The Rise of India’s Private Space Sector

[Tvashtr8202]

Skyroot Aerospace -

Presenting you a snippet of our Raman-I engine test which captures varying pulses from 10 seconds to 60 milli-seconds.

More details about the Raman-1 engine and the qualification test below(1/9)
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As Vikram-I launches to space, aerodynamic disturbances and thrust misalignments can make the vehicle roll about its axis, needing a responsive roll-control system.
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It is provided by four Raman-I engines through precise pulses, commanded by the autopilot algorithm of our mission computer.
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‘Raman’ is a series of engines/thrusters using earth storable hypergolic propellants for upper stage engine and attitude/reaction control in Vikram-1.
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We demonstrated engine technology with hypergolics 3yrs ago on 30th July 2020 and based on it designed Raman-1 for roll control and Raman-2 as a single higher thrust regeneratively cooled upper stage engine for Vikram-1.
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Propulsion for roll control requires rapid response and needs to be versatile, supplying adequate thrust from atmospheric pressure to the deep vacuum and with widely varying inertia.
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Towards this, the Raman-I engine test has completed endurance with nominal and off-nominal chamber pressures, mixture ratios and pulse widths.
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Raman-1 qualification test:
Propellants used: MMH/N2O4 (Hypergolic)
Peak Vacuum Thrust: 890N
Total Pulses/Restarts: 280
Minimum pulse width: 1/17th a second
Cumulative burn time: 104s
Total test duration: 352s
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Raman-1 Construction:
Thrust Chamber body & Injector: 3D printed
Throat: Metal Matrix Composite
Chamber Thermal Protection: High temperature composite
Injection Valves: Ultra-fast response
Nozzle: Scarfed (to tangentially flush to vehicle diameter from inside)

 

[Tvashtr8202]

Why did the colour of the flame change from red to green by the end of the experiment.

 

[Chinmoy]

Why did the colour of the flame change from red to green by the end of the experiment.

Because of lack of oxygen during the end phase, the inner copper lining got burnt. This green flame is result of that copper lining burn.

 

[karn]

 

[Vamsi]

Indian company MTAR which manufactured components of our liquid engines like Vikas,CE-7.5,CE-20, is now planning to develop 500KG to LEO payload capable LV called Garuda-1, they are planning to develop indigenous 100ton thrust & 10ton thrust Keralox engines

https://imgur.io/jx8aG5i?r

Source: r/ISRO & MTAR annual report

@Indx TechStyle @FalconSlayers @Tactical Doge @TopWatcher @Gessler and others

 

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ISRO Transfers IMS-1 Satellite Bus Technology to a Private IndustryHome /ISRO Transfers IMS-1 Satellite Bus Technology to a Private Industry

As yet another step in enhancing the private industry participation in the Indian Space sector, ISRO transferred the IMS-1 Satellite Bus Technology to M/S Alpha Design Technologies Pvt. Ltd. (ADTL). NewSpace India Limited (NSIL), the commercial arm of ISRO, facilitated the technology transfer through an agreement signed during an event held at the NSIL headquarters on August 2, 2023. The Technology Transfer Documents were formally handed over by Shri. D Radhakrishnan, Chairman and Managing Director of NSIL to Col. H. S. Shankar (Retd.) VSM, Chairman and Managing Director of ADTL. ADTL is one of the two private players identified to receive the transfer of this technology through Interest Exploratory Note (IEN) published by NSIL.
This transfer marks the beginning of satellite-bus technologies developed by ISRO being transferred to private industries. Further, the PSLV is under productionisation by a consortium of industries. ISRO has been enabling private players develop Space technologies by facilitating and extending the expertise thus ensuring both the out-bound and in-bound approaches.

The IMS-1 satellite bus, developed by the U R Rao Satellite Centre (URSC/ ISRO), is a versatile and efficient small satellite platform designed to facilitate low-cost access to space. The bus serves as a dedicated vehicle for various payloads, enabling Earth imaging, ocean and atmospheric studies, microwave remote sensing, and space science missions while ensuring a quick turnaround time for satellite launches.

IMS-1 bus, weighing about 100 kg, accommodates a 30 kg payload. Solar arrays generate 330 W power with a raw bus voltage of 30-42 V. It offers a 3-axis stabilized with four reaction wheels with a 1 N thruster that provides +/- 0.1 degree pointing accuracy. It is a forerunner for IMS-2 bus technology, capable of improved features. IMS-1 bus is utilised in previous ISRO missions like IMS-1, Youthsat and Microsat-2D.

By transferring the IMS-1 technology to the private sector, ISRO/DoS aims to bolster India's industrial growth in the space sector and foster technological self-reliance. The development opens up new avenues for private players to contribute to space research and exploration, in line with India's vision to expand its presence in the global space market.

NSIL is a wholly owned Government of India company, under the administrative control of the Department of Space (DOS). NSIL enables Indian industries to take up high-technology space-related activities and promotes commercial exploitation of the products and services emanating from the Indian space programme. Technologies ready for transfer by NSIL and the application details are at: here

Alpha Design Technologies Pvt. Ltd. (ADTL) is a leading aerospace and defense company based in India. With expertise in engineering, manufacturing, and system integration, ADTL has been a key player in various projects related to defense, space, and homeland security, contributing significantly to India's technological progress in these domains. here

 

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IN-SPACe, ISRO to meet 20 cos that make small rockets
ISRO recently announced to transfer the technology for making the small rocket or Small Satellite Launch Vehicle (SSLV) to private companies.

IN-SPACe, ISRO to meet 20 cos that make small rockets

Chennai Officials of the Indian National Space Promotion and Authorisation Centre (IN-SPACe) and the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) will meet representatives of about 20 companies interested in making a small rocket on August 8, a top official confirmed.

IN-SPACe is the regulator for private players in the Indian space sector and ISRO is the Indian space agency.

Recently it had had announced the ISRO’s decision to transfer the technology for making the small rocket or Small Satellite Launch Vehicle (SSLV) to private companies.

“Twenty companies have applied. Consortium formation will be known only when they submit the EOI (Expression of Interest),” IN-SPACe chairman Pawan Goenka said.

“We are having a pre-EOI meeting on 8th (August) where ISRO and IN-SPACe teams will interact with all the applicants and based on the interaction we may fine tune the EOI,” Goenka added. As per the conditions put out earlier, the interested private players or the leader of the consortium should have a minimum turnover of Rs 400 crore and be profitable.

The respondents should be in operation for a period not less than seven years and have at least five years manufacturing experience, thus excluding new age rocket startups if interested to bid alone.

The Intellectual Property Rights of the SSLV configuration considered for transfer of technology shall continue to be owned by ISRO.

However non-exclusive and non-transferable license of the rocket technology will be given to the selected party. The SSLV designed and developed by ISRO has a payload capacity of 500 kg and is powered by solid fuel. As per IN-SPACe, the technology to make SSLV will be transferred only to Indian private industries.

To the question how IN-SPACe is getting involved in the transfer of technology as the technology is owned by ISRO which already has a commercial arm by name NewSpace India Ltd (NSIL) a senior official of ISRO told IANS: "The contract will be with NSIL. INSPACe is facilitating the deal as per their mandate."

The Indian space agency has flown the rocket twice with satellites.

 

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The stars have finally aligned for India’s satellite launch industry
After a domestic regulatory overhaul, India’s in good stead to become a favoured low-cost destination for satellite launches.

In mid-July, Australian Police warned curious locals to steer clear of the mysterious copper-hued cylinder that had washed up on a sandy beach north of Perth. A chemical analysis by the local fire department soon concluded that the ominous object didn’t pose a risk to the local community, but it took another week and a half of fevered speculation before its true origins became known. It came from outer space, the Australian Space Agency definitely did not intone in the voice of a 1950s B-movie narrator – specifically, from a spent Indian rocket that had failed to blaze brightly into a million petty fragments on its journey back to Earth.

What the world has not appreciated is that the rocket in question is the pride of India’s satellite industry. Launched 58 times from the country’s Satish Dhawan Space Centre with a success rate of 94%, the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle is (usually) one of the world’s most reliable heavy-load rockets and the workhorse of an Indian space sector that has grown in stature and capability in recent years. That status has been hard won. Though Indian astronomers have been interested in charting the stars for millennia, the country’s attempts to actually reach them actually began in 1963, with the launch of a sounding rocket carried to the pad by a bullock cart. Since then, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) has developed full launch capabilities, deployed extra-terrestrial missions, and flung fleet after fleet of homegrown satellites into orbit.

Despite all these successes, however, India’s private space industry has – until very recently – struggled to get off the ground. Private participation in India’s space sector has long been stifled by strict government restrictions on satellite capabilities, but recent reforms, which were personally supported by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, have eliminated many of these regulatory hurdles. Estimates valued the global space-launch market at between $8bn and $14.5bn in 2022 – and India wants a slice of that sizable pie.

International investors, it seems, also want in on India’s emerging satellite-launch ecosystem. Consultancy firm Arthur D. Little has estimated that India’s space market could reach $100bn by 2040 – a figure that’s boosted by the nation’s growing satellite-launch capacities. “Deployment of a constellation of satellites in middle-earth orbits may emerge as a game changer for the Indian Space Business,” reads the report, which was published in July.

After a slow start, India is now home to at least 140 registered space start-ups, rising from just five at the beginning of 2020, according to the New York Times. Investors poured $119m into this ecosystem in 2022, according to Reuters. Geopolitical tensions might also be working in India’s favour. With Russia and China off the table for many Western firms, India looks set to emerge as the world’s new favourite cut-price destination for satellite launches. British satellite broadband company OneWeb, for example, launched 36 LEO satellites from India in March after the outbreak of Russia’s brutal war in Ukraine put a stop to its scheduled launches onboard Moscow’s famed Soyuz Rocket.

Spectators watch as ISRO launches the surveillance satellite RISAT-2BR1, along with nine other commercial nano-satellites for the US, Israel, Italy and Japan, on board the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV-C48) from Satish Dhawan Space Centre in Sriharikota in December 2019. (Photo by Arun Sankar/AFP via Getty Images)

India’s space odyssey

The stars started to align for India’s private space sector in October 2020, when the country’s Department of Space released a draft of its New Spacecom Policy. This policy – which was finally fully unleashed, after some additional modifications, earlier this year – aimed to open India’s satellite-launch sector to private businesses. “It got everybody excited,” says Krati Hashwani, a specialist telecommunications lawyer at the law firm Trilegal in Bangalore. Even before the official enactment of the draft policy, Trilegal’s international clients already started working towards building business in India, while domestic players in the field accelerated their bids to cut the hefty costs of satellite launches.

The new policy replaced the Satcom Policy of 1997, a restrictive set of regulations that limited private and foreign participation in the sector and didn’t envisage the immense rate of technological development, explains Hashwani. The dawn of LEO (low-earth orbit) satellites, which are much smaller and cheaper than traditional geostationary satellites, has been an industry game changer, opening the doors for the rise of satellite broadband — a market that India’s particularly keen to capitalise on.

In June 2022, amid the widespread overhaul of India’s space ecosystem, Dhruva Space and Digantara Aerospace were announced as the first two private companies to receive authorisation from regulatory authority IN-SPACe to conduct space-related activities. In the case of Dhruva Space, this allowed the firm to test its homemade satellite deployers on ISRO’s PSLV in June 2022 and to launch its first CubeSats into low-earth orbit (LEO) in November 2022.

Timing has also been crucial to the unprecedented growth of India’s space ecosystem, explains Dhruva’s founder and CEO, Sanjay Nekkanti. Demand for telecommunications satellites is expected to balloon in the coming years – a fact Modi explicitly identified in his push to open up India’s space ecosystem. “The global supply chain needs to be robust and strong,” says Nekkanti. “Dhruva Space works actively in the ecosystem with 400-odd companies that have been building small yet important components for the Indian Space Programme for many decades now. By working with these vendors, Dhruva Space can deliver missions and send up missions faster, economically without impacting reliability.” With this in mind, Nekkanti continues, “India’s space industry is primed for a stellar trajectory.”

Skyroot Aerospace CEO Pawan Kumar Chandana displays a model of his company’s rocket at a fair in Bangalore in 2021. Skyroot launched its first rocket in November 2021. (Photo by Pallava Bagla/Corbis via Getty Images)

Satellite status

Vikram-S, India’s first privately-built rocket, lifted off from Satish Dhawan Space Centre on 18 November 2022. It was developed by Skyroot Aerospace, a start-up founded in 2018 by former engineers and scientists from ISRO. The company, which is based in Hyderabad, has raised a total of $68.1m, according to Crunchbase. They’re hoping that Vikram-S will pave the way for Skyroot’s future rockets, which are projected to carry far heavier – and more profitable – payloads into space. Founders Pawan Chandana and Bharath Daka told Reuters they’re hoping to launch their first satellite into orbit in 2023 at just half of the cost of more-established launch companies.

There’s also Chennai-based Agnikul Cosmos, which has promised to cut costs for satellite launches. The start-up, which has raised $34.5m, plans to develop a small-scale rocket, called the Agnibaan, that’ll be capable of placing a 100kg satellite into a 700km orbit. Progress has been slow: the first launch was previously projected for 2022, but none have come to fruition. Nevertheless, co-founder Srinath Ravichandran told Bloomberg he’s still confident that Agnikul can achieve its new goal of completing four launches in 2024 by taking advantage of India’s newfound embrace of space start-ups.

It may have taken a while for India’s private space industry to get off the ground “but it’s only uphill from here”, says Hashwani. “We’ve already overcome the biggest hurdle, which was for the [New Satcom Policy] to see the light of the day.”

Nevertheless, India’s newly unleashed ecosystem still has hard work ahead of it. Launching satellites is a notoriously tricky and capital-intensive endeavour, and India’s capabilities are still trailing far behind the likes of China’s. There might be lots of near-term opportunities, but any unforeseen delays can, given the rapid rate of technical developments, be immensely costly – causing India’s emerging launch providers to lose out to nimbler competitors.

Stephanie Stacey
@stephistacey
Stephanie Stacey is a feature writer at Tech Monitor. She has previously worked at Business Insider, the European Forum for Urban Security, and La Gazette Drouot.

 

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3 Indian space startups to launch satellites in FY24: IN-SPACe

Three private sector satellite makers are expected to send their earth observation satellites this fiscal, according to the sectoral regulator Indian National Space Promotion and Authorisation Centre (IN-SPACe).

The three companies are the Chennai-based GalaxEye Space Solutions Pvt Ltd, Hyderabad-based Dhruva Space and the Bengaluru-based Pixxel.

GalaxEye’s first satellite Dhrishti is expected to launch in the last quarter of 2023, said IN-SPACe.

GalaxEye plans high resolution multi payload microsatellite constellation, comprising optical and synthetic aperture radar (SAR) payloads enabling data fusion using Drishti Sensors targeting environmental, Illegal Vessel Monitoring, insurance applications and others, IN-SPACe said in a consultation paper on the status and opportunities in Indian earth observation satellite segment.

On the other hand, Dhruva Space’s hyperspectral mission launch is scheduled during the first quarter of 2024.

The sectoral regulator also said Satsure’s subsidiary KaleidEO has planned a constellation of four satellites to provide images of 1 meter spatial resolution.

IN-SPACe did not specify any time for the launch of the satellites.

IN-SPACe said Pixxel has planned to launch the first commercial phase satellites in 2023 comprising six satellites covering any point on the globe every 48 hours. As regards approved earth observation satellite missions of the Indian Space Research Organisation in the near future are Resourcesat-Sampler 3S/3SA, Resourcesat-3 and 3A, RISAT-1B, TRISHNA (Joint ISRO-CNES,France Programme), NISAR (Joint NASA ISRO Programme), GISAT-1R and Oceansat-3A.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I've a quick question; How viable is the private space industry?

We are currently in an era where a marijuana smoking lunatic has pretty much screwed ESA because they were nowhere in terms of innovation. Slowly the whole market is getting consolidated to just 3-4 points. I'm in no way questioning the credibility of these startups from an innovation pov but from a marketing pov what next? Because end of day it's only positive cash-flow that can keep you afloat. There's this sudden explosion in firms from SkyRoot to Agnikul to now this.
How are they going to survive in the long run if they've nothing disruptive and a red ocean to compete?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Ab jawaab bhi de do...

 

[ezsasa]

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Ab jawaab bhi de do...

not fully equipped to answer this, but my take from a macro perspective:

they are still in hand holding phase, a phase which might go on for another decade.
considering the fact that the domestic private space industry(DPSI) is limiting it's goals to LEO, implies that they are setting themselves realistic goals, rather than aiming for stars and completing with Space X.

requirements of economy will determine the future of DPSI's future, as in it's the payload (global and domestic) for LEO(for the moment) will determine this industry's future.

may be 6G telecom protocols, will be the Y2K moment for DPSI. assuming non-tower based mobile communication will need a lot of satellites.

but interesting phase will be when DPSI move from application innovations to core tech research and innovation. that's when their tech by-products will be useful in other industries. like how ISRO's i.p are getting used in other industries.

https://www.sac.gov.in/SAC_Industry_Portal/publication/media/mediapublication/SPW.pdf

 

[Lonewarrior]

not fully equipped to answer this

Show-off

they are still in hand holding phase, a phase which might go on for another decade.
considering the fact that the domestic private space industry(DPSI) is limiting it's goals to LEO, implies that they are setting themselves realistic goals, rather than aiming for stars and completing with Space X.

requirements of economy will determine the future of DPSI's future, as in it's the payload (global and domestic) for LEO(for the moment) will determine this industry's future.

may be 6G telecom protocols, will be the Y2K moment for DPSI. assuming non-tower based mobile communication will need a lot of satellites.

but interesting phase will be when DPSI move from application innovations to core tech research and innovation. that's when their tech by-products will be useful in other industries. like how ISRO's i.p are getting used in other industries.

So basically the idea currently is that their whole STP would revolve around LEO and 6G.

But even if we consider something like LEO then isn't it more feasible to launch 20-30 satellites in a single huge launch vehicle compared to multiple smaller vehicles? Because if we're taking about commercial LEO customer then they'll most likely be either imaging or communication ones; and both need multiple satellites.

And how long can these start-up keep themselves safe in the market? Let's assume SkyRoot started doing very well and capturing a good sized market. But won't then big fishes like SpaceX would jump in? It would take them hardly a month to make a small launch vehicle and given they've already achieved break-even, then can provide services at a fraction of cost. How will these firms create an entry barrier?

Don't know why my MBA self is kicking so much today after reading that article Noob posted. I'm constantly trying to do a Porter's 5-Forces analysis and each time I'm getting nowhere.

There's a reason why we see so little new ICE car or bike companies entering the market. Even if they do, the leave in couple of years. Only those that show atleast some iota of innovation (like say Ola's scooter or some EV) seem to get a foothold.

It feels like people also know that after this R&D and initial operations phase this market won't be going anywhere so just make a firm, get some investors, do an IPO and quietly get out. Coz as of I haven't seen any groundbreaking disruptive technology in this field in India. It's becoming like a more glorified version of our Quadcopter industry

 

[ezsasa]

Show-off


So basically the idea currently is that their whole STP would revolve around LEO and 6G.

But even if we consider something like LEO then isn't it more feasible to launch 20-30 satellites in a single huge launch vehicle compared to multiple smaller vehicles? Because if we're taking about commercial LEO customer then they'll most likely be either imaging or communication ones; and both need multiple satellites.

And how long can these start-up keep themselves safe in the market? Let's assume SkyRoot started doing very well and capturing a good sized market. But won't then big fishes like SpaceX would jump in? It would take them hardly a month to make a small launch vehicle and given they've already achieved break-even, then can provide services at a fraction of cost. How will these firms create an entry barrier?

Don't know why my MBA self is kicking so much today after reading that article Noob posted. I'm constantly trying to do a Porter's 5-Forces analysis and each time I'm getting nowhere.

There's a reason why we see so little new ICE car or bike companies entering the market. Even if they do, the leave in couple of years. Only those that show atleast some iota of innovation (like say Ola's scooter or some EV) seem to get a foothold.

It feels like people also know that after this R&D and initial operations phase this market won't be going anywhere so just make a firm, get some investors, do an IPO and quietly get out. Coz as of I haven't seen any groundbreaking disruptive technology in this field in India. It's becoming like a more glorified version of our Quadcopter industry

Just one correction, 6G is my take, haven't seen where 6G protocols stand right now.

nothing to disagree with rest of the post, just that market consolidation phase etc is a few years away.
"sunrise sector" logics to be applied here.

 

[standard snowball]

Show-off


So basically the idea currently is that their whole STP would revolve around LEO and 6G.

But even if we consider something like LEO then isn't it more feasible to launch 20-30 satellites in a single huge launch vehicle compared to multiple smaller vehicles? Because if we're taking about commercial LEO customer then they'll most likely be either imaging or communication ones; and both need multiple satellites.

And how long can these start-up keep themselves safe in the market? Let's assume SkyRoot started doing very well and capturing a good sized market. But won't then big fishes like SpaceX would jump in? It would take them hardly a month to make a small launch vehicle and given they've already achieved break-even, then can provide services at a fraction of cost. How will these firms create an entry barrier?

Don't know why my MBA self is kicking so much today after reading that article Noob posted. I'm constantly trying to do a Porter's 5-Forces analysis and each time I'm getting nowhere.

There's a reason why we see so little new ICE car or bike companies entering the market. Even if they do, the leave in couple of years. Only those that show atleast some iota of innovation (like say Ola's scooter or some EV) seem to get a foothold.

It feels like people also know that after this R&D and initial operations phase this market won't be going anywhere so just make a firm, get some investors, do an IPO and quietly get out. Coz as of I haven't seen any groundbreaking disruptive technology in this field in India. It's becoming like a more glorified version of our Quadcopter industry

Your hypothesis has multiple holes in it, let me explain.
1. Companies like space x will eat up the market share of smaller companies like skyroot.
No they won't because space economy has various sectors, even the launch business has various sub sectors.
For example Spacex can't provide launch on demand and would need to launch a lot of Satellites at the same time to make it viable, leaving a gap behind which can be filled up by smaller private companies which can provide launch on demand.
Not to mention companies like spacex are looking towards heavy launch vehicle market to launch a shit ton of cargo (eg. Starship), so no companies like spacex are not going to be a threat

Other big companies like blue origin are looking towards making their own space station, they are not in the launch vehicle market, they have a launch vehicle because of vertical integration, that's it their launch vehicles aren't going to be used that much.

Satelite business is also going to boom, there will be alternative to starlink because of its strategic nature creating a whole array of companies who will try to capture this market, not to mention these satellites will wither away in a few years and will need continuous replacement which will make sure that the market will not become stale.

Like it or not a new space race is starting and these private companies will be a big part of it and will profit immensely, for example Artemis program has a lot of private participation.
Case in point the space race 2.0 is going to sustain the private space industry for quite a while and only the big 5 are going to be a part of it. (I.E NASA, ESA, CNSA, ROSCOSMOS (not sure about these guys), ISRO)

 

[Lonewarrior]

Your hypothesis has multiple holes in it, let me explain.

And your hypothesis simply ignore multiple facts

1. Companies like space x will eat up the market share of smaller companies like skyroot.
No they won't because space economy has various sectors, even the launch business has various sub sectors.

Why are you forgetting that the specific sector your talking about, "the economic sector" had already been pioneered by SpaceX some 15 years ago?

Whatever these Bellatrix and SkyRoot and Agnikul would do after all the rounds of funding and R&D and trials would be done by SpaceX in months and that too by just dusting of some old Falcon 1e blueprints

For example Spacex can't provide launch on demand and would need to launch a lot of Satellites at the same time to make it viable, leaving a gap behind which can be filled up by smaller private companies which can provide launch on demand.

"launch a lot of satellite at the same time to make it viable" they're in this business for a time long enough to recover investment and their launch vehicles are reusable...how much more viable can they be?

Ambani used his profit from oil to sell Jio sims at a low price, companies like Samsung uses flagship profits to sell mid range phones at lesser margins...similarly they'll also use all the heavy contracts and DoD agreements to cater this economy LEO segment at much lower price. Compared to a start-up that needs to recover it's fixed costs as soon as possible the the difference would be exponential.

As for being capable of providing launch of demand; any launch organisation using liquid fuelled rockets can do that given they've already done sufficient investment and they want to cater to this market.

Not to mention companies like spacex are looking towards heavy launch vehicle market to launch a shit ton of cargo (eg. Starship), so no companies like spacex are not going to be a threat

Again not fully correct.
Not looking towards, but used to look towards. In 2008 when they came in market they were very much like these Indian start-up, infact their Falcon 1 was almost analogous to what these firms are trying to develop. But at time the craze was not there in that segment and as a result they moved to Falcon 9.
It's not like they don't have the expertise or don't want to...it's simply the fact that at that point they didn't had a sufficient market demand and this point they're too big to look into that segment.
But end of day Apple did launch SE series, didn't they?

Satelite business is also going to boom, there will be alternative to starlink because of its strategic nature creating a whole array of companies who will try to capture this market, not to mention these satellites will wither away in a few years and will need continuous replacement which will make sure that the market will not become stale.

There will be? There's already
SatCube is there. But they're alternative just in the way they work...provide satellite internet not in price point.

Jio has so many alternatives, but still it has such a market share. Why?

And as for replacement, I've already covered how launching multiple satellite from bigger vehicle would be economical

Like it or not a new space race is starting and these private companies will be a big part of it and will profit immensely, for example Artemis program has a lot of private participation.
Case in point the space race 2.0 is going to sustain the private space industry for quite a while and only the big 5 are going to be a part of it. (I.E NASA, ESA, CNSA, ROSCOSMOS, ISRO)

It's not about liking or not liking, it's about viability

Few years ago there used be so many different food delivery apps. How many are there now?

 

[Varoon2]

Another space start up tests an engine! Hadn't even heard of this company until right now.

Astrophel Aerospace.

 

[standard snowball]

Whatever these Bellatrix and SkyRoot and Agnikul would do after all the rounds of funding and R&D and trials would be done by SpaceX in months and that too by just dusting of some old Falcon 1e blueprints

In your own words "It's not like they don't have the expertise or don't want to...it's simply the fact that at this point they're too big to look into that segment"

they're in this business for a time long enough to recover investment and their launch vehicles are reusable...how much more viable can they be?

No matter if you are Elon Musk or Mansa Musa you are not going to launch a single 300kg satellite to LEO by a Falcon 9, it is not going to be viable and that's where companies who provide on demand launch will come into play.

But end of day Apple did launch SE series, didn't they

With abysmal sales numbers and talks about closing the SE series

There will be? There's already
SatCube is there

How many companies are there to compete against starlink, 3,4 maybe 5 but they are not going to be enough, competition will surely increase because of the strategic nature of the sector

Jio has so many alternatives, but still it has such a market share. Why?

If jio is so great then why are other companies still in the game, surely they should have packed their bags and go home, but they are still here why.
Other launch companies will stay in the market because of the same reason why companies like Airtel and Vi are still standing

And as for replacement, I've already covered how launching multiple satellite from bigger vehicle would be economical

Shipping from sea is more economical than any other means of transport yet shipping from trains and planes, is still there why?
because being economical is not the only criteria many other things come into play too.


But Eh leave it, you have already made up your mind that these launch companies are not viable, and now you are making arguments based on that belief, you are not here to know about viability of these companies you are here to confirm your bias.
So jaisa aap kahe Prabhu I agree with all of that, "skyroot is not viable", sir yes sir skyroot is not viable.

 

[Lonewarrior]

In your own words "It's not like they don't have the expertise or don't want to...it's simply the fact that at this point they're too big to look into that segment"

They were doing this in 2008, market was not there so they left that. They stated doing heavy stuff because market was there. If this market really develops and shows potential then they'll come back.

It's as simple as it is; no need to take bits and pieces of what I said.

No matter if you are Elon Musk or Mansa Musa you are not going to launch a 300kg satellite to LEO by a Falcon 9, it is not going to be viable and that's where companies who provide on demand launch will come into play.

You based your whole story on Falcon 9 completely manipulating the argument when I clearly mentioned Falcon 1e
Cool

With abysmal sales numbers and talks about closing the SE series

Then why're they launching SE 4?

How many companies are there to compete against starlink, 3,4 maybe 5 but they are not going to be enough competition will surely increase because of the strategic nature of the sector

But how are those new companies going to compete against a established company with break-even and economics of scale?
Chances are even these 4-5 companies would go bankrupt.

If jio is so great then why are other companies still in the game, surely they should have packed their bags and go home, but they are still here why.
Other launch companies will stay in the market because of the same reason why companies like Airtel and Vi are still standing

Survivors bias

What happened to Docomo, Telenor, Aircel? What's the current balance sheet of Airtel and VI? Who has the biggest share?
Definitely they're standing, but for how long?

Shipping from sea is more economical than any other means of transport yet items are still shipped from trains and planes, why?
because being economical is not the only criteria many other things come into play too.

Again, irrelevant argument
Multiple sats to LEO at med cost - Falcon 9
Single sat to LEO at low cost - Falcon 1
Why should I go for a new start-up launch vehicle?

The comparision is between a cheaper shipping firm and an expensive one; not shipping and train.

But Eh leave it, you have already made up your mind that these launch companies are not viable, and now you are making arguments based on that belief, you are not here to know about viability of these companies you are here to confirm your bias.
So jaisa aap kahe Prabhu I agree with all of that, "skyroot is not viable", sir yes sir skyroot is not viable.

Tum bhi to wohi ho, isse pehle waali message me jab "like it or not" dekha to samajh gaya ki maajra kya hai.
Koi nahi, ek waqt pe EdTech waale bhi kaafi funds jama kiye the...dekhte hain, inka kya hota hai.

 

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Another space start up tests an engine! Hadn't even heard of this company until right now.

Astrophel Aerospace.

Some brief background info on this company.

Private Rocket Startup, Astrophel Aerospace, to Launch Rocket in Three Years; Initiates Testing of Cryogenic Engine | The Weather Channel

Bootstrapping or running their startup with their own funds, the startup wants to test their rocket's cryogenic engine before approaching the investors for funds. - Articles from The Weather Channel | weather.com

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