Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[Neptune]

agree....using let's say a BVRAAM with higher speed than current lot to cover that distance fast. Something like R 37M but with a ramjet + booster combo can do the trick. ( saving weight + more manoeuvrability + speed ) . Something like this but main missile with ramjet and booster.

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SU 30 massive size allow such experiment.
Fly high fire in a lofted trajectory. Booster will take on provide massive speed to close the distance fast.
SFDR is the way to go in my opinion.

Or India can incorporate the K-77M:

 

[Swiftfarts]

Correct... India was a user of Mig-25, as well as the 1st customer of Mig-29 (even before proper FOC) they assumed we'll get more Mig-29 for dogfighting & Mig-31 for intercepting.

I seriously love mig 31 , it's radar antenna size gives me orgasm's...just imagine a AESA that size on a... .

Third one from left is Irbis-E ( SU 35 radar ) lol.

 

[Bhumihar]

I seriously love mig 31 , it's radar antenna size gives me orgasm's...just imagine a AESA that size on a... .

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Third one from left is Irbis-E ( SU 35 radar ) lol.

Mig 31 was the result of pure Russian Autism, when they saw Sr 71 their jimmies went into a rustle so they created a Fighter that could fight off a Jet cum rocket.



Just look at that engine mate

 

[Neptune]

Mig 31 became obsolete mate, its a maintenance nightmare.

It’s not obsolete, it has been upgraded and now fires everything from R-37Ms (reportedly up to 400km range) to anti satellite weapons to ballistic missiles. The speed and altitude of the MiG-31 makes it very difficult to shoot down. For comparison the MiG-25, which is inferior in weapons, avionics, maneuverability especially at low altitude to the MiG-31 was extremely difficult to shoot down during Desert Storm and the Iran Iraq war. It regularly outran F-15s and managed F-4 kills as well as one F-18 kill.

 

[Swiftfarts]

Or India can incorporate the K-77M:

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Russia bechay ga kya ? range is less than meteor. AESA seeker looks good from specifications.

so seeker has 0.003 m^2 target detection at 2 km. This one is probably export version ( KU or Ka band frequency ).

 

[Neptune]

Mig 31 was the result of pure Russian Autism, when they saw Sr 71 their jimmies went into a rustle so they created a Fighter that could fight off a Jet cum rocket.



Just look at that engine mate

Except the MiG-25 made its first flight before the SR-71....

 

[Neptune]

Russia bechay ga kya ? range is less than meteor. AESA seeker looks good from specifications.

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so seeker has 0.003 m^2 target detection at 2 km. This one is probably export version ( KU or Ka band frequency ).

There is no official range numbers for Meteor, nor does the Meteor have any relevance to the MKI program. Besides that the K-77M far outranges the Aim-120C5.

 

[Swiftfarts]

There is no official range numbers for Meteor, nor does the Meteor have any relevance to the MKI program.

Yes there are no official range numbers but simulation calculation are in ballpark of 220 km fired from 6km altitude head on lofted trajectory unpowered intercept and 100 km around powered.

only thing lacking is an AESA seeker.

Besides that the K-77M far outranges the Aim-120C5.

Yes will be a good buy if russians sell it.

 

[vishnugupt]

MIG-31 is an engineering marble but it is not fit for India's requirement ( except reconnaissance ) because of few reasons.
1. MIG-31 is a plain interceptor as Russian has to defend vast territory and need to reach faster toward enemy as Russian bases are situated much inside the border or large gape between the air bases.

2. MIG-31 is not a dog fighter ( MiG-29 is designated dog fighter ) it's job is to reach early and scar enemy by firing long range AAM.

3. Earlier MIG-31 fly half of its flight like a passanger plane due to high fuel load. No maneuvering at all, not even sharp turn. There was a crash when fuel indicator malfunctioned and pilot turned jet.

3. MIG-31 is good in escape from enemy fire but bad in dog fights. Nonetheless, MiG-31 good in ambush attack.

4. MIG-31 is very costly in maintenance. Pilots use space suite, MiG-31 built by literally welding it's metal sheet, means no drilling or rivets.

5. Zero Air to ground capabilities

 

[Bleh]

Or India can incorporate the K-77M:

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Apparently it's so shit that instead of buying it IAF is integrating Derby & MICA to Su-30.

 

[Tridev123]

@patriots you asked some weeks ago. These ones?
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Thing is unless the BVRs are just as capable, the high-capability AESA will remain redundant.

You can see than at a range, but won't be able to do anything for hundreds of kilometers... Unless ofcourse you sneaky smaller friends with radars-off might be in range farther ahead.

Agree. That was the biggest drawback even during the last Indo-Pak air war post our Balakot operation.

The Su30mki can carry more number of BVR's than the F16 and also its radar range is almost double that of the F16 Block 52(375km vs 200km).It can theoretically fire 2 BVR's for every one BVR fired by the F16. But it was the Pak F16's that fired their BVR's first though it was a wasted attempt.

An Meteor equivalent like our proposed SFDR AAM will fill the lacunae because of its range of 350km.

But reports have been seen which state that the IAF has made amends and procured the latest long range AAM 's from Russia.

I think India should start developing a Spectra like EW suit for the Su30mki. It will confuse enemy radars and make the Su30mki seem smaller than the reality on enemy radar screens. Possibly lowering the RCS of the Su30mki.

 

[Neptune]

Apparently it's so shit that instead of buying it IAF is integrating Derby & MICA to Su-30.

It’s not even active in the RuAF so there is no way India could have bought or integrated it. The K-77M was only recently spotted in the SU-57 and SU-30.

With a range believed to be around 192km, as well as AESA (which has many benefits such as wider scanning capabilities and better jamming resistance. The missile offers performance of locking into RCS targets of 0.003 sq. m at a distance of over 2 km and 5 sq m of more than 12 km. it’s in a completely different league compared to Derby and Mica.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

Mig 31 was the result of pure Russian Autism, when they saw Sr 71 their jimmies went into a rustle so they created a Fighter that could fight off a Jet cum rocket.



Just look at that engine mate

Arre bhrata that's mig-25 back.

 

[Bleh]

It’s not even active in the RuAF so there is no way India could have bought or integrated it. The K-77M was only recently spotted in the SU-57 and SU-30.

With a range believed to be around 192km, as well as AESA (which has many benefits such as wider scanning capabilities and better jamming resistance. The missile offers performance of locking into RCS targets of 0.003 sq. m at a distance of over 2 km and 5 sq m of more than 12 km. it’s in a completely different league compared to Derby and Mica.

I meant future planning wise. If they intended to ever use K-77 then they'd not ask for integration short range Derby & vintage MICA... instead of simply buying latest R-77.

IAF knows its true capabilities more than us. They were involved with Su-57 for very long before ditching it.

 

[Neptune]

I meant future planning wise. If they intended to ever use K-77 then they'd not ask for integration short range Derby & vintage MICA... instead of simply buying latest R-77.

IAF knows its true capabilities more than us. They were involved with Su-57 for very long before ditching it.

Why would India not ask to integrate Derby or Mica? India is known to operate a very vast array of missiles, some with a lot of redundancy.

India was never actually involved in the Pak-Fa program. Only some agreements were signed, there was then reportedly disagreements between work share and testing of the aircraft, after that India opted out. The Pak-fa program and the weapons development are two separate programs, besides that the K-77M program was in its infancy when India and Russia were negotiating and India probably was not given much information about either programs.

 

[Bleh]

Why would India not ask to integrate Derby or Mica? India is known to operate a very vast array of missiles, some with a lot of redundancy.

It never did until Feb27 incident... Instead of buying R-77-1 or R-77M on offer, it's going for a vintages & a mid-range BVR.

That tell us all we need to know about this series.

 

[Neptune]

It never did until Feb27 incident... Instead of buying R-77-1 or R-77M on offer, it's going for a vintages & a mid-range BVR.

That tell us all we need to know about this series.

Okay I agree with you, K-77M is crap and now I’m totally convinced India magically got access to the classified K-77M project for some reason. Thus this really does prove how bad the missile is despite more then double the range of the R-77 and an AESA Radar and almost 4 times the range of Derby.

Now missiles with far inferior radars and shorter ranges are a lot better. Don’t ask why.

 

[Bleh]

Okay I agree with you, K-77M is crap and now I’m totally convinced India magically got access to the classified K-77M project for some reason. Thus this really does prove how bad the missile is despite more then double the range of the R-77 and an AESA Radar and almost 4 times the range of Derby.

Now missiles with far inferior radars and shorter ranges are a lot better. Don’t ask why.

Is not like that. You're overlooking my point.

Two R-77 upgrades are available for sale to India, R-77-1 or R-77M. After RVV-AE proved its worthlessness IAF still did not opt for those, despite the strong Russian lobby existing in India.
My opinion on K-77's possible (off-paper) performance was drawn from observation of that fact.

 

[Neptune]

You're overlooking my point.

Two R-77 upgrades are available for sale. They were still not opted for. Opinion on K-77's possible (off-paper) performance was drawn from that fact.

And those ‘upgrades’ offer AESA and take the range from 80-100km up to 192km?

Even if the K-77M had an old R-77 radar, which it doesn’t, it has AESA plus inertial navigation, the simple fact that it has more then double the range of the R-77 would give it a massive advantage over the R-77. If India had such a weapons against Pakistan F-16s in February then those F-16s would either go on the defensive or never even attempt an offensive at all knowing the disadvantage they would be in or simply get shot down.

 

[NAMICA]

And those ‘upgrades’ offer AESA and take the range from 80-100km up to 192km?

Even if the K-77M had an old R-77 radar, which it doesn’t, it has AESA plus inertial navigation, the simple fact that it has more then double the range of the R-77 would give it a massive advantage over the R-77. If India had such a weapons against Pakistan F-16s in February then those F-16s would either go on the defensive or never even attempt an offensive at all knowing the disadvantage they would be in or simply get shot down.

Don't understand why IAF is not buying longer AAM for MKI fleet.