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Every American President thinks he will solve Palestine and Kashmir and win a Nobel prize. They think of themselves as some sort of demi-gods.

India should issue a statement "India will buy a plot in Washington and build a temple to Hitler if the WW2 Allies agree". :troll:
Israel's population is 9 million.
Palestine's population is 5 million.
Combined population is 14 million or 1.4 crore.

India's population is 1350 million.
Pakistan's population is 200 million.
Combined population 1550 million or 155 crores.

Not sure why Indian's like comparing themselves to Israel.
Yes, Israel has beaten their Muslim neighbours in three wars and we all,here, like to see Muzzies get spanked.
But I think it hugely diminishes the size and importance of India,which in the future may potentially challenge China and the US(and maybe the EU) for global supremacy,by comparing it to a tiny country like Israel.

Palestine is an insignificant issue. For decades,it has been a useful way tor the western media to distract and engage the energies of leftists in the west, many of whom traditionally have viewed Jews suspiciously . The leftist suspicion and dislike of the Jews comes from the old cultural influence of Christian anti-Semitism and the reality of Jewish financial power and the positions of power many Jews occupy in the western capitalist system.

Personally,I feel an Indian comparing India to Israel is just trolling himself.
 
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United States of Assholes are at it again.
Regardless if its fake or not I'll like to remind u what a nation full of shit eating maggots Murica really is.
These niggas stay some 12000 km away from a region that they are trying to mediate, no land border no sea border no whatever.
Is that true,though?

America has military bases in Afghanistan. The Wakhan corridor ,in Afghanistan, neighbours Pakistan occupied Kashmir, which,of course, India claims for its own.

So ,yeah, American special forces are almost certainly patrolling on India's "border" ,at this very moment.









In 2010 Richard Holbrooke, the US Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, caused some controversy in India by stating that "India doesn't have a common border with Afghanistan". In 2015 India's National Security Advisor Ajit Doval re-affirmed the Indian claim to an Afghan border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakhan_Corridor#Indian_claim
 

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There is also a statement of drumpf where he signals his intentions to nuke Afghanistan but didn't as he in his 'own words' is a 'peacemaker',he says a lot of bullshit ,you can be country like Canada who takes his bullshit lying down or be like pakis and lick his feet especially Taliban Khan in white house repeatedly saying America "the most powerful country" in the world which sound like villagers in King's courtyard & there were some people who were saying India needs to drop S400 deal ,they are in Taliban Khan category,Modi will double on Russia armaments especially the NUH deal and next chakra lease and will sign a airport and ports logistics agreement in Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok and the Tri service exercises in Russia ,Indra 2019
 

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In 2010 Richard Holbrooke, the US Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, caused some controversy in India by stating that "India doesn't have a common border with Afghanistan". In 2015 India's National Security Advisor Ajit Doval re-affirmed the Indian claim to an Afghan border.

But that's true we do not have any border with Afghanistan although we claim that region, which cuts us off from central Asia and that's where the Napakis win.
 

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Relax guys, Trump can't tell Imrand Khatun to F*ck Off openly in the press conference. He said very straight forwardly that He has spoken to Modi and even Modi wants peace, he immediately took Modi's name and told that ask Modi what he wants.
This is the case.

I think Indians are over reacting.

Trump wants Imran Khan to do some jobs. Imran Khan needed something to go back from USA. His cost cutting public flight and unattended receipt were absolutely disastrous in terms of PR.

He could not be sent empty handed. He was given a statement which was quickly denied by India. He goes home with Pakistani media trumpeting America’s statement.

Case closed. No fucks were given.

If India agreed for this, on a quid pro quid pro basis we will also have by something.
 

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So this means Imraand Khan's visit was successful due to Indian overreaction and blunder even after getting a bashing from Trump. It should have had not happened man!
Trump now becoming new Allah of Pakistan goes against everything they are invested. Now they will be doing more to make him happy and we all know what will be the end result of it.
 

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If you really want to know how's the mood in New Delhi, tune into Republic tonight with Arnab debate.

No just highlighting the conflict. Expect major terrorist attack in coming months. Paki would try to revive stone pelting and terrorism like there's no tomorrow. Good that we have Amit Shah as HM.
I have a different take on this.

1. First, India must develop immunity for anyone talking about the Kashmir issue.Investing too much diplomatic equity to making sure no one talks about Kashmir is the most moronic feature of Indian diplomacy

Kuch To Log Kaheyngey Logo Ka kaam hai kehna.

It does not mean that we will remain indifferent. For that, we must develop a discourse that uses clever responses.

The government must do a crackdown on librandoo media when they go berserk.

The other method will be to punish Pakistan harder when anyone raises this issue on behalf of Pakistan.

Pakistan has invested in a game where they manipulate opinion and use internalization of the Kashmir issue as a chip when India reacts aggressively. And then that so-called internationalization is used to create pressure within India against the political dispensation.

I have great hopes from new EAM think tank lead by Mr. JS that they have already de-coded this game and will invest heavily in trans border aggression and interference in Pakistan's fault lines.

So far I have not read a single comment that talks about this game but usual reactions.


2. Americans can not de-nuke Pakistan because it is an extension of the Chinese nuclear weapon program. India must sit in an ambush or USA for that matter and wait for a major crisis in China to deflate Porkistan's borrowed nuclear security once for all.

3. No one takes Pakistan seriously. They are spending millions to copy Modi. He was handpicked by the army to counter Modi's influence. People who are well aware of Jihadi mentality knows it. Jihadi thinks doing the same symbolism will yield results but it is more than that which works and Modi is quite advanced in that. Let them keep guessing and spend million which they could have used to build Toilets.
1. Exactly, for Pakistan Kashmir means survival, for India it's one of a myriad stones in the shoe. It's as they say, when performing critical surgery, it's best to anesthetize the area, desensitize it.

2. I thought MEA's response was good enough, probably planned that way

3. Well with ongoing CFVs (expected, happens every time their Head ****** in charge goes to US), we will knock Pukis further into gutter. Paki nukes are not an extension of the Chinki program but helped by it. China will be the first to run from it's unwashed abdul all weather friend, if you think Commie Chinese are sticking their neck out for anyone else other than themselves, then you think too highly of them. Specially for Paki ******s.

I think the break-up of Pukiland as we know it now is worse for us since last thing we need is to have various tribal regions of unwashed abduls with loose nukes running around. I think this has already been debated at high levels between PMO, NCA, NSA, Service chiefs etc. They would rather have Pak as a whole de-nuked with assurances that our strategic weapons deployed along the Western front would be dismantled and the LOC settled. I doubt we give two shits about POK.

The key is to get a poor, bankrupt Pukis to willingly give up their nukes in return for several billions in investments. Problem to this idea is PA and ISI.

Govt. crackdown on media? Dude fake news or real news, no crackdown on media will or can or should happen.
 

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Afghanistan Government has released a strong statement on President Trump's bizzare statement yesterday on wiping off Afghanistan from the face of Earth.




Afghans are also not happy...





Trump shooting his mouth has caused a fracture in India-US relations.

Not only has he sold Afghanistan down the drain, he has shafted India as well.

This is precisely why India never has, never will accept mediation...my take on Trump’s foot in mouth remarks


 

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India US relations is not about Trump.

Better to ignore the Pakistani circus in USA, more like a 14 year thug kid going to complain about India to one of his sugar daddy in USA.

There is a count down time that has already started for Pakistan, if they do not behave and take steps to improve the situation. It will be Bussiness as usual just like what happened in the last three months.

Americans know how to balance it, Trump is doing some optics to make sure Pakistani administration does what he says.

Wait for some time to see what exactly this is all about.

We have our own kid who is holidaying in USA who thinks he can corner a Lion in New Delhi.




Afghanistan Government has released a strong statement on President Trump's bizzare statement yesterday on wiping off Afghanistan from the face of Earth.




Afghans are also not happy...





Trump shooting his mouth has caused a fracture in India-US relations.

Not only has he sold Afghanistan down the drain, he has shafted India as well.

This is precisely why India never has, never will accept mediation...my take on Trump’s foot in mouth remarks


 

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But that's true we do not have any border with Afghanistan although we claim that region, which cuts us off from central Asia and that's where the Napakis win.
True. That is the de facto reality on the ground in Kashmir, together with Chinese control of part of Ladakh ie Aksai Chin and Shaksgam or Trans-Karakoram Tract.

Still, the official Indian government position , which has been consistently maintained, is that these are Indian territories,occupied by foreign powers..
 

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1. Exactly, for Pakistan Kashmir means survival, for India it's one of a myriad stones in the shoe. It's as they say, when performing critical surgery, it's best to anesthetize the area, desensitize it.

2. I thought MEA's response was good enough, probably planned that way

3. Well with ongoing CFVs (expected, happens every time their Head ****** in charge goes to US), we will knock Pukis further into gutter. Paki nukes are not an extension of the Chinki program but helped by it. China will be the first to run from it's unwashed abdul all weather friend, if you think Commie Chinese are sticking their neck out for anyone else other than themselves, then you think too highly of them. Specially for Paki ******s.

I think the break-up of Pukiland as we know it now is worse for us since last thing we need is to have various tribal regions of unwashed abduls with loose nukes running around. I think this has already been debated at high levels between PMO, NCA, NSA, Service chiefs etc. They would rather have Pak as a whole de-nuked with assurances that our strategic weapons deployed along the Western front would be dismantled and the LOC settled. I doubt we give two shits about POK.

The key is to get a poor, bankrupt Pukis to willingly give up their nukes in return for several billions in investments. Problem to this idea is PA and ISI.

Govt. crackdown on media? Dude fake news or real news, no crackdown on media will or can or should happen.
3.
Your understanding is not accurate on this nuclear quagmire.

Word "Help and Extention' are fungible. I don't know how you will make a distinction between both. Either they helped and didn't. If the Chinese helped Pakistan being a superior power it means they also control.

China wanted to create nuclear pockets on multiple places to create migraine for Nato and Russia. Only Pakistan was its successful operation. A nation who sends his own devices and men to detonate nuke for a Pakistani response to Pokhran-2 can tell anyone how hands-on Chinese are. The whole proliferation saga had Chinese backing but on getting caught Pakistan became a willing culprit for obvious reasons.

The excuse of Grandfathering by delivering next-gen nuclear plants even after NTP came into force is another undeniable proof.

6. By media crackdown, I mean changing the discourse on this particular issue.

Again adding De-nuking Pakistan into this mix is a fancy unplausible proposition. It will lead us to nowhere but muddle the waters of India's assertiveness vis a vis USA's eccentricities. De-Nuking Pakistan is USA's headache because it is a Chinese project.

India's salvation relies upon overwhelming conventional response and reciprocating terror with terror, cross border raids to dominate LOC and IB with its nuclear deterrence intact. Soon India lobes nukes at Pakistan the deterrence fails and then it becomes the play of numbers which all nuclear powers will love to get involved and Chinese will win with a walkover.

The 3rd option for India is to produce warfighting nuclear arsenal which goes beyond 3K nukes ready to go.
 

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India US relations is not about Trump.

Better to ignore the Pakistani circus in USA, more like a 14 year thug kid going to complain about India to one of his sugar daddy in USA.

There is a count down time that has already started for Pakistan, if they do not behave and take steps to improve the situation. It will be Bussiness as usual just like what happened in the last three months.

Americans know how to balance it, Trump is doing some optics to make sure Pakistani administration does what he says.

Wait for some time to see what exactly this is all about.

We have our own kid who is holidaying in USA who thinks he can corner a Lion in New Delhi.
Always make specimen out of a fool than fighting a clever and sane opponent.
 

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Trump is no fool & this is why he deliberately lied about Modi’s Kashmir request

India brought this upon itself. In the end, Modi may very well end up becoming a victim of his own successful marketing campaign.

With bated breath we await sunrise in Washington DC to see what President Donald Trump will do next. Will he double down on his claim that Prime Minister Narendra Modi asked him to mediate on Kashmir? Will he be enraged that the Ministry of External Affairs has tagged him and effectively said he lied, and then repeated it in Parliament today?
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Let’s be clear about two things: first, this will blow over until the next storm in a tea cup; and second, no country – except Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar – has found reliable ways to deal with Trump. Let us be equally clear that Modi has never asked Trump or any external interloper to interfere in bilateral matters. Modi is a stickler for rules and follows the brief his bureaucrats prepare for him to the T. Trump is no one’s fool, although the Democrats would like you to believe that. Assuming that Trump is a fool is the biggest mistake one can make, something the Democrats don’t seem to understand even after their rout in the 2016 US presidential election.


That said, there is no doubt Trump is lying (no, he didn’t misunderstand what Modi may or may not have told him; he is deliberately lying). The question is why? We should be worrying not about ‘what’ he said (as Indians are at the moment), but ‘why’ he said it. The ‘what’ is not important, the ‘why’ is critical. I have discussed the more macro reasons here, but what we need to do now is understand how this episode will play out.

Let us be clear, the Indian economy is in doldrums, and the standard Indian practice has been to play ostrich at home, and the perpetually-petulant-victim abroad. In effect, our failure at domestic policy leaves our diplomats with few choices – none of them viable. But what is inexcusable is that they have either failed to read the signs in advance or haven’t been heard at the top.

Since Barack Obama’s second term (2012-16), the signs of India fatigue have only been growing, be it on patents, or a host of other issues. Trump has simply distilled that fatigue and accelerated its effects. To start with, he refused to come to India for the Republic Day celebrations citing “scheduling constraints”. That he took a month to decline the invitation should make it clear that there were no prior commitments, just higher priorities.

He has travelled to Saudi Arabia and executed a remarkable about-turn of his Saudi hate. The Saudis had to sign an agreement for US$110 billion in immediate weapons purchases with a total of US$350 billion committed over 10 years. Trump then shifted his attack to Qatar, calling it “a funder of terrorism at a very high level”. The Qataris had to buy their way out, agreeing to spend billions of dollars within months, be it in weapons purchases or oil refining. The three incidents – turning down India’s invitation, travelling to Saudi Arabia, and training and then un-training his guns on Qatar – should have flashed warning signs to India.

Yet, what did India do? It had Ivanka Trump speak at a leadership conference. The fact that India thinks it can buy off a president with intangible platitudes says a lot about how badly our assessment has gone wrong. And yet, we still fail to learn the lessons. The initial 2+2 dialogue of defence and foreign ministers was ostensibly postponed, again due to prior commitments. It pretty much forced India to sign up for COMCASA and LEMOA in order to get the 2+2 going. But there again, these foundational agreements haven’t translated into any tangible gain for the US. This is why we had Trump tweet about tariffs once more (he initially raised India’s duties on Harley-Davidson in his 2017 State of the Union speech).


Meanwhile, Trump saw the highly hostile statements on Kashmir, clearly sanctioned from the very top, emanating from Moscow. Former Russian Ambassador to India, Vyacheslav Trubnikov, a confidante of Russia’s Afghanistan point person Zamir Kabulov, had said, “the solution to Afghanistan lies in Kashmir“. Far from any backlash, India proceeded to give Russia close to US$9 billion worth of arms deals for the S-400 and second Akula class submarine. Contrast this with Pakistan. Pakistan can offer Trump minor tangibles in Afghanistan, which have a disproportionate political effect back in the US (Pakistan understands this well). Pakistan has Trump in a monopsony situation by being the only supply route, with Russia and Iran having been alienated.

What was all this meant to signal to Trump? Tweet on tariffs, you won’t get anything; we’ll keep throwing sweet nothings your and Ivanka’s way. But attack us on core interests like Kashmir as Trubnikov did, actively undermine Indian interests as Kabulov had, and you would get US$9 billion. Trump clearly internalised this message. In the end, there is no conclusion other than that India has brought this upon itself. It should have read the warning signs, it didn’t. There should be no doubt that Trump has done this to extract a price. How steep that price will be, shall be determined by what Trump believes: the reality of the Indian economy or Modi’s hype. In the end, Modi may very well end up becoming a victim of his own successful marketing campaign.

The author is a senior fellow at the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies. He tweets @iyervval. Views are personal.

https://theprint.in/opinion/trump-i...tely-lied-about-modis-kashmir-request/266723/
 

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These definitely not off the cuff remarks by Trump. These were done to please Imran Khan and his generals to let America off the hook in Afghanistan. One thing is for sure that mandarins at the US State Department were not consulted. This episode has been direct creation of Trump and his National Security Advisor - John Bolton. Both have been running around in last one year to create one issue after other to give US a dominant role in world affairs. Syria, Iran and to some extent North Korea has a stamp of this unruly bunch at the Whitehouse.

Another possibility is that Trump is telling India not to buy Russian military hardware like S-400.

This direct poke in Indian eye is a sweetener to Pakistan. They are overjoyed, rather wish to get as much mileage out of it as possible. They may get restoration of military and economic aid to them. As usual, they may put 6,000 dead American in Afghanistan, directly at the behest and support of Pakistan in the background. They may even forget that Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar were their guests for ten years before they were killed with American action. Right now what Trump considers important is getting out of Afghanistan. That is why he is making all these friendly gestures to Pakistan.
 

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These definitely not off the cuff remarks by Trump. These were done to please Imran Khan and his generals to let America off the hook in Afghanistan. One thing is for sure that mandarins at the US State Department were not consulted. This episode has been direct creation of Trump and his National Security Advisor - John Bolton. Both have been running around in last one year to create one issue after other to give US a dominant role in world affairs. Syria, Iran and to some extent North Korea has a stamp of this unruly bunch at the Whitehouse.

Another possibility is that Trump is telling India not to buy Russian military hardware like S-400.

This direct poke in Indian eye is a sweetener to Pakistan. They are overjoyed, rather wish to get as much mileage out of it as possible. They may get restoration of military and economic aid to them. As usual, they may put 6,000 dead American in Afghanistan, directly at the behest and support of Pakistan in the background. They may even forget that Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar were their guests for ten years before they were killed with American action. Right now what Trump considers important is getting out of Afghanistan. That is why he is making all these friendly gestures to Pakistan.
Nope, it was well known that trump always says things to impress the person sitting infront of him. It could be Modi, Kim, Putin, Theresa may etc etc...

Donno why the defeatist attitude is so prevalent...
 

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Trump is no fool & this is why he deliberately lied about Modi’s Kashmir request

India brought this upon itself. In the end, Modi may very well end up becoming a victim of his own successful marketing campaign.

With bated breath we await sunrise in Washington DC to see what President Donald Trump will do next. Will he double down on his claim that Prime Minister Narendra Modi asked him to mediate on Kashmir? Will he be enraged that the Ministry of External Affairs has tagged him and effectively said he lied, and then repeated it in Parliament today?
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Let’s be clear about two things: first, this will blow over until the next storm in a tea cup; and second, no country – except Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar – has found reliable ways to deal with Trump. Let us be equally clear that Modi has never asked Trump or any external interloper to interfere in bilateral matters. Modi is a stickler for rules and follows the brief his bureaucrats prepare for him to the T. Trump is no one’s fool, although the Democrats would like you to believe that. Assuming that Trump is a fool is the biggest mistake one can make, something the Democrats don’t seem to understand even after their rout in the 2016 US presidential election.


That said, there is no doubt Trump is lying (no, he didn’t misunderstand what Modi may or may not have told him; he is deliberately lying). The question is why? We should be worrying not about ‘what’ he said (as Indians are at the moment), but ‘why’ he said it. The ‘what’ is not important, the ‘why’ is critical. I have discussed the more macro reasons here, but what we need to do now is understand how this episode will play out.

Let us be clear, the Indian economy is in doldrums, and the standard Indian practice has been to play ostrich at home, and the perpetually-petulant-victim abroad. In effect, our failure at domestic policy leaves our diplomats with few choices – none of them viable. But what is inexcusable is that they have either failed to read the signs in advance or haven’t been heard at the top.

Since Barack Obama’s second term (2012-16), the signs of India fatigue have only been growing, be it on patents, or a host of other issues. Trump has simply distilled that fatigue and accelerated its effects. To start with, he refused to come to India for the Republic Day celebrations citing “scheduling constraints”. That he took a month to decline the invitation should make it clear that there were no prior commitments, just higher priorities.

He has travelled to Saudi Arabia and executed a remarkable about-turn of his Saudi hate. The Saudis had to sign an agreement for US$110 billion in immediate weapons purchases with a total of US$350 billion committed over 10 years. Trump then shifted his attack to Qatar, calling it “a funder of terrorism at a very high level”. The Qataris had to buy their way out, agreeing to spend billions of dollars within months, be it in weapons purchases or oil refining. The three incidents – turning down India’s invitation, travelling to Saudi Arabia, and training and then un-training his guns on Qatar – should have flashed warning signs to India.

Yet, what did India do? It had Ivanka Trump speak at a leadership conference. The fact that India thinks it can buy off a president with intangible platitudes says a lot about how badly our assessment has gone wrong. And yet, we still fail to learn the lessons. The initial 2+2 dialogue of defence and foreign ministers was ostensibly postponed, again due to prior commitments. It pretty much forced India to sign up for COMCASA and LEMOA in order to get the 2+2 going. But there again, these foundational agreements haven’t translated into any tangible gain for the US. This is why we had Trump tweet about tariffs once more (he initially raised India’s duties on Harley-Davidson in his 2017 State of the Union speech).


Meanwhile, Trump saw the highly hostile statements on Kashmir, clearly sanctioned from the very top, emanating from Moscow. Former Russian Ambassador to India, Vyacheslav Trubnikov, a confidante of Russia’s Afghanistan point person Zamir Kabulov, had said, “the solution to Afghanistan lies in Kashmir“. Far from any backlash, India proceeded to give Russia close to US$9 billion worth of arms deals for the S-400 and second Akula class submarine. Contrast this with Pakistan. Pakistan can offer Trump minor tangibles in Afghanistan, which have a disproportionate political effect back in the US (Pakistan understands this well). Pakistan has Trump in a monopsony situation by being the only supply route, with Russia and Iran having been alienated.

What was all this meant to signal to Trump? Tweet on tariffs, you won’t get anything; we’ll keep throwing sweet nothings your and Ivanka’s way. But attack us on core interests like Kashmir as Trubnikov did, actively undermine Indian interests as Kabulov had, and you would get US$9 billion. Trump clearly internalised this message. In the end, there is no conclusion other than that India has brought this upon itself. It should have read the warning signs, it didn’t. There should be no doubt that Trump has done this to extract a price. How steep that price will be, shall be determined by what Trump believes: the reality of the Indian economy or Modi’s hype. In the end, Modi may very well end up becoming a victim of his own successful marketing campaign.

The author is a senior fellow at the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies. He tweets @iyervval. Views are personal.

https://theprint.in/opinion/trump-i...tely-lied-about-modis-kashmir-request/266723/
This is a version of events, not necessarily the truth...
 

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Superb! We think song and dance is a substitute for hard diplomacy and business of govt...
we think by playing soft (as we did with Russians and now are doing with Trump) we can avoid hard stuff.

Well, seems Trump has shafted us and disabused us of antiquated notions of diplomacy


 

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Your understanding is not accurate on this nuclear quagmire.

Word "Help and Extention' are fungible. I don't know how you will make a distinction between both. Either they helped and didn't. If the Chinese helped Pakistan being a superior power it means they also control.

China wanted to create nuclear pockets on multiple places to create migraine for Nato and Russia. Only Pakistan was its successful operation. A nation who sends his own devices and men to detonate nuke for a Pakistani response to Pokhran-2 can tell anyone how hands-on Chinese are. The whole proliferation saga had Chinese backing but on getting caught Pakistan became a willing culprit for obvious reasons.

The excuse of Grandfathering by delivering next-gen nuclear plants even after NTP came into force is another undeniable proof.

6. By media crackdown, I mean changing the discourse on this particular issue.

Again adding De-nuking Pakistan into this mix is a fancy unplausible proposition. It will lead us to nowhere but muddle the waters of India's assertiveness vis a vis USA's eccentricities. De-Nuking Pakistan is USA's headache because it is a Chinese project.

India's salvation relies upon overwhelming conventional response and reciprocating terror with terror, cross border raids to dominate LOC and IB with its nuclear deterrence intact. Soon India lobes nukes at Pakistan the deterrence fails and then it becomes the play of numbers which all nuclear powers will love to get involved and Chinese will win with a walkover.

The 3rd option for India is to produce warfighting nuclear arsenal which goes beyond 3K nukes ready to go.
De-nuking Pak is in India's best interest, those nukes let's are not pointed at the US. While China will be a stone in the shoe, can it shower Pukis billions in credit to keep running while we are smacking down on their bunkers as we speak? CPEC is already a road to nowhere with the Chinkis probably not seeing two paise in ROI. Dude we already have over 350+ nukes ( including several dozens of H-Bombs), what are we going to do with 3K nukes?

If you think the Chinks are going to risk nuclear war with India for Pak, again you give more worth to the average Paki than I do. Chinks are cunning but not stupid. Chinese still have vivid memories of Cho-La and Nathula, they still rub burnol for those burns.

While it's easy to say we can wipe Pukis off the map with nukes, once used on the battlefield in the Indian subcontinent, there will be large scale loss of life, death, radiation and devastation even among our populace since some will slip through. Vast areas of fertile land will be toxic for generations. Fuck all that non sense.

Overwhelming Conventional response won't do jack unless we decide to take back what was once ours i.e POK which means going to war (not happening unless provoked by Pukis to a very high escalation point). Do we in this day and age give two literal fucks about POK? Let's be honest? Haven't we been trying a conventional response for about 70 years? Keep in mind the Puki response to all recent ops including Balakot, surgical strikes have been: what strike? where? what? really? what school? Wait really India bombed us? Where? How? But they did eco-terrorism, those trees are shaheed.

Unless some bold long term move is't made, we'll be fighting them on the LOC way beyond our own finite life spans or till some bad miscalculation happens.
 

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Has the state department come out with a clarification of Trump's purported conversation with PM Modi?.... How can any leader have a honest conversation with this dude now.
 

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