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It’s the reverse...Because i voted Modi as i have no-choice .... he is also turned as coward.
Yatha Raja Tatha Praja
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Sooner you realise it, the better!!!
It’s the reverse...Because i voted Modi as i have no-choice .... he is also turned as coward.
Yatha Raja Tatha Praja
Put Indian boots on the ground with what end goal?Afghans&even US requested it many times.
Still i didn't understand Why/How GOI leave the golden opportunity of our Boots(IA) on Afghan soil. With IA in eastern,northern &western border of pak it is nightmarish situation for our real enemy (porki army) everyday.
No strategy, no pro-active approach nothing always 'chalta hai' attitude even in high levels.... Dumb Indians.
India is using Afghanistan as a cheap source of proxy warfare. Indian aid to Afghanistan ia measly and only worth few hundred million dollars a year. We can afford that much to trouble Pakistan. But if we have to spend much more Resources and lose lot of people, it will not be worth the price. Afghanistan is good as long as it is cheap. Increasing cost will make it unattractive
India wont get a seat at the table by simply nodding and agreeing to the terms put forth by a big power either. That position will have to be taken by resisting their designs for this region. Their designs are very antithetical to India. They want to prevent the rise of another pole in a multipolar world. They missed the boat with China, they won't do that mistake with India. The US is not your friend. They're here to entangle you to prevent your rise.1. India running proxy war.
It means India's presence in AF is of strategic nature. Which further strengthen my understanding of military intervention. The proxy war is countered by Proxy war which Pakistan is reciprocating in Afghanistan. The military presence will be countered by the military presence depending on the military objective. The military presence will increase the cost on Pakistan and will stretch them further.
2. Measly cost.
Measly cost yields measly results. It doesn't increase our stake or help our interests which we think we are privileged to. LOL. It doesn't give a seat on the table.
3. Quantifying trouble to Pakistan.
There is an overall agreement within all of us that we all want to trouble Pakistan. In case of AF as per your assessment, low-cost investment is good enough to trouble Pakistan. You gotta quantify what kind of trouble you are talking about and tell us if it is working or not.
4. Loss of resources and loss of people.
This is quite a pessimist approach. We can not be then whining about when we lose diplomatically and don't get a seat on the table.
Firstly, we can't have major equipment and weapons in afghan afgh as even the soldiers of Afghanistan army are jihadis. There is no guarantee for Indiana assets in any base if local administration itself is hostile. Afghanistan is hostile to India in terms of values. It will tolerate India as long as India supplies aid and keeps is soldiers out. If Indian soldiers start coming in, there is bound to be a reaction.1. India running proxy war.
It means India's presence in AF is of strategic nature. Which further strengthen my understanding of military intervention. The proxy war is countered by Proxy war which Pakistan is reciprocating in Afghanistan. The military presence will be countered by the military presence depending on the military objective. The military presence will increase the cost on Pakistan and will stretch them further.
2. Measly cost.
Measly cost yields measly results. It doesn't increase our stake or help our interests which we think we are privileged to. LOL. It doesn't give a seat on the table.
3. Quantifying trouble to Pakistan.
There is an overall agreement within all of us that we all want to trouble Pakistan. In case of AF as per your assessment, low-cost investment is good enough to trouble Pakistan. You gotta quantify what kind of trouble you are talking about and tell us if it is working or not.
4. Loss of resources and loss of people.
This is quite a pessimist approach. We can not be then whining about when we lose diplomatically and don't get a seat on the table.
Even in IOR, USA is destabilizing. USA is trying to twist the oil trade in its favour and force down petrodollar on everyone. Chinese presence is minimal in IOR with no significant bases. However, USA is a major threat with its bases all over Arab region and even in Diego Garcia. It is actually more reasonable to pally with China and take out NATO presence in IOR. That will get rid of USA stranglehold and free up the world trade from the dollar domination.India can team up with the US in the Indian ocean against Chinese navy.
Your assumptions are utopian.India wont get a seat at the table by simply nodding and agreeing to the terms put forth by a big power either. That position will have to be taken by resisting their advances.
India + Russia + Iran + China can have a common-minimum program for Afghanistan without the US in it. India can team up with the US in the Indian ocean against Chinese navy. Working with the US on both, land and in sea will make us a junior partner to the US in our own backyard. Ya'll punks ain't seeing that. Pally up with China in Afghanistan to keep the US out. Even Russia wants this because the CIA is using it as a staging area to train Central Asian mercenaries and fan them towards Russia's underbelly and Pakistan is using the common infrastructure to train Kashmiri mercenaries. Take American destabilizing influence out of Afghanistan and use American Navy to balance China in IOR. This will keep both the powers away from our perimeter. Expand the scope of Malbar Naval exercises and shut down any offer to collaborate with the US on the land.
Firstly, we can't have major equipment and weapons in afghan afgh as even the soldiers of Afghanistan army are jihadis. There is no guarantee for Indiana assets in any base if local administration itself is hostile. Afghanistan is hostile to India in terms of values. It will tolerate India as long as India supplies aid and keeps is soldiers out. If Indian soldiers start coming in, there is bound to be a reaction.
Proxy war in Pakistan is low cist option and the damage is also low. It is just to keep the pot boiling and the people of Pakistan unhappy about its government. We can't spend too much Resources on that as the goal is not really big enough to necessitate it.
The trouble we can cause to Pakistan can never be big unless we go direct. Proxy wars are only good enough to cause mental and social irritation but can never ause big damage.
So, Afghanistan is not really something that is worth investing heavily. If it is possible to get low cost option, take it. Else, leave it. There is no need to go big on Afghanistan.
Even in IOR, USA is destabilizing. USA is trying to twist the oil trade in its favour and force down petrodollar on everyone. Chinese presence is minimal in IOR with no significant bases. However, USA is a major threat with its bases all over Arab region and even in Diego Garcia. It is actually more reasonable to pally with China and take out NATO presence in IOR. That will get rid of USA stranglehold and free up the world trade from the dollar domination.
One must be realistic, not optimistic. One must not jump from a building saying that one has optimism that God will make him superman to protect him!You are stuck with pessimism which is best suited for entertainment blogs, not defence forums.
Keep harping about would be losses and assuming hostility in Afghanistan, you people deserve Pakistan.
I am done with this pessimism.
Stay in your homes, don't cross oceans, do some yoga and hate your enemies on the internet.
What will be the nature of this intervention?Military intervention in Afghanistan is plausible because it is Pakistan specific
Nobody is going to DRAG this nation into an issue without a proper plan at a proper time because YOU and a few like you voted for Modi.(as if you had many choices .. )Because i voted Modi as i have no-choice .... he is also turned as coward.
Yatha Raja Tatha Praja
Large scale Deployment in Afghanistan is a problem for India, India cannot bare the costs that too when many players are there in Afghanistan with multiple motives of their own.What will be the nature of this intervention?
Posting 2-3 strike corps in Afghanistan on permanent deployment? and perpetually dealing with the problem of resupplying them through air, from mainland India in a logistics denial environment (they'll face terror attacks but that's a manageable level of attrition). End goal being? will that deployment in itself change overall Pakistani force deployment to our advantage? they are already sending low cost terrorists to our side, that wont stop just because we drew their attention to their western border. They can stay put within their country, they don't need to move their troops, just turn their face from right to left whenever the situation demands attention. They can beg the US to raise 2 low cost (area-denial) defensive corps to take care of our strike corps. And we'll never put our QRSAMs and other high-tech stuff on the Afghanistan side because there's no logistics to store them, service them, rearm them, repair these high tech missile systems on the Afghan side. Are we going to set up a DRDO housing mission for the Indian engineers who will service these equipment? It can be done easily on our side. It's very costly on foreign soil.
Is the end game to actually USE those strike corps to thrust from Afghanistan side into Pakistan? we could do much better if we have those resources on our side of the border and use them in a strike corps + pivot core pair and have full land access to resupply them from the mainland as they move in.
If we really HAVE to deploy on a foreign soil to discomfort Pak-China combine, we'll get disproportionate results if we deploy in Vietnam, instead of Afghanistan. Start putting ELINT, Brahmos, QRSAMs and other hardware there. Draw China's resources to face us there, so that they have lesser resources left to resupply Pakistan. China can't send insurgents to swim across to hit our infra in Vietnam, like Pakistan can do low-cost bombings in Afghanistan. The end result is the same, but Vietnam deployment is cheaper. Keep China focused into Vietnam and send the strike corps into Pakistan directly from Rajasthan somewhere in the middle of this decade. No extended Afghanistan deployment needed.
For now, let the red necks bleed for their acts. They came uninvited, they gave weapons to Pakistan, their WOT and the weapons and diplomatic cover they provided Pakistani deep state caused 40k of our soldiers and civilians to die in the decade following 9/11. They haven't been made to pay any cost for it. Let em boil for 5 more years. Let American civilians become wary of body bags coming from this region, so that when India goes in to finish Pakistan, Americans must have lost all domestic appetite to intervene, like it happened during the Vietnam war. Tire them out till then, grow your own strength silently. Why invest in an expeditionary campaign in Afghanistan when P-75 is still pending due to lack of funds? Anti-China mountain strike corps project is also pending.
The US will send aid to Pakistan, and ISI will kill American soldiers and the US will make a fool of themselves. Both these events are favorable to us. If we deploy there, we'll make a fool of ourselves. The US never wanted Indian influence to stretch so far out beyond our current boundaries and touch Central Asia anyway. This is a lollypop to get our soldiers to become cannon fodder so that American vital installments remain safe.
ONLY REASON why INDIA is RESPECTED by the AFGHAN Civilians and establishment is because..Large scale Deployment in Afghanistan is a problem for India, India cannot bare the costs that too when many players are there in Afghanistan with multiple motives of their own.
How ever, FATF, UN intervention, combined action plan by deploying military consultants who can help Afghan army is a good option as of now.
India should have minimum presence there to check mate Pakistan.
USA will do what ever it takes to protect the Pakistani establishment, they do not keep them comfortable though.ONLY REASON why INDIA is RESPECTED by the AFGHAN Civilians and establishment is because..
India has MANAGED Afghanistan without putting its soldiers on the ground...which a HOST of nations failed to do.
That is India's strength.
If India puts its soldiers there without proper proper INTEL SUPPORT network and rely on UMRICANS network...Pretty sure we will hear about attack on our soldiers by paki based Talibs on a daily basis...
they will use our presence in Afghan soil to strangle us further and alienate us from the good will we created in Afghan.
Take down pakistan and its the solution to all the SOUTH ASIA problems
Correct, sirji.Large scale Deployment in Afghanistan is a problem for India, India cannot bare the costs that too when many players are there in Afghanistan with multiple motives of their own.
How ever, FATF, UN intervention, combined action plan by deploying military consultants who can help Afghan army is a good option as of now.
India should have minimum presence there to check mate Pakistan.
lol as i mentioned even High level Indian govt filled with cowards&dumb people and how u think i give two hoots to low life scums ??
We have all accepted that that's how our @Chatrapathi packages his opinion. We don't get angry at his choice of words now.
Dragging everyone to your level of low life that is
It doesn't matter under whose flag we fight as long as India benefits from it. It's not the same as fighting for the benefit of the British empire.So-called intellectuals don't understand one thing
IF IA fought under UN flag we defacto becomes UN soldiers (aka western imperialism slaves) not INDIAN SOLDIERS
Millions of Indian Army men fought in WW1,WW2 and many wars across world and WON MOST OF THEM ....RIGHT WORDS ''Millions of Indian Slaves fought wars under British flag and won for British Royal''.
No self esteem, no strategy,no proactive only,no-long term thinking, seeking profit in everything like pakis call us Hindu baniya.