Trump Uses the K-word, Includes Bajwa in Talks with Imran

[Immanuel]

You simply cannot pull a Normandy on Iran. It has far better maritime defenses than any other state in the Persian Gulf, Saudi Arabia included, and has access to Russian hardware. Iranian/Russian action in Syria made it amply clear that Iran isn't Iraq. You can't show up with an amphibious task-force. You need a land-based staging area that''s built up over months, which is either Iraq (which will become a political shit-show at the UN), or you can use Pakistan.

Bolton is a Kissinger/Cheney-type cocksucker who can push Trump to do anything, even if it sends US-India relations back to 1971-levels.

I think what will happen in the coming few weeks, though, is that Iran will physically test a nuke, which will force the US to back off.

You seem to think, closing of the Hormuz will play well with any of it's neighbors.

Armed with tons of F-15s, EF, Block-60s, F-35s, etc. UAE, Saudi, Kuwait and others would thrash Iran like their Goats were on fire. Add to that Israel and potentially NATO. Russia will abandon Iran faster than a rabbit get's fucked.

That oil titty is too precious for Unwashed Ayatollahs to fuck around with.

You also seem to think Israel will just lay down and let Iran cross their red line. Them Hebrews don't fuck around, if anything their actions of the past prove that.

 

[pankaj nema]

The JOKE is on Pakistan

When Nawaz Sharif was Summoned by
Clinton in 1999 , During Kargil war, then The US
President Made an announcement that he
Will Help in Resolving Kashmir dispute

It was a Face Saving exit route for Pakis

Similarly US does not give two hoots about
Kashmir

Pakis will be screwed if they act Funny

 

[ezsasa]

Ok..I will bite. Care to explain the Chankianess of his verbal diarrhoea today?

Argument can be made that trump is exposing the soft underbelly of American foreign policy...

Many think American foreign policy is all powerful and omnipresent, truth is something else altogether. They got away until now because they had networks like CNN covering their backs, and these channels were always on the offensive against others and they controlled the narrative. And it was Fox during bush administration.

In India’s case if you go back in time and observe closely, it was the indian media who created Obama image and not his actions or words wrt India.

Trump is giving a golden opportunity(knowingly or unknowingly)to all major powers to carve out their own space, just like he promised in his election campaign.

Infact trump is sticking to everything he has promised in his election rally.

Edit: America’s high point in global diplomacy was in Bosnia negotiations, it has been downhill since then. After that it’s just been only military power projection in Middle East, and nothing else.

 

[S.A.T.A]

You are Un Aware of US Administration Procedures and Practices

The US President has enormous powers
To Grant Favours or Overrule Bureaucratic hurdles

For Example The Indo US Nuclear Deal happened ONLY BECAUSE of George Bush

When Bureaucrats Refuse to Sign or Approve something , The President WEIGHS in to get things done

Even OBAMA helped us in LEMOA agreement

A Friendly US President is a BIG Asset

That is why Modi Hugged him

This Kashmir thing is Nonsense

Even in 1994 , When Narasimha Rao went to US , He clearly Said in Congress that
Kashmir is Not Negotiable

And Clinton was a Pro Pakistan President

And our Economy was very weak in 1994

So let us not make a fuss

Focus on what we can get

If Pakis play a Game on Afghanistan
Trump will Smash them

Well that is precisely the point.... Trump administration is not India friendly and will probably never be. We need to get out this antiquated notion that any statement against Pakistan by US administration makes it pro-india. We are not going to get anything tangible from the trump administration, other than bullying and such diplomatic balderdash. The sooner we recognize the better.

 

[Butter Chicken]

Pathological liar Niazi just can't stop.Go through the thread

 

[ezsasa]

Well that is precisely the point.... Trump administration is not India friendly and will probably never be. We need to get out this antiquated notion that any statement against Pakistan by US administration makes it pro-india. We are not going to get anything tangible from the trump administration, other than bullying and such diplomatic balderdash. The sooner we recognize the better.

Not just trump administration, none of American administrations were India friendly since our independence.

 

[Varahamihira]

Seems like people are having difficulty in understanding Trump.

See, if you see a mad monkey,you will run far away from it and up your defenses or approach it carefully.
Trump is making you believe that he is that mad monkey with BIG nuclear button.
So, everyone is up in their nickers worrying what he'll do next.

He brought Kim Jong Un to the table, showing him he is the bigger monkey in the room, so, behave. No US President has ever done that.

The simple thing is, he is a businessman,in toto.
He will lie, he will cheat, he will spite, he will lick as long as he gets the deal.

He is not insane, he's running US as a businessman to get the best deal.

I'm sure Modi knows this.

 

[S.A.T.A]

why embarrass? Pissing into the wind that....Point has been made by the EAM , its where that should remain. We dont need Trump doubling down on his nonsense because of an overreaction from here.

Overreaction would be when the EAM calls him a big fat liar in its official statement. Release the minutes of the meeting and ask him to explain why he made up this fake exchange of words with the PM.... Surely this is a diplomatic norm.

 

[ezsasa]

Seems like people are having difficulty in understanding Trump.

See, if you see a mad monkey,you will run far away from it and up your defenses or approach it carefully.
Trump is making you believe that he is that mad monkey with BIG nuclear button.
So, everyone is up in their nickers worrying what he'll do next.

He brought Kim Jong Un to the table, showing him he is the bigger monkey in the room, so, behave. No US President has ever done that.

The simple thing is, he is a businessman,in toto.
He will lie, he will cheat, he will spite, he will lick as long as he gets the deal.

He is not insane, he's running US as a businessman to get the best deal.

I'm sure Modi knows this.

Yup, trump is using the same aggressive business tactics that American businessmen(especially in New York) do amongst themselves. They call it “hustle” if I am not wrong.

Most people think rich people become rich by being nice, all rich people in all countries are a$$ holes of number one order.

 

[pankaj nema]

Well that is precisely the point.... Trump administration is not India friendly and will probably never be. We need to get out this antiquated notion that any statement against Pakistan by US administration makes it pro-india. We are not going to get anything tangible from the trump administration, other than bullying and such diplomatic balderdash. The sooner we recognize the better.

Diplomacy is an Art , we have Invested Huge Time , Energy , Efforts and Money
To UNDO the Cold war era hard feelings and tensions between US and India

You cannot throw it all away for a Non issue

 

[ezsasa]

Our journalists missed an opportunity. Our journos should be saying “pak pm did not object when trump said he will nuke afghan, PM niazi does not care about afghan lives?” Statements on peace came as a after thought”...

 

[S.A.T.A]

Not just trump administration, none of American administrations were India friendly since our independence.

This administration with an infantile president at the helm, will be the worst. Modi govt will be ill advised to invest any strategic capital in this administration..

 

[pankaj nema]

If you Ask Any Paki to Choose between
More Free F 16s and Kashmir , He will
Choose the Free F 16s

So Pakis can Shove this " Kashmir Support " up their behinds

They are getting Neither Weapons Nor Money

 

[hit&run]

Seems like people are having difficulty in understanding Trump.

See, if you see a mad monkey,you will run far away from it and up your defenses or approach it carefully.
Trump is making you believe that he is that mad monkey with BIG nuclear button.
So, everyone is up in their nickers worrying what he'll do next.

He brought Kim Jong Un to the table, showing him he is the bigger monkey in the room, so, behave. No US President has ever done that.

The simple thing is, he is a businessman,in toto.
He will lie, he will cheat, he will spite, he will lick as long as he gets the deal.

He is not insane, he's running US as a businessman to get the best deal.

I'm sure Modi knows this.

It is not about Trump. It is about Pakistan.

Behind all this cacophony, the sane minds who matter both in India and USA know the how things work in reality.

Today Pakistan is like a fish just out of water. An AV was posted by a good posted in an Indian think tank thread where current EAM said that previously India got gamed by Pakistan. Pakistan and its new gandu PM are trying to play the same game. They will cry, paly victim and ask for others to mediate.

India must not pay heed to Pakistan's desperate screams but keep punishing them at LOC, with cross border raids and economically with the sanctions, stoping water and competition.

 

[ezsasa]

This administration with an infantile president at the helm, will be the worst. Modi govt will be ill advised to invest any strategic capital in this administration..

I think Obama administration was more infantile...

Net net trump administration has allowed us more space to grow diplomatically, than Obama&hillary ever did.

 

[Immanuel]

Ok..I will bite. Care to explain the Chankianess of his verbal diarrhoea today?

By saying Modi asked, he is trying to gauge if Modi will bite. He gives little fucks to what people around him think about him. This is a guy who get's 95% negative press from Fake News Media and yet has 50% approval by the most accurate polls.

Well for one, if anyone in the world who thinks Kashmir can be solved by India and Pak (bilaterally) peacefully is silly to say the least, we have been trying for 70 years. US will have a say on it regardless of what anyone thinks, IF there is to be peaceful settlement.

I believe Trump has a long term plan to De-Nuke Pak with US help in return for long term investments and other goodies into Pak. India would never use nukes against Conventional enemy. There would be guarantees for no nuke usage from our side. LOC would be made the final boundary and Pak would be free to do what it wants as long as they don't fuck about in Kashmir and gradually shut down their anti-India Ops. Any excercise in De-nuking would mean UN, IAEA and even US inspectors.

Shortly, Kashmir would be rid of age old infrastructure that supported local militants and cross border infiltration and India would dominate the conversation overwhelmingly.

I think we will see a easing of covert ops in Baluchistan as well for now from our side.

Some pieces are already in play.

Litmus test for Pukis are for political settlements in Afghan and keeping the peace beyond 2020. Second Term of Trump will be very interesting.

Remember epic level trolling by the God King that he can fuck Afghan in 10 mins, it is a staunching warning to Pukis to get in line and get the political peace done. Afghan peace is litmus test for any future settlement with India over Kashmir.

Getting peace in Afghan also means Pukis need to dismantle their entire 'Dial a Jihadi' network. They'll need to puke out Haqqanis and other unwashed Abduls. At the end of the meeting IK was probably browning his Salwar since now he has a delicate job of getting his army under control and get it done.

 

[S.A.T.A]

Diplomacy is an Art , we have Invested Huge Time , Energy , Efforts and Money
To UNDO the Cold war era hard feelings and tensions between US and India

You cannot throw it all away for a Non issue

I'm not advocating turning the clock back on our ties, but at times biding your time is better than rushing into a faux friendship. This is not a one off incident, but it is a litany of similar incidents which should make us wary.

 

[pankaj nema]

What if Trump' s Son in Law who has arranged this meeting has made money out of PTI party

And the Pakis wanted a Statement on Kashmir

 

[Vijyes]

There's much more than meets the eye with Trump's statement. Balakot has rattled many power centers, including in the Gulf. No one wants to see India evolving from meek, dossier power to a bully arm-twisting his way through.

One thing is sure, we shouldn't depend on USA for any critical techs and products.

We never did depend on USA for critical technology. Even now, the reason why India-USA relationship is not gaining momentum is because India is demanding Technology transfer which USA is denying. Hence, India doesn't see meaning in any ties with USA.

USA was always enemy of India. This is a usual affairs.

You are Un Aware of US Administration Procedures and Practices

The US President has enormous powers
To Grant Favours or Overrule Bureaucratic hurdles

For Example The Indo US Nuclear Deal happened ONLY BECAUSE of George Bush

When Bureaucrats Refuse to Sign or Approve something , The President WEIGHS in to get things done

Even OBAMA helped us in LEMOA agreement

A Friendly US President is a BIG Asset

That is why Modi Hugged him

This Kashmir thing is Nonsense

Even in 1994 , When Narasimha Rao went to US , He clearly Said in Congress that
Kashmir is Not Negotiable

And Clinton was a Pro Pakistan President

And our Economy was very weak in 1994

So let us not make a fuss

Focus on what we can get

If Pakis play a Game on Afghanistan
Trump will Smash them

First understand that president is just a face. Clinton or Bush or Trump are all governed by deep state calculations. Obama was an exception as he was a mole of Arabs.

India got nuclear deal not because of Bush but due to calculation that the nuclear deal can be used to make India concede its nuclear power plants to civilian use and hence can be made to deprive India of Plutonium production by keeping Indian reactors under IAEA safeguard. However, BJP objection prevented that from happening and india selectively kept only some reactors under IAEA while keeping rest under military use. But it has nothing to do with Bush using his whims. It was a calculated decision by deep state of USA.

You seem to think, closing of the Hormuz will play well with any of it's neighbors.

Armed with tons of F-15s, EF, Block-60s, F-35s, etc. UAE, Saudi, Kuwait and others would thrash Iran like their Goats were on fire. Add to that Israel and potentially NATO. Russia will abandon Iran faster than a rabbit get's fucked.

That oil titty is too precious for Unwashed Ayatollahs to fuck around with.

You also seem to think Israel will just lay down and let Iran cross their red line. Them Hebrews don't fuck around, if anything their actions of the past prove that.

Israel is not as strong as you claim. Israel is weak and can only defend itself due to fortification and USA technology. Israel can't engage in offensive actions and get decisive victory.

Iran can't defeat USA but can definitely destroy all the oil infrastructure of middle east and deprive the world of over 20 million barrels of oil export. This will ruin global economy irreversibly and also destroy petrodollar of USA. The gains of fighting Iran is not enough to start a war.

Iran itself will not start a war but can't be simply taken out by anyone else easily

 

[Suryavanshi]

We have proof of f16 kill don't we. Release the proof and ruin F16s reputation for good.

Trumps retardness or not this statement must not go unpunished. Every mistakes deserves punishment, they have made a mistake and they know it and now it depends upon us to let go or give them an appropriate response.
Letting things like these slides are the reason why no one takes us seriously, let this one go and they will make another statement like this tomorrow.

This is the same as the bully analogy.

If a bully bullies a kid the teacher might make him apologise tomorrow but this would make the bully loose all repsect for him, whereas if we stand our ground the bully will be considerate of our response next time.

I hope Cuckendra Modi doesn't let this go.

In sabhi Indian politician ka problem kya he har jagah Nehruvian politics hagg dete he.

Madarchod ek baap ke aulad ho to iska jabab dena hoga.
Ye America har bar aa kar hagg kar chala jata he aur hume use saff karna padta he.