Trichy Assault Rifle

[Saumyasupraik]

The TAR looks like a Bulgarian AR M1 clone. You can differentiate between the new TAR and Ghatak
1)Milled receiver (seems logical to go this way since OFT has the milling equipment) on the TAR instead of stamped steel receiver based on the INSAS of the Ghatak.
2)90* gas block of the AR M1 on the TAR instead of AKM gas block on the Ghatak.
3)AK-47/AR-M1 style buttstock along with bulgarian side-folder and telescopic buttstock on the TAR instead of the AKM (MPi KM to be specific) style buttstock of the Ghatak.

 

[Sunder singh]

What about the accuracy it as bad as ak

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[Johny_Baba]

Kalashnikov Variant with Gas Regulator and Short-Stroke reloading mechanism

 

[OverLoad]

The first lot of indigenously developed assault rifle, AK-47, was handed over to the Chhattisgarh Police on the Ordnance Factory Tiruchi (OFT) campus here on the occasion of 216th Ordnance Factories Day celebration on Saturday.

K. Appa Rao, General Manager, OFT, handed over the AK-47 to D. Ratan Lal, Deputy Inspector General of Police, Chhattisgarh. Mr. Rao said police departments in many States, including Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, were fighting against Maoists. The central armed paramilitary forces and elite forces such as Special Task Force, CRPF, Border Security Force and the elite forces of Army in the order of Rashtriya Rifles, Assam Rifles were using imported AK-47 and other AK series rifles for counter insurgency operations against Kashmir militants and other extremist forces.

Army and Central armed paramilitary forces were shifting towards 7.62 mm caliber rifles with automatic firing for having high probability to incapacitate and kill the enemy in counter-insurgency operations. The OFT took up the ‘7.62 x 39 mm Assault Rifle Project’ one-and-a-half-year ago. It was equivalent and on a par with advanced AK-47 rifles in performance and reliability. “It is a powerful individual automatic weapon designed to destroy the enemy in automatic and single fire mode.

D. Ratan Lal, Deputy Inspector General of Police, Chhattisgarh, showing the assault rifle at Ordnance Factory Tiruchi campus on Saturday. OFT General Manager K. Appa Rao is seen
This rifle was manufactured in three variants - fixed butt, side foldable butt and under folding. “The user has the option to choose it as per requirement. This weapon uses 7.62 x 39 mm ammunition made by Ordnance Factory, Varangoan, Bhushawal. “It can be fired in single shot, automatic and burst fire mode. In automatic mode, it fires 600 rounds per minute,” he said.

By firing in automatic mode in short series, group or single targets at a distance up to 500 metres could be destroyed. It was most effective up to a distance of 300 meters. The design permitted attaching with a 40mm under barrel Grenade Launcher UBGL and 40x46 mm under barrel Grenande Launcher UBGL-M6, he said.

Morover there were inherent advantages of engineering support from OFT and adequate availability of ammunition and spares.

Mr. Rao said the OFT received orders for AK-47 from police departments from a few States. The production and assembly lines were being established for mass production.

Ordnance Factories across the country were concentrating on in-house research and development. Modernization of plant and machinery was another major thrust area, he said.
Later, Mr. Appa Rao inaugurated an exhibition on weapons and photographs.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...ry-develops-assault-rifle/article17528273.ece
@Indx TechStyle @AbRaj

 

[Shashank Sharma]

I understand that it has been license manufactured by OFT. Why couldn't we give them the Excalibur or any other Indian designed one?

 

[AbRaj]

The first lot of indigenously developed assault rifle, AK-47, was handed over to the Chhattisgarh Police on the Ordnance Factory Tiruchi (OFT) campus here on the occasion of 216th Ordnance Factories Day celebration on Saturday.

K. Appa Rao, General Manager, OFT, handed over the AK-47 to D. Ratan Lal, Deputy Inspector General of Police, Chhattisgarh. Mr. Rao said police departments in many States, including Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, were fighting against Maoists. The central armed paramilitary forces and elite forces such as Special Task Force, CRPF, Border Security Force and the elite forces of Army in the order of Rashtriya Rifles, Assam Rifles were using imported AK-47 and other AK series rifles for counter insurgency operations against Kashmir militants and other extremist forces.

Army and Central armed paramilitary forces were shifting towards 7.62 mm caliber rifles with automatic firing for having high probability to incapacitate and kill the enemy in counter-insurgency operations. The OFT took up the ‘7.62 x 39 mm Assault Rifle Project’ one-and-a-half-year ago. It was equivalent and on a par with advanced AK-47 rifles in performance and reliability. “It is a powerful individual automatic weapon designed to destroy the enemy in automatic and single fire mode.

D. Ratan Lal, Deputy Inspector General of Police, Chhattisgarh, showing the assault rifle at Ordnance Factory Tiruchi campus on Saturday. OFT General Manager K. Appa Rao is seen
This rifle was manufactured in three variants - fixed butt, side foldable butt and under folding. “The user has the option to choose it as per requirement. This weapon uses 7.62 x 39 mm ammunition made by Ordnance Factory, Varangoan, Bhushawal. “It can be fired in single shot, automatic and burst fire mode. In automatic mode, it fires 600 rounds per minute,” he said.

By firing in automatic mode in short series, group or single targets at a distance up to 500 metres could be destroyed. It was most effective up to a distance of 300 meters. The design permitted attaching with a 40mm under barrel Grenade Launcher UBGL and 40x46 mm under barrel Grenande Launcher UBGL-M6, he said.

Morover there were inherent advantages of engineering support from OFT and adequate availability of ammunition and spares.

Mr. Rao said the OFT received orders for AK-47 from police departments from a few States. The production and assembly lines were being established for mass production.

Ordnance Factories across the country were concentrating on in-house research and development. Modernization of plant and machinery was another major thrust area, he said.
Later, Mr. Appa Rao inaugurated an exhibition on weapons and photographs.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...ry-develops-assault-rifle/article17528273.ece
@Indx TechStyle @AbRaj

don't even know that AK 47 was developed by USSR.

 

[OverLoad]

don't even know that AK 47 was developed by USSR.

They now but mentioned license production by India.

 

[Chinmoy]

The reporter doesn't even know what he is reporting. This is the Indian version of AK series better known as Ghatak. Many state police have applied for the same and distribution is under way. In the same league, Chattisgarh police too is getting the cache. Recently seen a lot of these with CISF.

@Shashank Sharma .... Police team of Naxal infested area and other CT ops areas have opted for 7.62 round instead of 5.45, so this Ghatak instead of Excalibur.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The original TAR from FAL influenced would have been much better than a simple clone, Ghatak is better design available already ..

Ordinance factories are competing between themselves and this is how they do it ..

 

[AbRaj]

The original TAR from FAL influenced would have been much better than a simple clone, Ghatak is better design available already ..

Ordinance factories are competing between themselves and this is how they do it ..

FAL design is definitely better. Better to slap a modern lightweight body to reliable and accurate FAL internal design.
BTW between Ak47 and FAL (Full auto)which is preferred by an armymen.
Apperantly Ak has distinct advantage over SLR in COIN ops IMO.

 

[Shaitan]

The reporter doesn't even know what he is reporting. This is the Indian version of AK series better known as Ghatak. Many state police have applied for the same and distribution is under way. In the same league, Chattisgarh police too is getting the cache. Recently seen a lot of these with CISF.

@Shashank Sharma .... Police team of Naxal infested area and other CT ops areas have opted for 7.62 round instead of 5.45, so this Ghatak instead of Excalibur.

It's not Ghatak, that is Ishapore's model. This is Trichys, known as, T.A.R.

Two factories are now producing AK47 clones.

 

[Masada]

The slanted tip of barrel used to be of old Ak's ,so there is no flash suppressor .How many years it takes to clone a 1947 era design without any new design inputs .

This is Bulgarian SLR ,from whom India has been buying bulk AK's in the past

 

[Kunal Biswas]

First know how R&D system works of a country before thinking ahead ..

Requirement are prepared by Defense forces which are put into design, If the requirement is no flash hider then their won`t be a flash hider.

The slanted tip of barrel used to be of old Ak's ,so there is no flash suppressor .How many years it takes to clone a 1947 era design without any new design inputs .

This is Bulgarian SLR ,from whom India has been buying bulk AK's in the past

 

[Johny_Baba]

Requirement are prepared by Defense forces which are put into design,

Don't you think dada it's a bit problem with us ?

DRDO/OFB make stuff 'STRICTLY' as per requirements given by Defense Forces.

What about innovation ? why don't they made something of their own and present it to our forces ? (I hope you get the message)

 

[ghost]

Don't you think dada it's a bit problem with us ?

DRDO/OFB make stuff 'STRICTLY' as per requirements given by Defense Forces.

What about innovation ? why don't they made something of their own and present it to our forces ? (I hope you get the message)

The requirement part is bullshit,show me one document where forces have specified any one particular type of muzzle device.They can only specify the caliber and to some extent barrel length and stock (fixed or folding) nothing else(in this case most probably only the caliber was dictated),rest they can ask for improvement over the prototype provided to them.

Show me one document where they withheld the OFB from designing a modern rifle in 7.62x39mm.
OFB trichy did produce a prototype in different design,but there were problems with it in trials -


It is 2017 ,people are producing much refined and improved AK platform rifles ,such as :


Galil ace

AK -alfa

AK 400

They could have provided a modern design ,improving over the shortcoming of an ak platform .They should have provided a hybrid muzzle brake that would have reduced the recoil as well as controlled the vertical climb,but they didn't. This is because of sheer incompetence and nothing else.

 

[ezsasa]

Don't you think dada it's a bit problem with us ?

DRDO/OFB make stuff 'STRICTLY' as per requirements given by Defense Forces.

What about innovation ? why don't they made something of their own and present it to our forces ? (I hope you get the message)

in all probability this is going to be the way going forward for a long long time.

in other words, as long as there is no domestic gun culture for assault rifles same method will continue.
in countries where there is gun culture, the industry tries to satisfy it's customers i.e public, in our case there are really only two customers i.e defence and internal security.

 

[Johny_Baba]

in all probability this is going to be the way going forward for a long long time.

in other words, as long as there is no domestic gun culture for assault rifles same method will continue.
in countries where there is gun culture, the industry tries to satisfy it's customers i.e public, in our case there are really only two customers i.e defence and internal security.

I agree.

But i think the 'gun culture' is not going to happen any time soon in our nation.

why ?

in one word:AHIMSA

 

[ezsasa]

I agree.

But i think the 'gun culture' is not going to happen any time soon in our nation.

why ?

in one word:AHIMSA

not ahimsa per se... there are many areas within the country where guns are a culture punjab, Rajasthan, MP, UP , rayalaseema area in andhra, and some more places in north east.. even we had a gun culture in my family till about 20 years back, not worth the trouble anymore in andhra. No naxals, no robbers and no more wild animals to hunt.

the govt is not in a position to control full blown assault rifle gun culture since our independance, police being understaffed and all.

if we had gun culture, our situation will probably look like pakistan, mexico , columbia or brazil, none of them are exemplary. i'd rather not have that type of gun culture for now.

coming back to original topic.. when parrikar was there i had hopes that GSQR process would be streamlined resulting in faster development cycles, now i am not that hopeful because jaitley has bigger fish to fry in 2017 because of GST.

 

[Johny_Baba]

not ahimsa per se... there are many areas within the country where guns are a culture punjab, Rajasthan, MP, UP , rayalaseema area in andhra, and some more places in north east.. even we had a gun culture in my family till about 20 years back, not worth the trouble anymore in andhra. No naxals, no robbers and no more wild animals to hunt.

the govt is not in a position to control full blown assault rifle gun culture since our independance, police being understaffed and all.

if we had gun culture, our situation will probably look like pakistan, mexico , columbia or brazil, none of them are exemplary. i'd rather not have that type of gun culture for now.

coming back to original topic.. when parrikar was there i had hopes that GSQR process would be streamlined resulting in faster development cycles, now i am not that hopeful because jaitley has bigger fish to fry in 2017 because of GST.

I see.Maybe it was quite immature to say because of 'Ahimsa' we might not have gun culture.

Well,all i wanted to say is,having a gun culture similar to U.S. where they have firing ranges and people have fun at there with their firearms.

Anyway,In January,Parrikar gave a statement that about four months are given to OFB/DRDO to prove their worth otherwise they'll look somewhere else for acquiring next standard issue rifle,and It's almost april now.