The phylogenetic and geographic structure of Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a

[Indo-Aryan]

Curious case of linguistics:

From 3000bce-1000bce

Andronovo - language unknown
BMAC - language unknown
Harappa - language unknown
Jiroft - language unknown
Elamite - language unknown

Linguistic Hypothesis

Andronovo- Proto-Indo-Iranian
BMAC - Indo-Iranian
Harappa - Dravidian
Jiroft - No clue
Elamite - linguistic isolate

When asked about evidence

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Linguistic Logic:

1000bce - Steppe - Scythian - Eastern Iranian
So
2000bce - Steppe - Andronovo - Proto-II

1000bce - India - Aryan
So
2000bce - India - Dravidian

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Harappa was the manifestaion of Indian material Ethos.

Vedas was the manifestation of Indian spiritual Ethos.

2 sides of the same coin.
One is body the other is soul.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Impact of Harappans was more on BMAC compared to Andronovo.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Have we found any Andronovo related Pottery in India ...........Nope

2000bce-1500bce is OCP in India.

OCP

Sinauli Pottery

Andronovo pottery

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Contemporary late Harappan pottery

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Origin of hg R1a

To infer the geographic origin of hg R1a-M420, we identified populations harboring at least one of the two most basal haplogroups and possessing high haplogroup diversity. Among the 120 populations with sample sizes of at least 50 individuals and with at least 10% occurrence of R1a, just 6 met these criteria, and 5 of these 6 populations reside in modern-day Iran. Haplogroup diversities among the six populations ranged from 0.78 to 0.86 (Supplementary Table 4). Of the 24 R1a-M420*(xSRY10831.2) chromosomes in our data set, 18 were sampled in Iran and 3 were from eastern Turkey. Similarly, five of the six observed R1a1-SRY10831.2*(xM417/Page7) chromosomes were also from Iran, with the sixth occurring in a Kabardin individual from the Caucasus. Owing to the prevalence of basal lineages and the high levels of haplogroup diversities in the region, we find a compelling case for the Middle East, possibly near present-day Iran, as the geographic origin of hg R1a.

The phylogenetic and geographic structure of Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a - European Journal of Human Genetics

R1a-M420 is one of the most widely spread Y-chromosome haplogroups; however, its substructure within Europe and Asia has remained poorly characterized. Using a panel of 16 244 male subjects from 126 populations sampled across Eurasia, we identified 2923 R1a-M420 Y-chromosomes and analyzed them...

www.nature.com

I see gharwapsi of R1a is around the corner Boys!

Need to know that r1a is not only oldest in BHARATA(when compared to anywhere in world) nevertheless is even present maximally in SAVARNAS of East and North India. Not west or north west. If R1 has anything to do with Indian civilization, then it was present highest in the same regions as Ganga, Ayodhya, Prayag and Varanasi etc

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

“The genetic findings confirm India and Iran were a continuum since the Neolithic period. We have independent archaeological evidence the two were linked... Why do we need Central Asia to explain links between Vedic and Avestan?” says
@sanjeevsanyal

Haplogroup	Population group (n)	Variance	Age	[95% CI] (in years)	Age	[95% CI] (in years)

	BHARAT(Total) (509)	0.38	13768.12	(10000–22093.02)	17623.19	[12800–28279.07]
	India (Tribes + Dalits) (256)	0.41	14855.07	(10789.47–23837.21)	19014.49	[13810.53–30511.63]
	India (Tribes) (140)	0.40	14492.75	(10526.32–23255.81)	18550.72	[13473.68–29767.44]
	India (Brahmins) (253)	0.34	12318.84	(8947.37–19767.44)	15768.12	[11452.63–25302.33]
	Kashmiri Pandits (10)	0.52	18840.58	(13684.21–30232.56)	24115.94	[17515.79–38697.67]
	Himachal Brahmins (9)	0.43	15579.71	(11315.79–25000.00)	19942.03	[14484.21–32000.00]
	Bihar Brahmins (23)	0.30	10869.57	(7894.74–17441.86)	13913.04	[10105.26–22325.58]
	UP Brahmins (21)	0.35	12681.16	(9210.53–20348.84)	16231.88	[11789.47–26046.51]
	Maharashtra Brahmins (40)	0.28	10144.93	(7368.42–16279.07)	12985.51	[9431.58–20837.21]
	Gujarat Brahmins (21)	0.31	11231.88	(8157.89–18023.26)	14376.81	[10442.11–23069.77]
	Punjab Brahmins (10)	0.32	11594.20	(8421.05–18604.65)	14840.58	[10778.95–23813.95]
	MP Brahmins (16)	0.27	9782.61	(7105.26–15697.67)	12521.74	[9094.74–20093.02]
	Orissa Brahmins (10)	0.37	13405.80	(9736.84–21511.63)	17159.42	[12463.16–27534.88]
	WB Brahmins (13)	0.40	14492.75	(10526.32–23255.81)	18550.72	[13473.68–29767.44]
	Dravidian Brahmins (80)	0.29	10507.25	(7631.58–16860.47)	13449.28	[9768.42–21581.40]
	Saharia Tribe (16)	0.36	13043.48	(9473.68–20930.23)	16695.65	[12126.32–26790.70]
R1a*
	Kashmir (9a)	0.43	15579.71	(11315.79–25000.00)	19942.03	[14484.21–32000.00]
	Saharia Tribe (13)	0.60	21739.13	(15789.47–34883.72)	27826.09	[20210.53–44651.16]
	BHARAT(22)	0.51	18478.26	(13421.05–29651.16)	23652.17	[17178.95–37953.49]

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

From @ Rahul Chawla

/n thread to debunk AIT as per available genetics evidence... Narasimhan et al 2019, finds that 87 (passed) South Asian (SPGT) DNA samples, dated 1200-800 BCE, show scarcity of male steppe ancestry.. while the origin of R1a is still undecided..

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[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

I wouldn't be surprised if we end up reporting IranN + Ancient North European samples from northern IVC sites.

Tarim Mummies (2000bce-1500bce) related people could have made their way down South.

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SINDHU SARASVATI Civilisation of BHARATA had population between 20 and 50 lakhs. Thats only 1 Civilisation out of n number of civilisation that appeared in BHARATA in very ancient times. We were highest populated because of advanced agriculture infact agriculture originated in BHARAT that sustained populations on such massive scale. When Sarasvati dried up was a deadly blow to Sindhu Sarasvati Civilisation because food supplies got obiliterated that resulted in collapse of Sindhu Sarasvati Civilisation. Meanwhile most of sintashta settlements only had few hundred people on average at max it reached around 1000.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

This was confirmed by kohl and denis sharapov as well that sintashta was poorly populated in absence of proper agriculture.The northern and central kazakhstan during the bronze age also had around 7000 estimated population at max. This zone was under the andronovo bychraft, succeeding earlier sintashta bychraft.

Infact the total population of this sintashta andronovo khazakhstan coomers was not even 5% of SINDHU SARASVATI.

The population estimates of sintashta culture at max was around 8200 also confirmed by Alan johnson.
Bc 8200 population hai ya bawaseer.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

SINDHU SARASVATI's Harappa alone had between 60000 to 80000 in population which is also confirmed by kenoyer.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Keep in mind there were other large and urbanized cities like Mohenjo Daro, Ganweriwala, RAKHIGARHI, DHOLAVIRA BHIRANA etc which hosted similar number of population. The total population of SINDHU SARASVATI civilization was in many millions.

PREMENDRA PRIYADARSHI and SUDARSHAN T NADATHUR and MURALI K VADIVELU of INFINITY FOUNDATION OF BHARAT :
If m be the proportion of migrants in an admixed population, 1-m is the proportion of hosts. Let the frequency of migrant genes be qm among the migrants and q0 among the hosts, before the admixture. The proportion of the migrant genes (q1) in a population thus corresponds directly to the level of migration that then formed the admixed population. The frequency of the migrant genes in the admixed population, q1, will be q1 = m(qm - q0) + q0. (1)
From Fig. 3 of de Barros Damgaard et al., it can be inferred that the proportion of Namazga+SteppeMLBA migrant genes (qm = 1.0) is about 0.6–0.8 (q1). (2) This will mean an m of 0.6–0.8. To achieve this proportion of migrants in the admixed population, the number of migrants to have arrived must be at least 1.5–4.0 times the size of the host population [South Indian (S. Indian), q0 = 0]. If the migrant genes are unique markers, as it is presumed in the analysis by the authors, it cannot be and should not be present in the host population, that is q0 > 0 cannot be claimed to obviate the arithmetical reality demonstrated here, as that would mean that the migration hypothesis falls flat. If q0 > 0, it can only indicate that the two supposedly unique populations are not unique but descendants of the same parent population. In the latter case the varying qm and q0, if they varied at all, will be explained by genetic drift alone.


To infact really genetically overwhelm such huge population you need atleast 4x population that is 20 million steppy/sintashta/andronovo zombies are needed to come (which they never did) to overwhelm us all genetically so that current population have the genetic content with the claimed percentage and since this never happened so the invasion larp changes to migration to tourism to picnic .

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Curious case of linguistics:

From 3000bce-1000bce

Andronovo - language unknown
BMAC - language unknown
Harappa - language unknown
Jiroft - language unknown
Elamite - language unknown

Linguistic Hypothesis

Andronovo- Proto-Indo-Iranian
BMAC - Indo-Iranian
Harappa - Dravidian
Jiroft - No clue
Elamite - linguistic isolate

When asked about evidence

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So what if few people spoke Kannada/Malayalam in SINDHU SARASVATI valley so what? Vedas were far off to the East along GANGA and towards HARYANA that too far east.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

Of all the melanin deficient doing shitlectual masturbation with respect to Indology have a routine habit of under representing Bhartiya samples as coomers take only few dozen yDna samples to set that also from Nri mostly and then label it as proxy for BHARAT. Now with enough yDna samplings we have established origin of r1a-z93 in BHARAT. Nevertheless there remains no evidence that r1a is even connected to Vedic ARYA.

 

[asaffronladoftherisingsun]

^^^^^This basically proves that all descendants of r1a-z93 today come from one common ancestor dated at 15.5k years before present in BHARAT.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

^^^^^This basically proves that all descendants of r1a-z93 today come from one common ancestor dated at 15.5k years before present in BHARAT.

5000 Andronovo invaders vs late Harappans + Chalcolithic + OCP people.

5000 Andronovo male vs 1,000,000 Indians

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Keep in mind there were other large and urbanized cities like Mohenjo Daro, Ganweriwala, RAKHIGARHI, DHOLAVIRA BHIRANA etc which hosted similar number of population. The total population of SINDHU SARASVATI civilization was in many millions.

PREMENDRA PRIYADARSHI and SUDARSHAN T NADATHUR and MURALI K VADIVELU of INFINITY FOUNDATION OF BHARAT :
If m be the proportion of migrants in an admixed population, 1-m is the proportion of hosts. Let the frequency of migrant genes be qm among the migrants and q0 among the hosts, before the admixture. The proportion of the migrant genes (q1) in a population thus corresponds directly to the level of migration that then formed the admixed population. The frequency of the migrant genes in the admixed population, q1, will be q1 = m(qm - q0) + q0. (1)
From Fig. 3 of de Barros Damgaard et al., it can be inferred that the proportion of Namazga+SteppeMLBA migrant genes (qm = 1.0) is about 0.6–0.8 (q1). (2) This will mean an m of 0.6–0.8. To achieve this proportion of migrants in the admixed population, the number of migrants to have arrived must be at least 1.5–4.0 times the size of the host population [South Indian (S. Indian), q0 = 0]. If the migrant genes are unique markers, as it is presumed in the analysis by the authors, it cannot be and should not be present in the host population, that is q0 > 0 cannot be claimed to obviate the arithmetical reality demonstrated here, as that would mean that the migration hypothesis falls flat. If q0 > 0, it can only indicate that the two supposedly unique populations are not unique but descendants of the same parent population. In the latter case the varying qm and q0, if they varied at all, will be explained by genetic drift alone.


To infact really genetically overwhelm such huge population you need atleast 4x population that is 20 million steppy/sintashta/andronovo zombies are needed to come (which they never did) to overwhelm us all genetically so that current population have the genetic content with the claimed percentage and since this never happened so the invasion larp changes to migration to tourism to picnic .

They said between 2000bce-1500bce massive population descended from steppe (Andronovo).

And when you look at the population in steppe ........ 8000.....

Invasion model has failed.
Migration model too has failed.
On to the Picnic model

They say migration started from 2000bce onwards. A lot more people lived in 2000bce. Many Harappan settlements were not yet abandoned. Then there were people from Chalcolithic and OCP cultures who alone were 10 times the number that could have descended into India.

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Also keep in mind:

They split around 2000bce around Afghanistan.

One group migrated to Syria (Mittani)
2nd group migrated to Iran
3rd group migrated to India

5000 Andronovo men split into 3 groups. Let's say Indian group was larger. So we come around 3000 people

God! Why don't people use their brain. Instead they quote people like Tony Joseph and Devdutt Patniak

 

[Indo-Aryan]

Even well equipped brutal invaders of later era failed miserably to replace genetics and languages of India.