The Syrian Crisis

[Armand2REP]

^^

I heard "Gaddafi" a couple of times.

You hear the syllable "gad" and you here Gaddafi? :shocked:

 

[SADAKHUSH]

If you ever thought rebel rockets were just toys, think again.


If you are anywhere near one landing, you will have a bad day

It is good start. I will post it in the funny thread.

 

[The Messiah]

 

[IBSA]

^^

Well, they are receiving in US Dollar. This fact tells us a lot about who is backing these mercenaries.

Actually, we know it there is a long-time, but it lacked the material proof.

However this blooded-money is only a small piece of real amount of dollar that mercenaries receives.

 

[Armand2REP]

^^

Well, they are receiving in US Dollar. This fact tells us a lot about who is backing these mercenaries.

Actually, we know it there is a long-time, but it lacked the material proof.

However this blooded-money is only a small piece of real amount of dollar that mercenaries receives.

Actually being paid in USD doesn't tell you anything about who is backing these soldiers. The universally accepted currency is always USD. Going without pay for 6 months hardly makes them mercenaries.

 

[pmaitra]

Syria: Bashar al-Assad agrees to ceasefire, but rebels advance in Aleppo

Syria's government and rebel leaders have agreed a ceasefire, but its chances of success were already put in doubt by a series of opposition victories in the northern city of Aleppo.

Source: Syria: Bashar al-Assad agrees to ceasefire, but rebels advance in Aleppo - Telegraph

 

[The Messiah]

Syria: Bashar al-Assad agrees to ceasefire, but rebels advance in Aleppo



Source: Syria: Bashar al-Assad agrees to ceasefire, but rebels advance in Aleppo - Telegraph

There is no negotiating with terrorists. Assad must kill each and every single one of them.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Was Syrian weapons shipment factor in ambassador's Benghazi visit? | Fox News

A mysterious Libyan ship -- reportedly carrying weapons and bound for Syrian rebels -- may have some link to the Sept. 11 terror attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Fox News has learned.

Through shipping records, Fox News has confirmed that the Libyan-flagged vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on Sept. 6, just five days before Ambassador Chris Stevens, information management officer Sean Smith and former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed during an extended assault by more than 100 Islamist militants.

On the night of Sept. 11, in what would become his last known public meeting, Stevens met with the Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and escorted him out of the consulate front gate one hour before the assault began at approximately 9:35 p.m. local time.

Although what was discussed at the meeting is not public, a source told Fox News that Stevens was in Benghazi to negotiate a weapons transfer, an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists. And although the negotiation said to have taken place may have had nothing to do with the attack on the consulate later that night or the Libyan mystery ship, it could explain why Stevens was travelling in such a volatile region on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

When asked to comment, a State Department spokeswoman dismissed the idea, saying Stevens was there for diplomatic meetings, and to attend the opening of a cultural center.

A congressional source also cautioned against drawing premature conclusions about the consulate attack and the movement of weapons from Libya to Syria via Turkey -- noting they may in fact be two separate and distinct events. But the source acknowledged the timing and the meeting between the Turkish diplomat and Stevens was "unusual."

According to an initial Sept. 14 report by the Times of London, Al Entisar was carrying 400 tons of cargo. Some of it was humanitarian, but also reportedly weapons, described by the report as the largest consignment of weapons headed for Syria's rebels on the frontlines.

"This is the Libyan ship ... which is basically carrying weapons that are found in Libya," said Walid Phares, a Fox News Middle East and terrorism analyst. "So the ship came all the way up to Iskenderun in Turkey. Now from the information that is available, there was aid material, but there were also weapons, a lot of weapons."

The cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.

The ship's Libyan captain told the Times of London that "I can only talk about the medicine and humanitarian aid" for the Syrian rebels. It was reported there was a fight about the weapons and who got what "between the free Syrian Army and the Muslim Brotherhood."

"The point is that both of these weapons systems are extremely accurate and very simple to use," Fox News military analyst Col. David Hunt explained. He said the passage of weapons from Libya to Syria would escalate the conflict. "With a short amount of instruction, you've got somebody capable of taking down any, any aircraft. Anywhere in the world."

The Foundation for Human Rights, and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (IHH) -- the group accused of moving the weapons -- disputed the claims and in published Turkish reports said it "will take legal action against this article which was written without concrete evidence. It is defamatory, includes false and unfair accusations and violates publishing ethics."

Information uncovered in a Fox News investigation raises questions about whether weapons used to arm the Libyan rebels are now surfacing in Syria.

In March 2011, the Reuters news service first reported that President Obama had authorized a "secret order ... (allowing) covert U.S. government support for rebel forces" to push the Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi from office.

At a hearing on March 31, before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, several lawmakers raised concerns about the finding reported by the Reuters news service and whether the Obama administration knew who constituted the rebel forces and whether Islamists were among their ranks.

"What assurances do we have that they will not pose a threat to the United States if they succeed in toppling Qaddafi?" Republican Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., asked. "There are reports that some opposition figures have links to Al Qaeda and extremist groups that have fought against our forces in Iraq."

While the source of the weapons used to attack the consulate is part of an ongoing investigation, former CIA Director Porter Goss told Fox News there was no question some of the weapons that flooded Libya during the uprising are making their way to Syria -- adding that the U.S. intelligence community must be aware, given their presence in Benghazi.

"Absolutely. I think there's no question that there's a lot of networking going on. And ... of course we know it."

A month after the October 2011 death of Qaddafi, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced in Tripoli that the U.S. was committing $40 million to help Libya "secure and recover its weapons stockpiles." Earlier this year, Assistant Secretary of State for Political and Military Affairs Andrew Shapiro expressed concerns that the situation on the ground was far from under control.

Speaking to the Stimson Center in Washington D.C., on Feb. 2, Shapiro said: "This raises the question -- how many are still missing? The frank answer is we don't know and probably never will."

 

[IBSA]

It didn't last even one day the cease-fire among Syrian Army and rebels due to Eid al Adha celebrations.

There was registered several violations of agreement by both parts today.

I'm against cease-fire against terrorists. Go, Assad go! Eid al Adha is a sacrificial party. Nothing is most appropriate than to sacrifice some rebels and distribute their bodies' meat for flies and vultures as charity.

 

[pmaitra]

^^

Ceasefires are usually used to vacate the wounded, restock with food and supplies, and regroup - only to fight another day.

Eid is just an excuse.

 

[LurkerBaba]

Iraqi militants pour into Syria, turning civil war into sectarian war

Militant Sunnis from Iraq have been going to Syria to fight against President Bashar Assad for months. Now Iraqi Shiites are joining the battle in increasing numbers, but on the government's side, transplanting Iraq's explosive sectarian conflict to a civil war that is increasingly fueled by religious rivalry.

Iraqi militants pour into Syria, turning civil war into sectarian war | StarTribune.com

 

[SajeevJino]

U.S. not supplying Stinger missiles to Syrian rebels: Pentagon​

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said on Wednesday he had no knowledge of the United States supplying Stinger missiles to Syrian rebel forces, after Moscow said the rebels had acquired the U.S.-made surface-to-air missiles.


Asked about reports that the rebels had such weapons, Panetta declined comment, saying: "I don't know what the reports are - and I certainly don't know of us providing any such missiles in that area."

Russia's top military officer, general staff chief Nikolai Makarov, said Russia's military had learned that rebel forces "have portable missile launchers of various states, including American-made Stingers.

"Who supplied them must still be determined," Interfax news agency quoted him as saying.

A U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters the United States was unable to confirm that the rebels had acquired U.S. Stingers.

Stinger missiles would help bring down warplanes and helicopters which have bombed residential areas where rebels are hiding. But in contrast to the Libya crisis last year, the West has shown little appetite to arm the Syrian rebels, worried that weapons would fall into the hands of Islamic militants.

More than 32,000 people have been killed in the conflict, which began with peaceful pro-democracy protests in March 2011 before descending into civil war as repression increased.

The question of whether to arm the rebels has become an issue in the U.S. presidential election, with Republican candidate Mitt Romney accusing President Barack Obama of failing to show leadership.

In their debate on Monday, Romney said the United States should work with partners to organize the Syrian opposition and "make sure they have the arms necessary to defend themselves."

Obama said Romney was wrong to suggest that giving rebels heavy weapons "is a simple proposition that would lead us to be safer over the long term."

Opposition activist footage has shown rebels carrying surface-to-air missiles made by the former Soviet Union, but footage of Stingers has yet to appear.

Russia, which has supported Assad through the conflict, sold his government $1 billion worth of weapons last year and has made clear it would oppose an arms embargo in the U.N. Security Council.


U.S. not supplying Stinger missiles to Syrian rebels: Pentagon | Reuters


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Then... Please What is this...? Is rebel have own Missile Ordnance Factory

[video=youtube_share;6dsScx-RvvI]http://youtu.be/6dsScx-RvvI[/video]

 

[SajeevJino]

Double post..Please delete it

 

[W.G.Ewald]

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said on Wednesday he had no knowledge of the United States supplying Stinger missiles to Syrian rebel forces, after Moscow said the rebels had acquired the U.S.-made surface-to-air missiles.

Would you believe anything this creature says?

He looks like Deputy Dawg.

 

[SADAKHUSH]

It is slow motion towards all out sectarian violence which will lead to downfall of few Kingdoms as they are known and destruction of infrastructure on massive scale when the dust settles Arabs would have achieved nothing as they have done for two thousand of their history. What a bunch of nut cases in spite of being blessed with natural resources they have nothing to show for. Only, if they could follow in to foot steps of countries like Sweden, Japan, South Korea, Denmark and Germany whose economy is dependent upon export and they do an excellent work to maintain the living standard of the highest ranking. I forgot to add Singapore and Switzerland to the list.

 

[pmaitra]

U.S. not supplying Stinger missiles to Syrian rebels: Pentagon​

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said on Wednesday he had no knowledge of the United States supplying Stinger missiles to Syrian rebel forces, after Moscow said the rebels had acquired the U.S.-made surface-to-air missiles.


Asked about reports that the rebels had such weapons, Panetta declined comment, saying: "I don't know what the reports are - and I certainly don't know of us providing any such missiles in that area."

Russia's top military officer, general staff chief Nikolai Makarov, said Russia's military had learned that rebel forces "have portable missile launchers of various states, including American-made Stingers.

"Who supplied them must still be determined," Interfax news agency quoted him as saying.

A U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters the United States was unable to confirm that the rebels had acquired U.S. Stingers.

Stinger missiles would help bring down warplanes and helicopters which have bombed residential areas where rebels are hiding. But in contrast to the Libya crisis last year, the West has shown little appetite to arm the Syrian rebels, worried that weapons would fall into the hands of Islamic militants.

More than 32,000 people have been killed in the conflict, which began with peaceful pro-democracy protests in March 2011 before descending into civil war as repression increased.

The question of whether to arm the rebels has become an issue in the U.S. presidential election, with Republican candidate Mitt Romney accusing President Barack Obama of failing to show leadership.

In their debate on Monday, Romney said the United States should work with partners to organize the Syrian opposition and "make sure they have the arms necessary to defend themselves."

Obama said Romney was wrong to suggest that giving rebels heavy weapons "is a simple proposition that would lead us to be safer over the long term."

Opposition activist footage has shown rebels carrying surface-to-air missiles made by the former Soviet Union, but footage of Stingers has yet to appear.

Russia, which has supported Assad through the conflict, sold his government $1 billion worth of weapons last year and has made clear it would oppose an arms embargo in the U.N. Security Council.


U.S. not supplying Stinger missiles to Syrian rebels: Pentagon | Reuters


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Then... Please What is this...? Is rebel have own Missile Ordnance Factory

[video=youtube_share;6dsScx-RvvI]http://youtu.be/6dsScx-RvvI[/video]

I think that is Metis:

 

[Armand2REP]

Then... Please What is this...? Is rebel have own Missile Ordnance Factory

Have you ever considered they come from Assad's own stockpiles? Rebels overrun Syrian Army positions daily capturing supplies and weapons. There has been a push to attack air defence posts storing large calibre guns and Igla MANPADs of which they have been quite successful in taking. With a large portion of the Syrian Army defecting or aiding rebels, they easily sneak them out or sell it. Why does it have to be some foreign conspiracy? CIA is on the ground in Turkey trying to stop them from getting such weapons so it isn't from them. Did you ever see a Stinger missile there? All of them are Iglas.

 

[pmaitra]

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@Armand2REP, I don't think that was an Igla. It was most probably a Metis, and not something that the rebels took from Assad's stockpiles, but something that was probably purchased by the West, and then shipped to the rebels.

Edit: Syria does operate the Metis, so could be from Assad's stockpile.

 

[Armand2REP]

@pmaitra, of course that wasn't an Igla. I was referring to the story of Stingers and other missiles showing up in Syria.

 

[pmaitra]

Jordan's jihadists drawn to Syria conflict

In less than a month, the largest Palestinian refugee camp in Jordan, Baqaa, has witnessed two funerals for jihadists killed in Syria.

They were among dozens who flocked into Syria to fight against Bashar al-Assad's regime.

Since the Syrian armed uprising began - after months of peaceful protest - jihadists aiming to establish an Islamic state by violent means started to show their presence in the country.

The jihadists are largely travelling to Syria from neighbouring countries, including Jordan.

Last February, al-Qaeda's leader Ayman al-Zawahiri called on militants in Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey to rise up and support what he called "their brothers in Syria".

Source: BBC News - Jordan's jihadists drawn to Syria conflict

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