The Syrian Crisis

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The "Arab Spring" is a creation of western news media, especially in the US, where the goal was adulation of Obama. That is what I believe.

Arab spring did not happen any where except in Tunesia everything else was funded and aided. Obama got re-elected and ya he is a liar but he is better than the liars on the Republican side. Republicans are war mongers however i agree with their economic policy of low tax.
 

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Doubt if US or Obama had that much to do with the Arab Spring, neither the US or Obama are God, they are not responsible for everything that happens. These revolutions started on their own, US, UN, NATO, Gulf States, gave a little push once in a while to get the killing over. Islamist are going to move in now because Nature abors a vacum" and the Islamic Institution are the only thing there. Hopefully the Islamic goverment evolve because as Pakistan and other Arab countries prove they dont work. But thats just a hope not any thng for sure.
 

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Arab spring did not happen any where except in Tunesia everything else was funded and aided. Obama got re-elected and ya he is a liar but he is better than the liars on the Republican side. Republicans are war mongers however i agree with their economic policy of low tax.
There are a number of euopean countries where the taxs are twice that of the USA and unemployment is only half as much as the USA.
 

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Doubt if US or Obama had that much to do with the Arab Spring, neither the US or Obama are God, they are not responsible for everything that happens. These revolutions started on their own, US, UN, NATO, Gulf States, gave a little push once in a while to get the killing over. Islamist are going to move in now because Nature abors a vacum" and the Islamic Institution are the only thing there. Hopefully the Islamic goverment evolve because as Pakistan and other Arab countries prove they dont work. But thats just a hope not any thng for sure.
I agree for most part but all the articles i have been reading on the net suggest a different story where parties like Muslim brotherhood are pushing social integration to the middle ages. This is eventually going to come around to bit others, however these massive global events could never be predicted or stoped but i am remain pessimistic because of what muslims believe is the right way.
 

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Diary: A Murdoch whose beliefs could help save the BBC - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Peerless pursuit for Saddam's WMDs

Though the conflict in Syria is a gruesome humanitarian disaster, not every suggestion for resolving need be taken too seriously. Nothing that Lord James of Blackheath, an eccentric Tory peer and former boardroom troubleshooter, need be taken all that seriously either.

Having read that Syria claims to hold weapons of mass destruction that some think they may have got from Saddam Hussein, Lord James wanted to know if the UN resolution banning Saddam's weapons applied to wherever the weapons happened to be. His thinking seemed to be that having fought one war in a failed attempt to find Saddam's elusive WMDs, the West could fight another, in Syria, to see if they will turn up there.

Baroness Warsi, replying for the Government, said no, the UN resolution on Iraq's WMDs did not apply anywhere but Iraq. Lord James is 74.
 

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Either way i think its a bad idea the west encouraged arab spring, its going to be a ship wreck. As long as the dictators where there they knew the "dos and don'ts" of war and religion, they kept Islamic fanatics in check and since they had already fought Israel they knew not to do it again. Now all the lessons are lost and its all young ideological thugs getting into politics. Who will either learn it the hard way or never learn like pakistan.

So do you think the arab spring and democracy is going to turn Arabs into Pakistan?
Every people should have the right of self determination. If they are stupid enough to attack the US backed Israelis then they will just have to re-learn the hard lessons of their fathers. The old regime and what they learned was going to be lost as they died off anyway. I think many of them will revert to dictatorship or end as failed states like Pakistan. It is better that they stay busy fighting themselves as it leaves less "free time" to fight Jihad against the West. I think a couple nations will arise from the Arab Spring as stable and responsible democracies and it will take more cycles for the rest to follow suit. One step at a time...
 

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There are a number of euopean countries where the taxs are twice that of the USA and unemployment is only half as much as the USA.
This is just my opinion and i am not sure of this but i think their system is more efficient in dispensing the collected money compared to that of a larger system like US which has many leaks and dams. Particularly in India where the whole pipeing is leaking the money before it reaches out to the other end, so might as well leave most of the money with the business for them to grow and build schools and hospital by their own.
 

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Every people should have the right of self determination. If they are stupid enough to attack the US backed Israelis then they will just have to re-learn the hard lessons of their fathers. The old regime and what they learned was going to be lost as they died off anyway. I think many of them will revert to dictatorship or end as failed states like Pakistan. It is better that they stay busy fighting themselves as it leaves less "free time" to fight Jihad against the West. I think a couple nations will arise from the Arab Spring as stable and responsible democracies and it will take more cycles for the rest to follow suit. One step at a time...
I agree with most part here, this ideas sound more intune with Indian thought so i am wondering these days if your an Indian after all. lol.

However the myth that everyone has the right to self-determination is fancifulness and not true, i can never want a world the way i would like it. Neither do i ever get to see the leaders i voted for come to power which they will never do. In 2004 Al-Gore won the election in numbers but lost it because of electoral collage where is the self-determination of the majority there? None..Its all fancy at the end of the day we are happy if we get a car and a home. Thats ok to i dont argue against that.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/opinion/friedman-obamas-nightmare.html?hp&_r=0

...Virtually every American president since Dwight Eisenhower has had a Middle Eastern country that brought him grief. For Ike, it was Lebanon's civil war and Israel's Sinai invasion. For Lyndon Johnson, it was the 1967 Six-Day War. For Nixon, it was the 1973 war. For Carter, it was the Iranian Revolution. For Ronald Reagan, it was Lebanon. For George H.W. Bush, it was Iraq. For Bill Clinton, it was Al Qaeda and Afghanistan. For George W. Bush, it was Iraq and Afghanistan. For Barack Obama's first term, it was Iran and Afghanistan, again. And for Obama's second term, I fear that it could be the full nightmare — all of them at once. The whole Middle East erupts in one giant sound and light show of civil wars, states collapsing and refugee dislocations, as the keystone of the entire region — Syria — gets pulled asunder and the disorder spills across the neighborhood. .. Ever since the start of the Syrian uprising/civil war, I've cautioned that while Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain and Tunisia implode, Syria would explode if a political resolution was not found quickly. That is exactly what's happening.

The reason Syria explodes is because its borders are particularly artificial, and all its communities — Sunnis, Shiites, Alawites, Kurds, Druze and Christians — are linked to brethren in nearby countries and are trying to draw them in for help. Also, Sunni-led Saudi Arabia is fighting a proxy war against Shiite-led Iran in Syria and in Bahrain, which is the base of the United States Navy's Fifth Fleet. Bahrain witnessed a host of bombings last week as the Sunni-led Bahraini regime stripped 31 Bahraini Shiite political activists of their citizenship. Meanwhile, someone in Syria decided to start lobbing mortars at Israel. And, Tuesday night, violent anti-government protests broke out across Jordan over gas price increases.

What to do? I continue to believe that the best way to understand the real options — and they are grim — is by studying Iraq, which, like Syria, is made up largely of Sunnis, Shiites, Christians and Kurds. Why didn't Iraq explode outward like Syria after Saddam was removed? The answer: America.

For better and for worse, the United States in Iraq performed the geopolitical equivalent of falling on a grenade — that we triggered ourselves. That is, we pulled the pin; we pulled out Saddam; we set off a huge explosion in the form of a Shiite-Sunni contest for power. Thousands of Iraqis were killed along with more than 4,700 American troops, but the presence of those U.S. troops in and along Iraq's borders prevented the violence from spreading. Our invasion both triggered the civil war in Iraq and contained it at the same time. After that Sunni-Shiite civil war burned itself out, we brokered a fragile, imperfect power-sharing deal between Iraqi Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds. Then we got out. It is not at all clear that their deal will survive our departure.

Still, the lesson is that if you're trying to topple one of these iron-fisted, multisectarian regimes, it really helps to have an outside power that can contain the explosions and mediate a new order. There is too little trust in these societies for them to do it on their own. Syria's civil war, though, was triggered by predominantly Sunni rebels trying to oust President Bashar al-Assad and his minority Alawite-Shiite regime. There is no outside power willing to fall on the Syrian grenade and midwife a new order. So the fire there rages uncontrolled; refugees are now spilling out, and the Shiite-Sunni venom unleashed by the Syrian conflict is straining relations between these same communities in Iraq, Bahrain, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait.

But Iraq teaches another lesson: Shiites and Sunnis are not fated to murder each other 24/7/365. Yes, their civil war dates to the 7th century. And, yes, when they started going after each other in Iraq, they did so with breathtaking chainsaw-nails-pounded-into-heads violence. There is nothing like a fight within the faith. Yet, once order was restored, Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis, many of whom have intermarried, were willing to work together and even run together in multisectarian parties in the 2009-10 elections.

So the situation is not hopeless. I know American officials are tantalized by the idea of flipping Syria from the Iranian to the Western camp by toppling Assad. That would make my day, too, but I'm skeptical it would end the conflict. I fear that toppling Assad, without a neutral third party inside Syria to referee a transition, could lead not only to permanent civil war in Syria but one that spreads around the region. It's a real long shot, but we should keep trying to work with Russia — Syria's lawyer — to see if together we can broker a power-sharing deal inside Syria and a United Nations-led multinational force to oversee it. Otherwise, this fire will rage on and spread, as the acid from the Shiite-Sunni conflict eats away at the bonds holding the Middle East together and standing between this region and chaos.
Thomas Friedman usually knows what he talks about on the Middle East.
 
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South Korea seizes suspect missile cargo for Syria - World - NZ Herald News
9:03 AM Thursday Nov 15, 2012
South Korea has reported the seizure of cargo from a Chinese freighter that can be used to produce ballistic missiles and was reportedly made in North Korea and destined for Syria, U.N. diplomats said today.

The diplomats said seizure of the 445 graphite cylinders from the Shanghai-registered Xin Yan Tai in May at the South Korean port of Busan was reported to the U.N. Security Council committee monitoring sanctions against North Korea because it could be a violation of sanctions against the reclusive, nuclear-armed Asian nation.
 

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Interesting that few km's the other side israel is invading palestine and wahabis are fighting against syria

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Syrian Rebels Capture last Eastern Airbase

 
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Israel and Syria exchange fire in Golan

Published: 18 November, 2012, 04:36



Israeli Merkava tanks take position in the Israeli-annexed
Golan Heights overlooking the Syrian village of Breqa
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Israel artillery has fired back at Syria after gunfire hit an Israeli military vehicle in the Golan Heights. The incident comes amid high tensions in the region as Israel is waging an offensive against Gaza while civil war continues in Syria.

No one was injured in the exchange of fire on Sunday, the Israeli military said. This has been the latest spillover of violence from Syria, where rebel fighters are trying to topple the regime of Bashar Assad.

"Shots were fired at IDF (Israeli army) soldiers"¦in the central Golan Heights," an army spokeswoman told AFP."Soldiers responded with artillery fire towards the source of the shooting."

The Israeli military however did not know if they were attacked by Syrian rebels or forces of the Syrian government.

Last Monday, IDF tanks fired on two Syrian mortar shell batteries in response to an errant mortar shell that landed near an Israeli outpost in Hazeka. A similar cross-border incident happened a day earlier.

The government of Israel has stated that it does not believe Syria is intentionally targeting Israeli territory, but held Damascus responsible for any attacks originating from its side of the border.
 

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Rebels Defeat Assad's Feared 46th Regiment in Battle for Aleppo

 
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Saw this in today's newspaper, and expected to see chemical munitions as part of the haul, but no mention of that.
 

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Saw this in today's newspaper, and expected to see chemical munitions as part of the haul, but no mention of that.
Expecting chemical weapons at a regimental base is a bit much. Those are usually stored along with launch systems. However the defeat of such a large unit is spelling the end of the battle for Aleppo. Assad's forces are largely surrounded.
 

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Free Syrian Army Now Fighting the Kurds

If you believe the media, then Syria is in the throes of an "uprising" by freedom fighters against a dictator. If you believe reality, then Syria is in the middle of a civil war between Sunni Islamist rebels and a neo-Shiite government, with Turkey and Qatar backing the Islamists and Iran backing the regime.
The Sunni Islamists aka the Brave Syrian People aka the Terrorists Obama is Backing are either allied with or actually linked to Al Qaeda. They are murdering Christians and now the Free Syrian Army, which we're supposed to be supporting, has picked a fight with the Kurds.
Source: Free Syrian Army Now Fighting the Kurds

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Funny article!
 

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