Trudeau accuses Indian government of involvement in killing of Canadian terrorist

[Jimih]

Its not impossible for them to pass such resolution. Not now.. but if India continues to grow and assert itself. They'll surely pinch us. That will mark formally entry of India to play in internal politics of Canada finally. You will see India siding with Russia(if its relations with west is still sour) to support qubec and Irish interests.

Turd-eww's vote bank and alliance partner are the Khalistanis themselves.

 

[AnantS]

Turd-eww's vote bank and alliance partner are the Khalistanis themselves.

Its by design. Canda was like that, even when khalis were not dominant political force.

 

[Jimih]

Its by design. Canda was like that, even when khalis were not dominant political force.

Not seeing any action on Khalistanis even in near future.

Even the opposition leader and 'PM in waiting' Pierre Poilievre is cosying up with them.

 

[Illusive]

Alhamdulillah!

The stage is being set for a complete divorce between the Anglo 5i alliance & the Zionists in the next 2 generations possibly earlier.

I hope you realise what this means. Die Juden will be forced to look for allies outside of the West. Who better than the Hindutvawadis. Yahood o Hunood ki saazish is coming true.

I think in some time in the future US Canada border might look more like Indo Bangladesh border.

 

[AnantS]

Not seeing any action on Khalistanis even in near future.

Even the opposition leader and PM in waiting Pierre Poilievre is cosying up with them.

Khalis have been groomed and farmed for having leverage against India. They are never gonna give it up.

 

[The Juggernaut]

Not seeing any action on Khalistanis even in near future.

Even the opposition leader and PM in waiting Pierre Polliervre is cosying up with them.

Canada is cooked, they taking all bravado and Mr nice guy stuff but the big brother USA having nuanced take and relationships.

They just making one wrong move after another, making relationship sour with everyone non European.

 

[Azaad]

i suppose similar resolution on khalistan is incoming.
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"Thrilled to announce that the Parliament of Canada has passed a unanimous motion declaring Tibet’s right to self-determination.”

Probably in response to China's meddling in Canada's internal affairs / elections. Also it wouldn't have come about without the US backing it or at the behest of the US. The same US won't open up the Khalistani front for us as of NOW. Not until China's sorted out.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Probably in response to China's meddling in Canada's internal affairs / elections. Also it wouldn't have come about without the US backing it or at the behest of the US. The same US won't open up the Khalistani front for us as of NOW. Not until China's sorted out.

Which is exactly why its in our interests to make sure USA never sorts out China.

 

[Azaad]

You're making it sound as if it's in our hands whether or not the US & China sorts out their relationship amicably

Which is exactly why its in our interests to make sure USA never sorts out China.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

You're making it sound as if it's in our hands whether or not the US & China sorts out their relationship amicably

When two people hate each other, a third person is able to either improve or deteriorate the situation by saying/doing stuff. Same doctrine applies. balancing relations between two foreign parties is something the brits excelled at fyi, its something i hope our MEA has learnt from them.

 

[Azaad]

When two people hate each other, a third person is able to either improve or deteriorate the situation by saying/doing stuff. Same doctrine applies. balancing relations between two foreign parties is something the brits excelled at fyi, its something i hope our MEA has learnt from them.

Yeah , well in case you didn't notice , the biggest variable which will decide war & peace isn't India , it's Taiwan. The US won't go about attacking China if the latter wages war on India. However if China makes a move on Taiwan , the US definitely would.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Yeah , well in case you didn't notice , the biggest variable which will decide war & peace isn't India , it's Taiwan. The US won't go about attacking China if the latter wages war on India. However if China makes a move on Taiwan , the US definitely would.

thats irrelevant what the biggest variable is. you are not understanding how to be the third man to a bi-directional relationship that involves having *some* influence in expediting or hindering the relationship.

What the scenarios are is relevant only as a point of exploitation of the power the third party can have in influencing the scenario.

We dont have be their bestest buddies each to make sure we have influence on THEIR relationship.

There's plenty of room in clandestine space to increase mistrust/cause misdirections if one wishes to dedicate funds and policy towards that field, for eg.

 

[hurrians]

 

[MuffleParch]

Yeah , well in case you didn't notice , the biggest variable which will decide war & peace isn't India , it's Taiwan. The US won't go about attacking China if the latter wages war on India. However if China makes a move on Taiwan , the US definitely would.

When (and if) the entire TSMC ecosystem is moved to the US and the West, the US wouldn't care much about Taiwan despite all the claims about fully supporting the democratic Taiwan.

 

[Azaad]

When (and if) the entire TSMC ecosystem is moved to the US and the West, the US wouldn't care much about Taiwan despite all the claims about fully supporting the democratic Taiwan.

Nope . Safeguarding tech supply chains isn't the same as ensuring clear SLOCs. Japan isn't going to tolerate Chinese dominance of the first island chain . They've made their stance known in public a number of times.

If Taiwan falls , Japan & RoK's SLOC will be under Chinese control which means either they contest it or accept Chinese suzerainty. Also applicable to ASEAN. Who's going to care about the US then ?

This is also a question of continued US hegemony over the world. Do you think they'd share such absolute power ?

 

[MuffleParch]

Nope . Safeguarding tech supply chains isn't the same as ensuring clear SLOCs. Japan isn't going to tolerate Chinese dominance of the first island chain . They've made their stance known in public a number of times.

If Taiwan falls , Japan & RoK's SLOC will be under Chinese control which means either they contest it or accept Chinese suzerainty. Also applicable to ASEAN. Who's going to care about the US then ?

This is also a question of continued US hegemony over the world. Do you think they'd share such absolute power ?

I don't think China is ready to invade Taiwan as yet. But it is at the top of Xi's list of MUST_DOs. However, If China were to invade tomorrow, would the West (Americans mostly) get directly involved in the armed conflict? They probably will, even if Trump is elected.

Two years from now, the West may not. They may form alliances with Japan and SE Asian countries and support them. They will put some sanctions against China but they have to be careful about hurting their own economies. However, Americans do not want to see their sons and daughters die in Taiwan.

As far as maintaining the US hegemony, there are plenty of places in the world to play that game. Taiwan is not worth it. I don't see any appetite for new wars in the US and Trump is taking full advantage of it.

 

[Azaad]

I don't think China is ready to invade Taiwan as yet. But it is at the top of Xi's list of MUST_DOs. However, If China were to invade tomorrow, would the West (Americans mostly) get directly involved in the armed conflict? They probably will, even if Trump is elected.

Two years from now, the West may not. They may form alliances with Japan and SE Asian countries and support them. They will put some sanctions against China but they have to be careful about hurting their own economies. However, Americans do not want to see their sons and daughters die in Taiwan.

As far as maintaining the US hegemony, there are plenty of places in the world to play that game. Taiwan is not worth it. I don't see any appetite for new wars in the US and Trump is taking full advantage of it.

The principal hub of world trade is Asia. Lose that & you lose the world. China's starting out with Asia is common sense . It also happens to be based here. Once it controls affairs here with its industrial might it's only a matter of time before it spreads its influence in Africa & Latin America where it already has a substantial presence before moving onto mainland Europe & N. America.

Another reason the confrontation is bound to happen IMO , is the massive strides China's made in advanced engineering like material sciences , battery technology resulting in dominating the EV industry , 5 Gen Cellular technology & beyond & now the rapid strides they're making in chipset technology. I don't think the west anticipated China would catch up as fast with them as they'd earlier anticipated.

It's now boiled down to protecting their own turf. China's got rid of Samsung courtesy their local brands such that Samsung ceased mfg their cell phones there some time back & are now importing it to sell there & Huawei is now affecting iPhone sales in a big manner.

Incidentally Samsung chose India to be its cell phones mfg hub after exiting China just as Apple is now developing India into a major hub for mfg sales & export.

If things continue in the same vein , you'd see the west lose its dominance in practically every field in a matter of years not decades. Taiwan as you can see then is only an excuse . This confrontation would've happened even without Taiwan.

 

[hurrians]

.can the five eyes led by usa continue to pinprick Bharat by engaging with khalis
.it do

 

[GaudaNaresh]

The principal hub of world trade is Asia. Lose that & you lose the world. China's starting out with Asia is common sense . It also happens to be based here. Once it controls affairs here with its industrial might it's only a matter of time before it spreads its influence in Africa & Latin America where it already has a substantial presence before moving onto mainland Europe & N. America.

Another reason the confrontation is bound to happen IMO , is the massive strides China's made in advanced engineering like material sciences , battery technology resulting in dominating the EV industry , 5 Gen Cellular technology & beyond & now the rapid strides they're making in chipset technology. I don't think the west anticipated China would catch up as fast with them as they'd earlier anticipated.

It's now boiled down to protecting their own turf. China's got rid of Samsung courtesy their local brands such that Samsung ceased mfg their cell phones there some time back & are now importing it to sell there & Huawei is now affecting iPhone sales in a big manner.

Incidentally Samsung chose India to be its cell phones mfg hub after exiting China just as Apple is now developing India into a major hub for mfg sales & export.

If things continue in the same vein , you'd see the west lose its dominance in practically every field in a matter of years not decades. Taiwan as you can see then is only an excuse . This confrontation would've happened even without Taiwan.

It has to be remembered that USA hasnt fought a peer power since ww2 and China hasnt since 1963.
Neither is going to risk nuclear war and total annihilation for taiwan.
China benefits by doing nothing in the thucydydes trap doctrine- the longer it waits, the narrower the gap between itself and usa.
USA is extremely risk averse and its social dynamics is such that barring an actual invasion of continental USA, USA isnt going to risk hundreds of thousands of bodybags returning home. It is therefore, trying to deal with China like it dealt with USSR: contain it and choke it of resources and economy till it collapses under its own weight. With China that is extremely hard and as such, USA has no clear plan towards it.

With China, the pathway is clear- end dollar hegemony, which ends US hegemony. As such, USA will risk war only when its dollar hegemony is near collapse.

 

[Azaad]

It has to be remembered that USA hasnt fought a peer power since ww2 and China hasnt since 1963.
Neither is going to risk nuclear war and total annihilation for taiwan.
China benefits by doing nothing in the thucydydes trap doctrine- the longer it waits, the narrower the gap between itself and usa.
USA is extremely risk averse and its social dynamics is such that barring an actual invasion of continental USA, USA isnt going to risk hundreds of thousands of bodybags returning home. It is therefore, trying to deal with China like it dealt with USSR: contain it and choke it of resources and economy till it collapses under its own weight. With China that is extremely hard and as such, USA has no clear plan towards it.

With China, the pathway is clear- end dollar hegemony, which ends US hegemony. As such, USA will risk war only when its dollar hegemony is near collapse.

Have you checked the amount of sovereign gold the US owns? Even without the dollar hegemony, they'd do well if the world returns to the gold standard & manage their debts at the same time though having said that the transition isn't going to be a smooth one.

As far as choking China goes, to use an analogy from metallurgy, the Chinese state is extremely hard yet fragile. The Han have traded personal freedoms for economic prosperity like for instance in Singapore though the regime in the latter state is no CCP in this respect.

Sustained sanctions resulting in an economic downturn coupled with mindless expansion by the Chinese which for instance has already resulted in a crippled real estate sector & consequent fall out will deeply unsettle the Chinese populace.

If there's one thing the Chinese state fears much more than external aggression , it's an insurrection by its own people of which there are plenty of examples in Chinese history , all of which the CCP avid readers of their own history are aware of.

In view of the above I put it to you, that the CCP will come out all guns blazing when that happens to shore up support for its regime by playing the nationalist card.

This is likely to follow the same trajectory that US Japan relations followed in the 1930s before open hostilities broke out.

To add to the above, your thinking is like that of an oriental. We've experienced colonization & it's after effects. The Anglo Saxons or the Europeans don't think like you do. Pragmatism may be a virtue to you hence you'd be amenable to sharing power. To the Anglo Saxon it's a huge come down. The US will confront China for the same reasons the UK confronted Germany.