Turkish Drones Idle After Israeli Staff Leaves

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Why doesn't Russia just develop its own UAVs?? It's not a very difficult area to pursue, especially not for a country with a very advanced aerospace industry like Russia.

During the 2008 war against Georgia, Russia had to use Tu-22 bombers for recon, which I found ridiculous.
If developing MALE UAVs is so easy, why is India having such a difficult time with it? Why does China not have an operational platform? Even Europe is having delays. The only two countries dominating the market are USA and Israel who have been making them for the last 20+ years.
 
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Yes, you are right Oracle, my mistake. They are a potential candidate but not a member yet.
 

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If developing MALE UAVs is so easy, why is India having such a difficult time with it? Why does China not have an operational platform? Even Europe is having delays. The only two countries dominating the market are USA and Israel who have been making them for the last 20+ years.
I am not talking about MALE UAVs, just simple tactical UAVs. We have had our indigenous DRDO Nishant UAV since 1995, and even Pakistan has SATUMA Jasoos.

Why doesn't Russia have an indigenous UAV? If they had used them in 2008 they could have saved one of their Tu-22s from being shot down.
 

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I am not talking about MALE UAVs, just simple tactical UAVs. We have had our indigenous DRDO Nishant UAV since 1995, and even Pakistan has SATUMA Jasoos.

Why doesn't Russia have an indigenous UAV? If they had used them in 2008 they could have saved one of their Tu-22s from being shot down.
Russia has tactical UAVs, it used Tipchak in Georgia. They are also making micro-UAVs. What it doesn't have are MALEs with the endurance and altitude for effective recon.
 

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Russia has tactical UAVs, it used Tipchak in Georgia. They are also making micro-UAVs. What it doesn't have are MALEs with the endurance and altitude for effective recon.
Thanks for the information, I had never heard of Tipchak UAV.

btw is India developing a MALE UAV indigenously atm?
 

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Rustom is India's attempt to develop a MALE UAV. Unfortunately its first flight ended in crash completely destroying prototype and that first flight remained last till now. So there no case of multiple crash landing or whatever...
 
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Group of Turkish military officers here to learn how to use Heron UAV.


Israel has not instituted a ban on military sales to Turkey, but will carefully evaluate the participation of Israeli defense industries in tenders there due to the growing rift between the countries, defense officials said on Wednesday.

The officials said that while Israel was not currently vying for a specific tender in Turkey, defense industries were welcome to participate after receiving approval from the Defense Ministry."We cannot ignore what is happening in Turkey and the radicalization process that is being led by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan," one defense official said.

Meanwhile Wednesday, a group of Turkish military officers arrived in Israel for two weeks, during which they will learn how to use the Heron unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) supplied to Turkey as part of a $180 million deal signed in 2004.

Last week, Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Elbit Systems Ltd. recalled teams of engineers and flight instructors who were teaching the Turkish military how to use the aircraft, amid growing concerns that they could be targeted in retaliation for the botched navy raid on the international aid flotilla two weeks ago.

The Turkish delegation's visit had been uncertain up until they arrived on Tuesday, officials said, due to the growing tension between the countries.

During the raid, navy commandos boarded the Turkish passenger ship Mavi Marmara and in the ensuing clashes killed nine passengers, whom the IDF identified as mercenaries hired to ambush the soldiers. Israel suspects that the Turkish government was involved in financing the mercenaries.

According to officials, the delegation was in Israel to pick up four remaining drones that had yet to be supplied to Turkey and to learn how to operate them.

Elbit and IAI have told the Turks that they plan to redeploy their instructional teams in Turkey once the situation stabilizes in the coming weeks


http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=179362
 

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Despite Raid, Mostly Business as Usual for Israel and Turkey
TEL AVIV — Since the deadly Israeli raid on the Gaza flotilla, Turkey has recalled its ambassador from Jerusalem and banned Israeli military planes from the country's airspace, while its prime minister has called the Jewish state "a lying machine." Israel, for its part, has warned its citizens not to travel to Turkey.

But in most other respects, it is still business as usual between the longtime allies.

A military and government delegation from Turkey is in Israel right now, its officers and soldiers rumbling through the sands of the Negev learning how to operate the same pilotless aircraft often used by Israel to hunt Palestinian militants in Gaza. They are there, said an Israeli official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the deal, because the Israeli instructors who were training them in Turkey were called home after the flotilla raid.

Still, the $190 million deal for the drones has not been canceled. Nor have most of the civilian business dealings, from textiles to irrigation systems, that accounted for almost $3 billion in trade last year, business analysts said. "Everything is according to schedule," the Israeli official said. "There are no changes. It's business as usual."

"There are good business contacts," said Soli Ozel, a professor of international relations at Istanbul Biligi University. "The business community would like to see that continue."

The investment and trade that continue beneath the surface are reminders of the deep and interconnected ties that Turkey and Israel have forged over the years as regional misfits — Israel as the Jewish state and Turkey as a Muslim country that straddles Europe and Asia. When the investments are years in the making, as most of the weapons deals are, and with Turkey relying on Israeli technical support, the ties are not so easily broken.

Hard figures are difficult to come by when it comes to defense contracts, but Lale Sariibrahimoglu, the Turkey correspondent for Jane's Defense Weekly, says that Turkish military sources said that military trade between the countries totaled around $1.8 billion in 2007. Israel, she says, was second only to the United States as a source of military technology for Turkey.

Turkey maintains that full reconciliation with Israel is possible only if Israel apologizes for the raid on the Turkish ship, provides compensation for the wounded and the families of those killed and agrees to an independent international inquiry.

So far, Israel has resisted the idea of an independent investigation, but the Israeli government has tried its best to tone down the crisis and patch up relations. This week, for example, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sent Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, a cabinet member who has cultivated close ties with the Turks, to a secret meeting with the Turkish foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu.

"It is not in the interest of Israel, or even Turkey, that this relationship continue to deteriorate," Mr. Netanyahu said in an interview with Channel 1, the state television station, on Friday. "Israel cannot apologize because its soldiers had to defend themselves to avoid being lynched by a crowd." He added, "We regret the loss of life."

Israel has a free trade agreement with Turkey that no one has spoken of rupturing, and shortly before the flotilla raid Turkey helped ensure Israel's inclusion in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

But problems are starting to crop up. Turkish officials are concerned that the Israelis will cancel a $141 million contract to enhance the intelligence gathering abilities of Turkey's warplanes for fear that the new systems might be used against Israel, Ms. Sariibrahimoglu said.

"I am sure we are much more sensitive about sharing sensitive material with them out of fear it will get to the Iranians," said Efraim Inbar, an expert in Turkish-Israeli relations and director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University.

Israel's ties with Turkey had begun to fray well before the flotilla raid, starting with the election in 2003 of an Islamist prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who began to tilt Turkey toward new relations with two of Israel's most serious foes, Iran and Syria. Relations with Israel took an especially icy turn in early 2008, when Mr. Erdogan lashed out at Israel over its killing of civilians in its offensive on Gaza.

Israel's growing wariness of Turkey goes back several years, as evidenced by its decision not to sell the Turks its Ofek spy satellite, Israeli officials said, again speaking on condition of anonymity. On the civilian side the main fallout from the damaged diplomatic ties is easily visible on Turkey's beaches, once a favorite vacation destination of Israelis who this year canceled en masse.

Menashe Carmon, the chairman of the Israel Turkey Business Council, said that although long-time cooperation between Israeli and Turkish businesses had not stopped, partnerships and investment ventures that were in their initial stages had slowed. "They have decided to wait and see what will happen politically," he said, referring mostly to Israeli companies.

His office in a building overlooking the harbor in Jaffa features the Turkish and Israeli flags — a rare sight in Israel. He says he remains hopeful that better times lie ahead. He is busy at work planning a trip for Turkish businesspeople in Israel.

"The Turkish are regular visitors to Israel. This will be nothing new," he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/world/middleeast/03israel.html?_r=1&ref=world
 

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i don't understand i thing.if invention of uav platforms was so difficult how can even engineering undergraduates student of various indian universities could make them.
 

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Turkey urges Israel to fix bilateral ties after flotilla raid

ANKARA, July 9 (Xinhua) -- Turkey on Friday insisted on conditions set for Israel to fix the two countries' fractured relations after Israel's deadly raid on an international aid flotilla sparked diplomatic rows between the two former allies.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Turkey's expectations for Israel to mend the bilateral ties were clear and that there was no change on Turkey's position.

"Our expectations are very rightful demands. Both Israel and our other interlocutors know these demands in detail," Davutoglu was quoted by the semi-official Anatolia news agency as telling an inauguration ceremony of the honorary consulate of Bosnia- Herzegovina in central Turkish province of Konya.

Turkish-Israeli ties took a heavy blow in the wake of Israel's deadly raid on the Turkish Mavi Marmara (Blue Marmara) aid ship, which led the Gaza-bound flotilla, on May 31.

Eight Turkish pro-Palestinian activists and one American of Turkish origin were killed when Israeli commandos stormed the ship as part of an operation to stop the ship heading for the Israeli- blockaded Gaza Strip.

Once being Israel's closest Muslim ally, Turkey recalled its ambassador to Israel in response to the raid. It has also cancelled joint military operations with Israel and prohibited Israeli military flights from using Turkish airspace.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan put forward four conditions for reconciliation with Israel: an apology from Israel, compensation for families of the nine victims in Israeli forces' raid, international inquiry into the incident and lifting of the Israeli embargo on Gaza.

However, Israel has clearly ruled out the possibility of apologizing for the raid and initiated an internal commission to investigate the incident rather than an international one.

In an attempt to defuse the tensions, Israeli Minister of Trade, Industry and Labor Benjamin Ben-Eliezer met with Davutoglu last week in Belgium to discuss the strained relations.

In a statement on Sunday, Davutoglu made Turkey's conditions more flexible, saying his country expected Israel to apologize or approve an international investigation.

Davutoglu made the call before the meeting between U.S. President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Washington on Tuesday, which Turkey hoped would put pressure on Netanyahu to address the crisis.

The United States wants Israel and Turkey, whose earlier friendship had benefited U.S. policy in the Middle East, to patch up the fried ties.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Monday that his country has no intention to apologize to Turkey.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-07/10/c_13392677.htm
 

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