehicles approaching. The Pakistani forces began their attack at 12:30 am. As the offensive approached the lone outpost, Pakistani artillery opened up with medium artillery guns, killing five of the ten camels from the 14 battalion BSF detachment.

As the column of 45 tanks neared the post, Indian defences, lacking the time to prepare minefield, laid a hasty anti-tank minefield, one infantryman being killed in the process. The Indian infantry held fire until the leading Pakistani tanks had approached 15-30 metres. They then accounted for the first two tanks on the track with their jeep-mounted 106 mm M40 recoilless rifle, with one of its crew being killed during the combat.

Although massively outnumbering the Indian defenders, and having surrounded them, the Pakistani troops were unable to advance over an open terrain on a full moon night. As dawn arrived, the Pakistan forces had still not taken the post, and were now having to do so in full daylight.

"In the morning the Indian Air Force was finally able to direct some HF-24 Maruts and Hawker Hunter aircraft to assist the post. They were not outfitted with night vision equipment, and so were delayed from conducting combat missions until dawn. With daylight, however, the IAF was able to operate effectively, with the strike aircraft being guided to the targets by airborne Forward Air Controller (FAC) Major Atma Singh in a HAL Krishak," says Air Marshal M S Bawa (retd).

The Indian aircraft attacked the Pakistani ground troops with 16 Matra T-10 rockets and 30 mm cannon fire on each aircraft. Without support from the Pakistan Air Force, which was busy elsewhere, the tanks and other armoured vehicles were easy targets for the IAF's Hunters.

By noon the next day, the assault ended completely, having cost Pakistan 22 tanks, claimed destroyed by aircraft fire, 12 by ground anti-tank fire, and some captured after being abandoned, with a total of 100 vehicles claimed to have been destroyed or damaged in the desert around the post

Years later, Longewala reminds the do-or-die battle - The Times of India
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

Partition was never what the majority of masses wanted be it mainland India, North West India(Pakistan) or East Bengal even Sri Lanka, Burma,Nepal were connected to mainland India . The British were doing all formulas on the Indian nations by keeping the international politics in mind and this was started from the 1830's.

Indian National congress main goal was to liberate whole India and unite all the Indian nations under one banner but division started in the name of religion which let to the rise of religious based leaders who were in real having no control over the masses but the Britisher gave them the stand to grow and these parties got the funds from the British both Muslim league and hardliner and moderate Hindu groups . and the result was in the division of country into many pieces . East and West Pakistan (Muslims), Sri Lanka, Burma and Bhutan (Buddhist), Nepal and India (Hindu) .
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

Thanks, but NO! The rebellion against Pakistan would simply be redirected against India had we annexed East Bengal.

Leaving them independent & respecting their territorial integrity has given our reputation the sort of credibility that no amount of annexed Bengali land could have given.

And those who worry about the Chicken's neck, Chillax. Bhutan and Nepal are not about to turn hostile any time soon. Their lands will give our Army the depth we need in case of a conflict in the NorthEast.

It's not the chicken's neck itself, but the overall lack of infrastructure in the North East that is hurting us. It's not like the road & rail network is excellent in the 7 sister states and hampered only by the siliguri corridor.
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

Thanks, but NO! The rebellion against Pakistan would simply be redirected against India had we annexed East Bengal.

Leaving them independent & respecting their territorial integrity has given our reputation the sort of credibility that no amount of annexed Bengali land could have given.

And those who worry about the Chicken's neck, Chillax. Bhutan and Nepal are not about to turn hostile any time soon. Their lands will give our Army the depth we need in case of a conflict in the NorthEast.

It's not the chicken's neck itself, but the overall lack of infrastructure in the North East that is hurting us. It's not like the road & rail network is excellent in the 7 sister states and hampered only by the siliguri corridor.

What is needed here is this that all the Sub continent countries work together without any reunification and this is a harsh reality that if any thing goes wrong in any of the neighboring country then the refugee problem would be always on India . And we are being taking all of them in be it east bengal , Sri Lanka , Afghanistan, Tibet and even the Burmese rohingya.
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

What is needed here is this that all the Sub continent countries work together without any reunification and this is a harsh reality that if any thing goes wrong in any of the neighboring country then the refugee problem would be always on India . And we are being taking all of them in be it east bengal , Sri Lanka , Afghanistan, Tibet and even the Burmese rohingya.
True. A lot has changed in the previous century with respect to warfare. It's no longer a World of Might is Right or Finder's Keepers.

We must simply accept our modern boundaries and work towards removing internal threats first. Good cooperation with friendly neighbours and a watchful eye on hostile neighbours is also necessary.
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

True. A lot has changed in the previous century with respect to warfare. It's no longer a World of Might is Right or Finder's Keepers.
Yes things have changed in sub continent after the nukes , If not then we would be still being setting bullied .

We must simply accept our modern boundaries and work towards removing internal threats first. Good cooperation with friendly neighbours and a watchful eye on hostile neighbours is also necessary.
Neighboring countries should give up the jealousy attitude and start to work in co operation without giving the chance for outsiders and keep things within the region and this can change things on ground and improve trade .
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

Why buy more trouble? We have our hands full with WB and N-E states as it is.....
Dear, what is the problem you find in WB ?
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

No , People are intellectual and smart, Nobel Prizes and all, but the CPI-M has strong roots , most of them Support China, plus Bangladeshi Migrations are causing lot of problems.............
Dear, what is the problem you find in WB ?
 

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No , People are intellectual and smart, Nobel Prizes and all, but the CPI-M has strong roots , most of them Support China, plus Bangladeshi Migrations are causing lot of problems.............
Then how is CPM is thrown out in a massive vote against it ?? For WB India comes first then anything else... China or no China... No one supports China in WB excepts few Rascals and those very few are exceptions.... I have never seen anyone supporting China in WB... please get your facts right...

This very WB gave S.P. Mukherjee and likes of N. Chatterji deos it mean WB is pro RSS ???

Let me quote what my late father used to tell me when I was a kid... "There is no Cummunist in India rather they are rank oppertunist"
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

No , People are intellectual and smart, Nobel Prizes and all, but the CPI-M has strong roots , most of them Support China, plus Bangladeshi Migrations are causing lot of problems.............
No one supports Chinese but there is no doubt that Chinese and some other powers are exploiting the situation in West Bengal, Orissa from where the Maoists are getting weapons . Yes Bangladeshi immigration is a problem but in this bengali citizens of India should not be called as illegal Bangladeshi.
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

I've said in other threads on many occasions here & elsewhere that we did a mistake by not annexing regions like Chittagong and also areas around our chickens neck to get a bit more depth. For the rest of it, no its good we didn't annex the entire state. But a blunder not to have gotten Chittagong. It would have given us access to north east by sea.
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

I've said in other threads on many occasions here & elsewhere that we did a mistake by not annexing regions like Chittagong and also areas around our chickens neck to get a bit more depth. For the rest of it, no its good we didn't annex the entire state. But a blunder not to have gotten Chittagong. It would have given us access to north east by sea.
Annexing Chittagong or even East Bengal for the whole would be seen as rising against the new world war and the way Shiekh Mujeeb ur Rahman was assassinated things started to changed that assassination was set back and he was assassinated shortly after the Pokhran I

chickens neck ?
 

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Re: Should India have annexed East Bengal in 1971 instead of liberatin

Annexing Chittagong or even East Bengal for the whole would be seen as rising against the new world war and the way Shiekh Mujeeb ur Rahman was assassinated things started to changed that assassination was set back and he was assassinated shortly after the Pokhran I

chickens neck ?
 

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