No, all along I have maintained that: Aussies are sissies
when it comes to PRC. Show me one instance when I chose to understate the relevant context, i.e. Chinese context.
Maybe, we are generalizing or stereotyping a bit too much. But, the fact remains that irrespective of who is in power, the Aussie political & entrepreneur class is, more or less, united in kowtowing to PRC on most occasions. Cannot say the same about everyday Aussie citizenry, though.
Evidence shared in this thread so far, corroborate the same.
All you've done is pasted a quote from an Australian businessman, who was doing business in China. I've quoted OP MALABAR, which you were alluding to, but not quoting, as supporting your assertions.
Now, how can you ignore that it is an Aussie minister, who "rejected the possibility of reactivating the quadrilateral" ?
How can you you claim that Australia, went back on it's word?
You, cryptically (i.e. you didn't want to mention it directly as it would show you are lying) mentioned OP MALABAR;
You know what, when one backs out from his word- his stated position, he looses respect. Especially in diplomatic circles, when the "word" happens to be between official & formal allies.
Aus. in recent years backed-off from its "word", only to develop such a reputation.
You were correct to put the word "word" in quotation marks. Australia never gave it's word it was going to do the last OP MALABAR. How you then jump to Australia is sissies in regards to Chicom's is beyond me.
As I was saying; doubling the submarine fleet, acquiring new fighters, gaining an ampihibious capability, allowing US Marines a base in Australia.
But, we don't conduct an exercise with the Indian Navy and you "know" it's because we're sissies. Did you notice who Carr specifically mentioned?
Australian Foreign Minister Senator Bob Carr however rejected the possibility of reactivating the quadrilateral in a media interaction on 21 January 2012 after the eighth round of Framework Dialogue between India and Australia. Responding to a question by an Australian journalist during the Conference, Carr called the proposal hypothetical, he said, "I met my counterpart the Japanese Foreign Minister, Minister Kishida, in Sydney the weekend before last, and he did not raise this idea. When it comes to the trilateral involving Japan, India and Australia, it remains hypothetical. We would welcome separate discussions with Japan. But there is no formal proposal for a trilateral on issues we discussed today. So, that remains a hypothetical possibility. The quadrilateral it is probably fair to say is even more ambitious than that. Again, it is clearly hypothetical".
Neither I, nor more particularly you (your knowledge of Australia is quite shocking) know why neither Australia, nor Japan was interested in having exercises with your navy.
RAN is too busy, would be the first choice (us "sissies" are fighting wars, and have multiple deployments, you know).
Second choice would be RAN would have been keen to exercise with someone operating outdated, Cold War Warsaw Pact equipment, i.e. the Indian Navy, as that level of technology would be very similiar to our most serious naval threat, the Chinese Navy. Particularly, operating with your Kilo class sub, could have been useful. But, now that we've done that, the exercise isn't so important. Or, perhaps RAN was dissatified witht he last exercise.
As per the Bob Carr quote, I found it interesting he mentioned Japan. To actually post something relevant on this thread, there has been some talk, in Australia, about co-operating with Japan to develop the Collins class replacement. Or, even to buy/ license build their Soryu class subs. Imagine if Japan had been interested in having exercises with you, we would want to be a part.
Personally, I hope the exercise was cancelled due to cost. RAN's new ampihibious ships are costing a lot of money, not to mention the future subs. RAN's taking too much of the defence budget, and perhaps this EX got binned, as RAN was trying to be friends with the Army and RAAF.
Anyway, I don't know and True Spirit has absolutely no idea.
Khurshid. Thanks for bringing up. Let me update you a little bit about him. He is a traitor who embezzles funds meant for physically-challenged (handicapped) folks.
Problems with your elected officials is non of our concern. We deal with who we have to. Your comments are completely irrelevant.
Deference towards a autocratic Commie dictatorship like China is not taken kindly in our country. This is when China is our largest trading partner with mutual trade standing around $70 billion USD.
While kowtowing before PRC is not considered unusual among Aussie politicians (& entrepreneurs class, as well).
And, therein, lies all the difference.
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