Trump Uses the K-word, Includes Bajwa in Talks with Imran

[hit&run]

Russia, Pakistan military agree to hold joint drills

Here goes the common minimum program. LOL

The utopian alliances to counter one camp against other, cry a river over 'Bad Amrika' 'Bad Roos' is the highlight of discourse amongst India Inteligencia.

 

[Chimpoo]

Pakistan technically has collapsed long ago in 1971. The current one is a successor crisis state ruled by military and unified by propaganda machine. With worsening situation of people, rise of exclusive sentiments and growing gap between India & Pakistan, it's not gonna stay for long.
Eventually it will either collapse or defang no matter what.

The 50th anniversary of 1971 is coming up in 2 years.

Wonder if India be doing anything to commemorate it or will Indians go along with the west and politely ignore it.

 

[hit&run]

Russia is cosying up with Pakistan.

^ Just yesterday I wrote this.

 

[Haldiram]

Russia, Pakistan military agree to hold joint drills

Here goes the common minimum program. LOL

The utopian alliances to counter one camp against other, cry a river over 'Bad Amrika' 'Bad Roos' is the highlight of discourse amongst India Inteligencia.

India holds drills with Pakistan's ally China just like Russia holds drills with Pakistan. The scope of both of these side-projects is very limited. Russia has been having drills and selling weapons to Pakistan for a few years now. India does not feel insecure about it. India also buys weapons from the US and signed LSA because it is beneficial to us against Chinese Navy, but no joint-mission with the US on ground. It's not anti-US or pro-Russia anymore. We don't make policies based on broad country-specific alliances like we did during the Soviet era. We cherry-pick specific areas which benefit us and disagree on the rest. We work with the US against China in the IOR, we also work with China against the US in WTO. We also worked with Russia on the Northern-Alliance when we needed.

 

[hit&run]

India holds drills with Pakistan's ally China just like Russia holds drills with Pakistan. The scope of both of these side-projects is very limited. Russia has been having drills and selling weapons to Pakistan for a few years now. India does not feel insecure about it. India also buys weapons from the US and signed LSA because it is beneficial to us against Chinese Navy, but no joint-mission with the US on ground. It's not anti-US or pro-Russia anymore. We don't make policies based on broad country-specific alliances like we did during the Soviet era. We cherry-pick specific areas which benefit us and disagree on the rest. We work with the US against China in the IOR, we also work with China against the US in WTO. We also worked with Russia on the Northern-Alliance when we needed.

Trump making a comment is the failure of Indian diplomacy and a great sin, crossing red line. Russia doing military exercise is hunky-dory.

 

[sorcerer]

Russia is cosying up with Pakistan.

^ Just yesterday I wrote this.

Under the SCO banner India and pakistan did a joint drill!

well!! let the events run its course..the moments tell another story altogether!

 

[Haldiram]

Trump making a comment is the failure of Indian diplomacy and a great sin, crossing red line. Russia doing military exercise is hunky-dory.

The statement is just a cherry on the top, there is a whole big cake under it which you are missing. Russia does joint drills for their own military diplomacy. They don't give billions of dollars and high tech weaponry to Pakistan and cause hundreds of our soldiers to be killed by it, the way the US does.

The US is a bigger country with a bigger footprint, it has caused us big troubles. It provides not just weapons to Pakistan but gives diplomatic cover for their terrorism against India. Indians on social media talking shizz about them doesn't even measure up to the scale of deaths American assistance to Pakistan has caused on our side (with full knowledge that it will be used against India).

 

[Srinivas_K]

So-called intellectuals don't understand one thing

IF IA fought under UN flag we defacto becomes UN soldiers (aka western imperialism slaves) not INDIAN SOLDIERS

Millions of Indian Army men fought in WW1,WW2 and many wars across world and WON MOST OF THEM ....RIGHT WORDS ''Millions of Indian Slaves fought wars under British flag and won for British Royal''.

No self esteem, no strategy,no proactive,no-long term planing, seeking profit in everything like pakis call us Hindu baniya...Cheap people cheap thinking.

The last paragraph I think you are talking about Pakistan.

Pakistan is not a moral enemy , when too many factors are against you in Afghanistan it is better you go there in a legitimate way not the US suggested way. Once you put soldiers there afghans themselves will turn against India, UN is the right way.

 

[Immortal]

Which interests did Jaishankar compromise? Do you know that Jaishankar was also China's ambassador? So, why do you think he will have bias only towards USA without appropriate balanced mind? Why does someone compromise in one's interests just because he was an ambassador to USA?


India also has its own agenda. Do you see India taking USA line in these matters? The only reason why India is buying USA arms is due to pressure of trade surplus. India has not aligned with USA in any manner and has shown no intention of doing that without a heavy price paid by USA.

Yes and that’s why he has been pushing a soft China policy as well. Remember Wuhan summit and what we got out of it after that. Completely agree that he is soft towards both USA and China. Dowal on the other hands wants a tough approach. That’s why those claims that there are disagreements between Jaishankar n Dowal. I feel it was good that Trump showed his true colours and will hopefully put a reality check on those who wanted India to go headlong into a strategic alliance with USA.
USA is a master of transactional alliances. That’s why it has a history of hobnobbing with military dictators every where. India should be careful.
And most importantly it should look inwards towards its economy which has started underperforming. Remember Foreign policy strength comes from Economic strength.

 

[Immortal]

One Crucial Person Who was Missing from
Yesterday' meetings with Bajwa and Imran
Is BOLTON the NSA

He is the Guy driving Trump And his Iran and Other Conflicts

Even Bajwa is meeting the Defency Secy and other Uniformed Officials

Where as Doval is in direct Contact with Bolton

So no chance of Arms Aid.

This because Pakistan after firing the last NSA, has not appointed any new NSA. That may be a reason why Bolton not there as he doesn’t have. Counterpart.

 

[Immortal]

Infact the Delegation level Talks were also Nothing BUT LUNCH

Nothing formal or substantive issue discussed

Is it true that Trump s meeting with Imran ran for only around 4 minutes. Anybody can confirm?

 

[Vijyes]

Yes and that’s why he has been pushing a soft China policy as well. Remember Wuhan summit and what we got out of it after that. Completely agree that he is soft towards both USA and China. Dowal on the other hands wants a tough approach. That’s why those claims that there are disagreements between Jaishankar n Dowal. I feel it was good that Trump showed his true colours and will hopefully put a reality check on those who wanted India to go headlong into a strategic alliance with USA.
USA is a master of transactional alliances. That’s why it has a history of hobnobbing with military dictators every where. India should be careful.
And most importantly it should look inwards towards its economy which has started underperforming. Remember Foreign policy strength comes from Economic strength.

I don't think Jaishankar has soft corner to USA. Jaishankar appears to be quite pragmatic in his approach. Jaishankar has soft corner to China and so does RSS. China has actually been helping India in many ways. In no way has China caused any physical problem to India unreasonably. China has helped not just India but entire world get an alternative to USA and actually has shown very little imperial attitude of cultural subversion like sending missionaries as in case of USA. It is necessary to take Chinese help to overthrow USA as no other country has the amount of Technology, population and Resources to counter USA other than China

 

[hit&run]

Is it true that Trump s meeting with Imran ran for only around 4 minutes. Anybody can confirm?

His visit was a damp squib, unfortunately, Indians thinks it was groundbreaking.

 

[Deathstar]

I don't think Jaishankar has soft corner to USA. Jaishankar appears to be quite pragmatic in his approach. Jaishankar has soft corner to China and so does RSS. China has actually been helping India in many ways. In no way has China caused any physical problem to India unreasonably. China has helped not just India but entire world get an alternative to USA and actually has shown very little imperial attitude of cultural subversion like sending missionaries as in case of USA. It is necessary to take Chinese help to overthrow USA as no other country has the amount of Technology, population and Resources to counter USA other than China

Also Chinese treatment of muslims in Uighur and subsequent silence and support by Ummah proved that might is right
So if India achieves the current chinese level , no one will dare talk about Kashmir. This is the biggest favour China has done to us
If Ummah is silent on China ,it has no right to question India

 

[ezsasa]

Also Chinese treatment of muslims in Uighur and subsequent silence and support by Ummah proved that might is right
So if India achieves the current chinese level , no one will dare talk about Kashmir. This is the biggest favour China has done to us
If Ummah is silent on China ,it has no right to question India

Ummah is silent in China because of Chinese diplomacy, we never used diplomacy in such a way.

 

[Vijyes]

Also Chinese treatment of muslims in Uighur and subsequent silence and support by Ummah proved that might is right
So if India achieves the current chinese level , no one will dare talk about Kashmir. This is the biggest favour China has done to us
If Ummah is silent on China ,it has no right to question India

China is giving more than it takes. That is why China is being respected. Similarly, if India gives more than it takes, others will have to keep quiet.

As of now, Ummah is giving free oil and has started to respect India in return for tolerance to muslims. This is the price India is getting. China on the other hand, doesn't need to tolerate muslims as it already gives so much of manufactured goods which simply overwhelms the amount of oil it gets from Arabs.

 

[Indrajit]

Trump making a comment is the failure of Indian diplomacy and a great sin, crossing red line. Russia doing military exercise is hunky-dory.

Good point. The Russians have these engagements with Pakistan for only one reason, to warn India and make us squirm. Many here are saying the Americans are transactional, the Russians have them beat. Putin is very clear headed that countries don’t have friends, only interests. Our “friendship” is dependent on India forking out large amounts of money and buying Russian stuff, otherwise there will be more than military exercises with Pakistan.

The sad truth is that India’s foreign policy consists of paying large amounts of money as bribes in the name of military purchases to its strategic partners in a bid to keep them on our side. The Americans have seen and understood that, Trump is ruthless and wants a piece of that pie. He sees a large trade surplus for India in trade and he’s making it clear that India will have to give the Americans something in return.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

China has actually been helping India in many ways.

Indeed, like helping to sustain Pakistan & arm it, seizing territory, espionage, cyber attacks, far left terrorists, diplomatic roadblocks and what not.

In no way has China caused any physical problem to India unreasonably.

China has one genuine reason, an equally big country in neighbour is a threat.
China is biggest enemy of India and creates problems for India wherever it gets chance.

China is giving more than it takes. That is why China is being respected. Similarly, if India gives more than it takes, others will have to keep quiet.

Chinese don't give anything to jihadis except a long solid and hard metal rod right in their @$$holes.
Respect? China doesn't even have an iota of it in international community. China we see today isn't the great old eastern civilization, it's a communist rough state like USSR.

 

[Indrajit]

Do not whine about a thousand years of slavery when you can praise about the thousands of years of glory that were and shall be again. An old lithographic print of a young Emperor Bharata.

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Glory cannot be based on a fictionalised story of young Bharata counting the teeth of the lion, we have plenty of non fiction available. Bharata may have leant his name to this land and spawned an extraordinary dynasty but nothing was ever known of the king himself.

 

[ssg_slayer]

Another angle is perhaps Trump wants India to do more in Afghan, that is potentially the only way forward.

This is not possible unless until India shares border with Af this is why POK was so strategic to us cut by Pakistanis. I hope it doesn't become another Sri Lanka for us.