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@Kshithij dude. Take a break from dharma. It wont be an adharma.Yes and those are called Rakshasas who don't follow dharma and cause trouble to everyone
Oh THAT'S who he is................@Kshithij dude. Take a break from dharma. It wont be an adharma.
You were already done man. When you understood from your circumstances that you had to "believe" and not verify things as far as Spirituality/ Sanatan Dharma is concerned, you were done that very moment. Sad, you did not have any influence in life that could tell you that Sanatan Dharma is also about verification and not just "believing". Enjoy your "rational" life.Better summary, I'm done with it.
Sorry boss, I do not want to get into which books were there on the rack of your house.What to do you think? I didn't? Indian homes may even not have food to eat but religious books occupy a complete rack at least. My parents weren't different either.
You need a particular definition before verification of same.You were already done man. When you understood from your circumstances that you had to "believe" and not verify things as far as Spirituality/ Sanatan Dharma is concerned, you were done that very moment. Sad, you did not have any influence in life that could tell you that Sanatan Dharma is also about verification and not just "believing". Enjoy your "rational" life.
Those are same as that you want, not books in my personal cabinetry.Sorry boss, I do not want to get into which books were there on the rack of your house.
Again, absence of evidence has to serve as evidence of absence unless evidence of presence is there.About the baboon with 3 tales (tails i guess) in the core of sun, sure, why not? For all I know such baboons can be there at core of sun. How can i rule out the possibility? I am rational, curious and inquisitive - you see!
I have experienced through direct action in life that if I shoot a football towards the goal, the football goes towards the goal. Sometimes it misses the goal and goes outside but more often than not it goes towards the goal. Now, let's say you do not want to believe this but you want to verify. Before verification, what will be your "definition" that you want to verify? (Asking to understand your vocabulary and terms that you use!)You need a particular definition before verification of same.
You ASS-U-ME too much man. And the guys who ASS-U-ME too much make an ass of themselves and others who deal with them. I am suffering man. Have mercy.Those are same as that you want, not books in my personal cabinetry.
Sure, sure. But I as a rational person will keep exploring for evidence. You can tell me that there is no water on moon. And all your ISRO missions to moon may say that they did not find any evidence of water on moon. But if next year another mission to moon brings evidence that water is there on moon, I will be open minded enough to examine that new evidence. I am not dogmatic you see!Again, absence of evidence has to serve as evidence of absence unless evidence of presence is there.
And what should be in the core of sun, right? Look man, I am waiting for that day when your spaceship from ISRO will penetrate to the core of the sun and bring a few sample baboons of 3 tales. My mind is open. If that happens, I will listen to the tales of your baboons and accept those baboons as truth. After all what do i know? Why should i be arrogant enough to conclude that my logic is the best in the world?Logics are applied to admit or rule out the possibility like what should be there inside the bodies of baboons etc.. Unfeasible concepts have to be ruled out.
Welcome!What's going on here guys?
Anyway, by my 56th vote majority DFI'ns officially accepted that God is human creation only.
Except muzzies all religions(majority people) accept 'there is NO SKY DADDY',full-stop.
Just to be clear, I am a Theist.Does any of the atheist here believe in coincidences or "saubhagya", "durbhagya" ?
Buddhism neither confirm nor deny GOD's existence, it is agnostic belief!m not follower of any one but i like simplicity of Buddhism.... Of-course it won't survive in-front of Abrahamic desert cults.
In that sense, what is their core belief about existence? (like Hinduism has (Monism) - Parmatman - Atman relationship). Do Buddhists believe in souls? where do they conceptualize the soul goes after death if it doesn't merge with the Parmatman?Buddhism neither confirm nor deny GOD's existence, it is agnostic belief!
When you put a large number of people into a system, let's call it a nation, over a period of time, some of them will find good fortune in certain fields and outdo the rest in economic aspects. Compound this with the concept of inheritance and you have a situation where a poor boy inherits his father's poverty and debt and a rich boy inherits wealth. Over multiple generations, this compounded inequality causes chasms in society. Call it by any fancy name, but this basic inequality exists in every society because resources are limited and humans are many. Even 'developed' nations have their own class system.If these laws & humans are so efficient, then, their creator must be too.
What is spirituality & why should I go for it leaving materialistic things?I have experienced through direct action in life that if I shoot a football towards the goal, the football goes towards the goal. Sometimes it misses the goal and goes outside but more often than not it goes towards the goal. Now, let's say you do not want to believe this but you want to verify. Before verification, what will be your "definition" that you want to verify? (Asking to understand your vocabulary and terms that you use!)
You asked me to spend money on spiritual books, didn't you?You ASS-U-ME too much man. And the guys who ASS-U-ME too much make an ass of themselves and others who deal with them. I am suffering man. Have mercy.
Did you even bother to read complete para?Sure, sure. But I as a rational person will keep exploring for evidence. You can tell me that there is no water on moon. And all your ISRO missions to moon may say that they did not find any evidence of water on moon. But if next year another mission to moon brings evidence that water is there on moon, I will be open minded enough to examine that new evidence. I am not dogmatic you see!
And so, absence of evidence is not equal to evidence of absence. Not by a long shot. :blah:
On the contrary, presence of evidence of (absence | presence) is equal to evidence of (absence | presence). Heh.
Wadda hell? Baboons can never be inside sun.And what should be in the core of sun, right? Look man, I am waiting for that day when your spaceship from ISRO will penetrate to the core of the sun and bring a few sample baboons of 3 tales. My mind is open. If that happens, I will listen to the tales of your baboons and accept those baboons as truth. After all what do i know? Why should i be arrogant enough to conclude that my logic is the best in the world?
Well said.When you put a large number of people into a system, let's call it a nation, over a period of time, some of them will find good fortune in certain fields and outdo the rest in economic aspects. Compound this with the concept of inheritance and you have a situation where a poor boy inherits his father's poverty and debt and a rich boy inherits wealth. Over multiple generations, this compounded inequality causes chasms in society. Call it by any fancy name, but this basic inequality exists in every society because resources are limited and humans are many. Even 'developed' nations have their own class system.
I ain't pointing out that. I've problem with what it has been made, no matter what it was, its current face was being defended by @Advaidya TiwariIn fact, the word "Caste" itself comes from Italian origin word called "Costa", which roughly translated into "Pedigree". This inequality doesn't stem from Hindu literature or oral traditions. This is a purely economic shift. Right from ancient ages, (until as recently as our economic liberalization in the 1990's) if you dedicated your life to the pursuit of knowledge, like a researcher, or a Brahman in the Vedic era, or a PhD holder in the 90's, you'd typically be poorer than a trader who merely transports goods. It is only after the IT revolution that the "knowledge economy" picked up and having domain specific knowledge could make you rich sitting in an office. Now, this pedigree of engineers/scientists, did they conspire against the pedigree of traders? Did all of them read Hindu epics and say "well..let's invent Flipkart to make those people from the shop owning caste jobless"?
A little correction, those are values which keep changing, not morals.Morality in society keeps shifting with time. In the stone age and medieval ages, if you could slay a mammoth or kill an enemy, you'd be rewarded. Violence in the workplace was considered a virtue. Today even if you shout on your co-worker, you'd be out of favor. Violence is no more a virtue. Neither the stone age man nor the Infosys guy is getting his morality from Bhagwat Geeta. These are economic shifts. They are not linked with theology. A soldier in the modern era isn't typically richer than a corporate employee, despite risking his life. Does that mean the 9-to-5 person has conspired against Kshatriyas?
No matter where the word caste came from, I'll use Varna Vyavastha instead but you can't deny that one of these useless concepts had been conceived by Indian people too. It's still evident.The "Caste system is a Hindu invention" is a Naxal narrative, Bittu ji.
I'm talking about inheriting wealth, not jobs.Discrimination started (I think) when people tagged some works as small & dirty while other as prestigious.
Second, may be in past kid used to inherit his Daddy's job but what's point of doing it today? Why not right men for right job?
It's evident in all countries. Inequality is the nature of human existence. Even Mao tried to bring equality and eventually they went back to capitalism to make their 20 trillion $ economy. You can't say that the state shall equally distribute rations to everyone, while the inputs from individuals are unequal. Enterprising people will always do more, learn more, take more risk, make more money, pass on the wealth to their kids, they will always stick together with other enterprising people, form a self-serving ecosystem to further the interests of their kind. This option is not exclusive to them, it's available to all.No matter where the word caste came from, I'll use Varna Vyavastha instead but you can't deny that one of these useless concepts had been conceived by Indian people too. It's still evident.
Even Hinduism doesn't say that there is a sky daddy.Some of his followers made him god but Buddha clearly denied EXISTENCE OF GOD.He never claimed he was son or prophet (or some xyz) of God like middle eastern frauds.
PS: Can't understand the fu* terminology Agnostic,Atheist,Theist,Believer,Non-believer and so on.... There is no SKY DADDY.Full stop.
I don't extend my goodwill to Middle Eastern cults at all. Their "ism" is very unlike the "ism" of Hinduism or Buddhim and more like the political "-ism" of communism and capitalism. It doesn't deal with sublime ideas. It is an instruction manual for the rearrangement of man and material with the combination of economic and legal laws (interest based baking is haram, alcohol is haram, kaffirs are haram etc). It's an outward looking political philosophy which focuses on the "other". Hinduism helps you explore your own inner depths. It doesn't tell you how to manage your money, or how to organize people, or which economic system to use to run the nation. It just helps you make some sense of the weirdness of nature.The real issue here IS
ME desert cults work like an army ... like in army every soldier must obey his immediate high order, they must obey 'state head' and finally highest authority resides Vatican and macca.
Like above said (all terminologies) even Hinduism & Buddhism also became religions because these WAR MONGER CULTS with a codified hate MANUAL given by non-existent GOD.
I have already explained the difference between Dharma and Adharma. If you are retarded enough to not understand, no one can helpGood luck now explaining how are you different from Abrahamic retards
You are calling Dharma stupidity? Do you have reasoning to say this? Also, you had clearly mentioned that the claim of dharma is - "Abrahamism is bad and hence one must follow dharma".Ya dumb or what? This stupidity is older than Abrahamism and is correspondent not reaction if you can understand English. I wrote that 5-6 times at least.
And how many times should I tell that Dharma is itself reasoning? Are you being that retard who says that wheel has to be reinvented every generation instead of simply copying the previous generation's idea?Anything without reason is jungly. I'm not asking to push them out of discipline but justify thoughts what you are passing on to them.
Human minds should be able to interpret things. Following things without objection is a characteristic of pet animals, not civilised or even jungly people.
Moron, this is the meaning of dharma in Sanskrit. The word Dharma comes from "Dhri" meaning preserve and that Dharma is the set of principles that maintain balance in the world. If you did not know thi basic thing and yet you were speaking of dharma, it is your own stupidity.Now, you are with new definition of it.
Bloody bastard, no one is asking you to marry within sirname. I have told this once - Caste is not Varna. I can't repeat this again. If you ever even speak of caste as being part of dharma, then I will consider the conversation to be cyclic and hence end it thereAgain, why should I live apart from my other people, marry within surname and follow fathers profession? And if you think Shudras are so happy, just go & try to live with them.
Opinions are enforced by logic from reasonable people? This is the definition of opinion? Are you mentally unsound?Blended with feelings for emotional people, enforced by logics from reasonable people.
Who told you that humans are most efficient? Humans are just more efficient than other species on this planet. The world has universe of stars and corresponding planet system.If these laws & humans are so efficient, then, their creator must be too.
Watch the hole video.
Problem with theists is that they think that they are purpose of universe, most scientists on other hands see themselves as by product of universe. Because random processes in universe create random. Who the hell we are to tag ourselves more special than those things.
Who gives excuses? It is you who gives excuses, not Jyotishis. Highly learned Jyotishis don't fail or fail too less (1-2%). Jyotishya does not give away all information. Only partial information about a person is available and that can differ from people to people. Also, certain things in horoscope are conditional upon certain other things which may not be available to jyotishis. But many people tend to due over demanding and ask for specific answers which may not be available in their horoscope. This may force Jyotishis to tell something just to satisfy the client. But if the client is very reasonable one and the Jyotishi is a highly learned person, the right prediction of available data is done.LOL, when they fail, they have excuse, when someone gets accidentally in, they get credit. But they aren't fools for sure.
Happiness is just hormonal pleasure. It is best obtained by consuming drugs. One who seeks happiness in life is just a barbarian. If you live to die anyways, why not commit suicide?Happiness is achieved from merits simply.
Learn to differentiate between happiness & joy.
Ethics, values etc are not dharma. Dharma is consistent principle that maintains balance. Laws, ethics, values etc are not consistent and generally are based on opinion rather than calculations. So, somethimes laws have to be broken. Dharma is scientific and is based on calculations based on all available data dispassionately without any iota of feelings or opinion. Dharma stays the same across generations because it is the natural law itself.How many definitions of Dharma you have?
Right & wrong is more concerned with morals classified into Ethics & values.
Ethics (Reason) are about doing right thing, that is in interest of everyone without harming ant other persons interest regardless of what you are told.
Values (Varying in religions) is doing whatever you are told. No matter what is right.
Different values like anti dating, against pre marital affairs, genital mutilation or preaching religion to children.
God in the form of Abrahmic superman, heavenly entity etc is human creation. Just like a Gorilla can't fathom Quantum Mechanics, God is something that a human can't imagine or understand fully. It is too complex for human mind. Even defining God properly is impossible. All one can say about God is that it is a supernatural power that is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. Anyone who says more than this is mostly making up thingsWhat's going on here guys?
Anyway, by my 56th vote majority DFI'ns officially accepted that God is human creation only.
Except muzzies all religions(majority people) accept 'there is NO SKY DADDY',full-stop.
That's fine. You are at a stage of life where you may not need Spirituality (as defined by Sanatan Dharma). And that is perfectly accepted by Sanatan Dharma.What is spirituality & why should I go for it leaving materialistic things?
I had try to feel it hard, lie to myself several times but couldn't get anything.
I said that if one has to learn about spirituality, one has to buy books, study them, attend classes and practice the practical methods of spirituality under able guidance. In Indian Sanatan Dharmic System, book and theoretical knowledge are just one part of it. More emphasis is on practical work under the guidance of a master (much like how western scientists work.)You asked me to spend money on spiritual books, didn't you?
I have read how you have broken up paras into lines and then replied to those lines separately and I have seen how much folly you have exposed while doing so. Just an example- you said in one of your last posts that Spirituality and Indian Culture are mutually exclusive. When you said that, you exposed that either you debate for the sake of debate and to win the debate by any means or you are just a toddler when it comes to understanding of Spirituality/ Indian Culture.Did you even bother to read complete para?
What is the big deal? Any student of Indian Spirituality knows that God can be compared to water on Moon.You're comparing God with water on Moon.
Keep dreaming with your logic or read about the logic of other people too.For accepting possibility of anything, should comply with logic?
If God exists,
He must not be independent of time otherwise he can't act,
he should be conscious & alive,
He should have organized part of bodies like humans or more advanced than us which help him to perform different functions because unorganized chunk of energy can't
Most important, he should also have an environment or universe of himself where he was born naturally or somebody might have created him. He should be inferior & weak to something in his own world like we are in our own.
You have not done PurbaPaksha by studying what the Vedanta says. You have picked up bit and pieces of superstition on what YOU think Sanatan Dharma/ Hinduism is and you are just typing like a qualified typist. Your ignorance shows.What's point of respecting him & not rebelling even if he exists and at the first place how come you are able to say that you can connect to him with these rituals.
Baboons (scintific baboons with scientific species names as we know them on earth) may not be there at the core f the Sun. But will not the scientist strive to go to the core of the sun to find what is there? And when the scientist gets to the core of sun and if he finds Solar Baboons there, will not he accept those Solar Baboons as truth? As far as I know, that is what western science (some ignorant might come and say that "hey it is not western science, it is just science") is trying to do. Science (as defined by western school) is trying to explore the external world to find answers. The yogi (who is also a scientist) explores his inner nature and try to catch baboons in his own mind.Wadda hell? Baboons can never be inside sun.
You are just following yes or no on the basis of sight. It has to interpretted if monkeys could be alive there or not.
A scientist never mixes Lemon Soda & Milk to make nuclear bomb just to check if it can. They follow the inclined direction instead of wasting time.
Study biology, sun's climate inside it and interpret if evolution or migration can take place there. If it can't, no need to open sun's core for baboons. You won't find anything.
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