Haldiram
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It is after watching this video that the song "Baby marwake maanegi" was written.
It is after watching this video that the song "Baby marwake maanegi" was written.
so that brings the women quits figure to 100% :biggrin2:
my point is judging women power based on a single woman competing with 50 men is not fair ,50% drop out rate at RAF regiment, I seriously doubt that. This is not an "infantry unit". This is a unit which does guard duty but pretends to be a fighting unit.
this is a good point ,There are women who can outperform men physically, mentally and intellectually but they are too few in numbers. Problem is that militaries are a mass organisation. Having 3-5 capable women in an infantry company of 130 is not going to be helpful to the army, their male colleagues and to the women themselves. Its a lose-lose proposition.
I don't have a problem with WIC but it simply doesn't pan out in the real world. Women as heli pilots have been serving in India since 1994 and did a good job in Kargil and Siachen. At the same time, vast majority of women will fail to lift a 45kg 155mm arty round, let alone repeat it 50 times a day, trained or not.
There are places where women can serve in the armed forces and excel at their jobs, frontline fighting units are not one of these places.
@ Bhumihar, buddy u probably didn't read what i wrote. and no i don't think u r a patriarchal gringo either. and plz don't call me ma'am. kindly refer to me by my profile name. im a very ordinary woman and im here to gain some knowledge about our forces. that's all.I hope you don't take what I said in the wrong way 12Arya mam.
Lower the standards isn't the only problem that comes with women in Military.
We have a natural difference between a men and women
Take this for example this is a data complication on Grip strength taken by national heath committee of the United States
The black curves are the average.
You can see now both the gender start out equally till puberty hits and then the curve begins to diverg.
You see now in terms of grip strength we have less than 6 to 9% of the women women even coming close to a mans average and 2% going above average
Now you may ask me how does grip strength matter.
Well grip strength is everything, it is the some total of your upper body strength, all the muscles present in the upper body combine together to provide grip strength.
Grip strength is invloved in everything relevant to military.
Grip strength will determine if u can hold the gun as the same accuracy as the man when firing.
Grip strength will determine how efficiently you can climb a 10 m rope.
Grip strength matters when you lift something or grab on to something when your pulling or pushing.
Grip strength will matter in your martial arts training, this is the reason why most women get beat by men in wrestling kind of sport.
So you have maybe 1 or 2 female for every 98 men qualifying for the physical standard.
So this is how it goes we will have to arrange for different quarters different washroom facilities and other stuff.
This all will cost us a lot of money which we are already short off.
And that's not the only thing women go through periods which cut down on their performance even more.
And let's be real there is no guarantee of what will happen when male and female are put together in a team.
Now we can either just hire more males for the job which we have plenty or maybe hire more females just for the sake of filling progressivnes quota knowing well about all the drawbacks.
Granted there are fields like Air force where inclusion of women has little to no affect upon the performance. Women helicopter pilots have been operating for decades in our air force and now are doing so in the fighter jet department.
Women in the sniper department are renowned during the world war and even now.
I'm in no way have any patriarchical view against female all I'm asking for is efficiency in the armed forces.
Mam i respect and admire you and I'm all open on debate if u want to
Impossible. Height, weight and other physical requirments and tasks are designed for men. There cannot be equal number of men and women unless women have gone through a bout of biological evolution that nobody noticed.let there be equal number of trainee women as men and then measure their performance without lowering standards and if let says less than 5 percent of women trainees finishes the course then no need for any more argument ,
Yes I will. Unless women are bringing something special to the table which they don't, the point of "just as capable as men" is moot.but lets say there are 10 women among company of 130 equally capable as men then question is would you deny them for participation at war ,
Again, impossible. There are women in India who can fulfill all kinds of reqirments.and by god , if those women proved themselves then what ???
the GIF luks like that of chini PLA, from the facial features of the soldiers!!! do chinis allow women in combat?It is after watching this video that the song "Baby marwake maanegi" was written.
History of Chinese women in combat is similar to India. They had their own version of Jhansibai. They have female regiments, pilots etc. Women are 4.5% of Chinese military today.the GIF luks like that of chini PLA, from the facial features of the soldiers!!! do chinis allow women in combat?
I may agree to post female soldiers on Indo China border but at no cost Indo Pak border.Impossible. Height, weight and other physical requirments and tasks are designed for men. There cannot be equal number of men and women unless women have gone through a bout of biological evolution that nobody noticed.
Yes I will. Unless women are bringing something special to the table which they don't, the point of "just as capable as men" is moot.
Why would I complicate the structure, logistics and living arrangements of a unit when even at their very best women are promising similar performance at additional costs?
Again, impossible. There are women in India who can fulfill all kinds of reqirments.
a) How many want to join the military?
b) Do they really matter as far as the numbers are concerned?
This is not a sports arena where a handful of women are competing against each other. This is war where a handful of women will be competing against lakhs of men who are taller, stronger and have higher upper body strength.
Few 100 or even thousand women (being very generous here) are inconsequencial where beligerants are fielding million men.
That's a slippery slope. Equal standards of today will turn into shitty standards of tomorrow at the drop of hat and for that to happen, you don't need a feminist revolution in the society.Let the institutes be open for women but simply ask them to perform. When NSR MoD made this move I was quite sure what might have transpired behind the walls of army HQ
Reality and idealism don't go together. No one can dispute what yo saying but governments and Institute bounded by it follow perception and popular narrative.That's a slippery slope. Equal standards of today will turn into shitty standards of tomorrow at the drop of hat and for that to happen, you don't need a feminist revolution in the society.
All you need is a few politicians who want to score brownie points with a few yes men in military and MOD.
Military service in India will go from a priviledge to an inalienable right.
yes, that's what im saying. if GOI lower standards for gender equality, how will it be fair to people like u who got rejected for such reasons?Really man military is not the place to score brownie points, this year I had scored quite high in the NDA exam but got rejected due to flatfoot. See no exception for us flatfooters in the army.
My strategy -yes, that's what im saying. if GOI lower standards for gender equality, how will it be fair to people like u who got rejected for such reasons?
also agree with @Bhumihar said, regarding posting women to Chini border and never to the porki ones. i can't imagine what they wil do to a female soldier if those creatures capture one!!!!
yes, Capt. Kalia still is a sore wound on our psyches & ofcourse Commander.Jhadhav's continuing torture.....so capturing a female soldier will raise crazy situations. And if male soldiers r around, im sure they will all risk their lives trying to save the female soldier!
Yes I will. Unless women are bringing something special to the table which they don't, the point of "just as capable as men" is moot.
as a member of same species , what ' something special ' women could bring or how much it would affect additional costs of structure or logistics ,Why would I complicate the structure, logistics and living arrangements of a unit when even at their very best women are promising similar performance at additional costs?
its a good point that numerically speaking few women even if they could match with their male counterparts cannot brings any advantage to the army which means there could not be women regiment .a) How many want to join the military?
b) Do they really matter as far as the numbers are concerned?
This is not a sports arena where a handful of women are competing against each other. This is war where a handful of women will be competing against lakhs of men who are taller, stronger and have higher upper body strength.
Few 100 or even thousand women (being very generous here) are inconsequencial where beligerants are fielding million men.