The Syrian Crisis

pankaj nema

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Any interventon in Syria will lead to a lot of blood shed

Plus hezbollah and Syrian rockets will come down on Israel

I believe West FIRST wants Iran to be sorted out

Syria will suffer due to this civil war and economic collapse
Plus you also need a substantial part of Syrian establishment to rebel as it happened with
Gaddafi before air strikes can begin
 

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Does anybody know which Syrian 'anti-air' missiles were used to down the F4, and what sort of defences the F4 had against such missiles?
Russian Buk-M2 anti-air missile ..... :scared2::scared2:
 
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May be its true but who want to put their hand in this deep s@@t and NATO I don't think they are in a position to go for an other war.
 
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Turkey vows action against Syria for downing jet - The Times of India

Turkey vows action against Syria for downing jet

ANKARA: Turkey will take retaliatory steps against Syria for the downing of a Turkish military jet, President Abdullah Gul said Saturday, even as he suggested that the aircraft may have unintentionally violated Syrian airspace.

It was not clear if Gul was suggesting military retaliation, increased sanctions against Syria or other possible steps, including demands for an apology, and his aide would not comment on his words. But Faruk Celik, Turkey's Labor and Social Security Minister, said Turkey would retaliate ``either in the diplomatic field or give other types of response.''
``Even if we assume that there was a violation of Syria's airspace _ though the situation is still not clear _ the Syrian response cannot be to bring down the plane,'' Celik told reporters.

``The incident is unacceptable,'' he said. ``Turkey cannot endure it in silence.''

Syria said Friday its forces had shot down a Turkish military plane that entered its air space. The plane, an unarmed F-4, went down in the Mediterranean Sea about 8 miles (13 kilometers) from the Syrian town of Latakia, Turkey said.

The incident further escalated tensions between Syria and NATO-member Turkey. The two neighbors used to be allies before the Syrian revolt began in March 2011, but Turkey has become one of the strongest critics of the Syrian regime's brutal response to the country's uprising and is playing host to civilian and military Syrian opposition groups.

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuoglu chaired a meeting Saturday with military officials during which they discussed possible steps and a search and rescue mission for the two missing pilots, the Foreign Ministry said.

Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc insisted the plane was not a fighter jet but a reconnaissance plane and said Turkey was awaiting an explanation from Syria.

The president said Turkey was still trying to establish the exact circumstances of the incident, but said it was ``routine'' for jets flying in high-speeds to violate other countries' air spaces for short periods of time.

``These incidents are routine,'' Gul said. ``They are incidents that are not ill-intentioned and happen because of the speeds (of the jets).''

``Was that the case, or did (the incident) occur in our own air space, these facts will emerge,'' he said. ``No one should have any doubt that whatever (action) is necessary will be taken.''

Gul did not elaborate. But Turkey said after an April border shooting incident _ in which two people inside a Turkish refugee camp died_ that it would call on its NATO allies to intervene should it feel its security was being threatened.

Syrian coast guards joined Turkish coast guards in their search for the jet's two missing crew members for a second day Saturday, Arinc, the deputy prime minister said. Gul said earlier that some pieces of the wreckage had been found.

Late Friday, Syria's state-run news agency, SANA, said the military had spotted an ``unidentified aerial target'' flying at low altitude and high speed.

``The Syrian anti-air defenses counteracted with anti-aircraft artillery, hitting it directly,'' SANA said. ``The target turned out to be a Turkish military plane that entered Syrian airspace and was dealt with according to laws observed in such cases.''

Syria claimed the jet violated its air space over territorial waters, penetrating about 1 kilometer (0.62 mile). It said Syrian forces only realized that it was a Turkish jet after firing.

On Saturday, top-selling the banner headline of Turkish newspaper Hurriyet accused Syria of ``Playing with Fire,'' while Vatan newspaper said Syria would ``pay the price'' for the attack.

Arinc and other government ministers however, urged restraint.

``We must remain calm and collected,'' he said. ``We must not give premium to any provocative speeches and acts.''

The leader of Turkey's main opposition party, Kemal Kilicdaroglu, said the downing of the plane was unacceptable but also urged calm.

``All diplomatic channels must be kept open. We are expecting a coolheaded assessment of the incident,'' he added.
 

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Syria shoots down Turkish Jet, Turkey would take "necessary actions"

Syria shoots down Turkish Jet , Turkey would take "necessary actions"

ANKARA, Turkey : Syria said Saturday that it shot down a Turkish military jet because the aircraft had violated its airspace, but Turkey threatened retaliatory action as it searched for its two missing pilots.

Both sides signaled they do not want to escalate an incident that has the potential to explode into a regional conflict, but the downing of the Turkish reconnaissance plane on Friday was a dramatic sign that the violence gripping Syria increasingly is spreading outside its borders.Tensions already were high between Syria and NATO-member Turkey. The neighbors used to be allies before the Syrian revolt began in March 2011, but Turkey has become one of the strongest critics of the Syrian regime's brutal response to the country's uprising and is playing host to civilian and military Syrian opposition groups.

Germany and Iraq urged Turkey and Syria to remain calm and not let the unrest in Syria become a wider conflict in the area.In a telephone interview with Turkish TV news channel A Haber on Saturday, Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi said the downing of Turkey's F-4 plane was an "accident, not an attack."

"An unidentified object entered our air space and unfortunately as a result it was brought down. It was understood only later that it was a Turkish plane," A Haber quoted Makdissi as saying in a translation of the interview. "There was no hostile act against Turkey whatsoever. It was just an act of defense for our sovereignty." The plane went down in the Mediterranean Sea near Syria, and its two Turkish pilots remain missing. "What is important now is that Turkey and Syria are working together to find the pilots," Makdissi said.

Turkish President Abdullah Gul and other officials said Saturday that their government is trying to assess the exact circumstances of the incident and would take unspecified retaliatory steps accordingly. Gul conceded that Turkish aircraft may have unintentionally violated Syrian airspace.It was not clear if Turkey was contemplating military retaliation, increased sanctions, or other possible steps, including demands for compensation or an apology. But Faruk Celik, the Turkish Labor and Social Security Minister, said his nation would retaliate "either in the diplomatic field or give other types of response."

"Even if we assume that there was a violation of Syria's airspace — though the situation is still not clear — the Syrian response cannot be to bring down the plane," Celik told reporters. "The incident is unacceptable. Turkey cannot endure it in silence."

Turkey has joined nations such as the United States in saying that Syrian President Bashar Assad should step down because of the uprising in his country that has killed thousands of people. Turkey also has set up refugee camps on its border for more than 32,000 Syrians who have fled the fighting.
 

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re: Syria shoots down Turkish Jet, Turkey would take "necessary actions"

Now Turkey has been needling Syria for quite many months by smuggling weapons into Syria and arming 'peaceful protesters' and 'civilians' in Syria. Syria should have launched a pre-emptive attack already, and would probably have done so if Turkey were not part of NATO. Now that they have shot down a Turkish jet, it probably means Syria has the blessings of Russia.

What necessary action will Turkey take now? I wish Russia throws its weight behind Syria, and all we will see is whimpering from Turkey, so its 'necessary action!'
 

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Just came across a blog Al Jazeera reports that Al Assad would resign and exile in Russia to give way to a new election.

Is it true or another psyops?
 

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Russian Buk-M2 anti-air missile ..... :scared2::scared2:
Per Newly-supplied Russian Pantsyr-1 anti-air missile used to down Turkish warplane

Turkish Air Force F-4 Super Phantom Friday, June 22, over Latakia Syria used Russian-made self-propelled medium range anti-air Pantsyr-1 missiles recently supplied by Moscow (not as first reported anti-air Buk-M2 missiles). This weapon can down aircraft flying at altitudes up to 12 kilometers and cruise missiles. The unit responsible for the ambush was the 73rd brigade of the Syrian army's 26th Air Defense Division.
 

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Important quotes from this article:

Since the sophisticated weapons were delivered to the Assad regime in recent weeks, it must be assumed that local missile crews had not finished training in their use and would have had to rely on help from their Russian instructors to fire one.
This would be the first instance in the 15-month Syrian uprising of an advanced Russian-supplied weapon hitting the military target of a NATO member. Hence the comment from Washington by US State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland who said: "We've seen the reports"¦ We have obviously been in contact with our Turkish ally"¦. To my knowledge, they haven't raised this at NATO at this point."
Hmm, looks like NATO is not particularly desperate to escalate.

President Abdullah Gul spoke out more strongly: "It is impossible to ignore our fighter jet being shot down by Syria," he said after Damascus admitted to shooting down the plane, claiming its air defenses acted according to standard procedure before realizing it was a Turkish air force jet. Both are searching for the two missing pilots.
Well, Mr. Gul, how about you instruct your pilots from staying away from Syrian borders? Syria isn't threatening to invade Turkey, or is it?
 

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Listen to this report. Abdullah Gul, Turkish Prime Minister, says that it is routine for fighter jets to cross national borders. Now, if this is routine, given Russia and NATO could get involved anytime, it's time Turkey got a wrap on its knuckles for acting a bit too tomboyish, methinks. Mr. Abdullah Gul needs to monitor his utterances, if he is not to give out the impression that he is a moron.
 
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Joseph Kechichian speaks on Syria's shooting down of Turkish warplane

 
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Saar it'd Abdullah Gul, not that terrorist Gen Hamid Gul of Pakistan
 

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Turkey brings in NATO. And NATO are only willing to oblige

After plane shot, Turkey calls NATO meeting on Syria - Indian Express

NATO ambassadors will meet this week to discuss whether and how to respond to Syria's downing of a Turkish jet in what Turkey insists was international airspace. The incident has spiked regional tensions caused by the conflict in Syria, where reports Sunday said nearly 40 people died in new clashes between rebels and troops.

The jet's wreckage was found in the Mediterranean at a depth of 4,265 feet, Turkish state media reported Sunday. The two pilots remain unaccounted for.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said the jet was on a training flight to test Turkey's radar capabilities, not spying on Syria. He said the plane mistakenly strayed into Syrian airspace Friday, but was quickly warned to leave by Turkish authorities and was a mile inside international airspace when it was shot down off the coast of Latakia.

Syria insisted Saturday that the shooting was "not an attack'' and that the aircraft had violated its airspace. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was expected to make a statement Tuesday and might announce some retaliatory steps.

At Turkey's request, NATO's governing body will meet Tuesday to discuss the incident, said Oana Lungescu, a NATO spokeswoman. The consultations were called under article 4 of NATO's founding Washington Treaty. "Under article 4, any ally can request consultations whenever, in the opinion of any of them, their territorial integrity, political independence or security is threatened,'' Lungescu said.
 

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