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Nothing but Nayaka is accusing the new member of being a pakistani handler or a bot.

Well, that’s hard to prove but I got the sense that they were insinuating that an SU-30 was somehow missing into thin air. Clearly a Pakistani fantasy just like 90% of their fake kills.

It’s obvious HAL owns at least 1 SU-30MKI for integration of weapons and after searching there are 10 MKI crashes and not 8 or 11.


 

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What is being said in English?
He is saying you are a pakistani bot and rest words are about needling him.
Anyway, @Shashank Nayak bhai, control.
I think our friend here can't understand hindi written in English you can continue with either pure Hindi or English for his sake.
So, Google translate can come in picture.
JAI ho mao chodaang ki.
 

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Is it possible to change the Russian engines of su30mki with some western or Indian engine in future because the Russian engines have faced a lot of criticism
We should have accepted the snecma offer and revive the Kaveri engine develop different variants of Kaveri engine and use it in the aircrafts of Russian origin in our inventory
 
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Sukhoi-30s likely to test new BVRAAMs soon
India has issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) for a launch of an experimental flight vehicle in the Bay of Bengal for the period from 24 Sept – 01 Oct 2020 as per information provided by Twitter user @detresfa_. Speculations are that Two Sukhoi-30MKI will be involved in carrying out trials of newly acquired long-range BVRAAMs against Target drones.


Last month Su-30 MKI of the Indian Air Force (IAF) operating from Kalaikunda (KKD) Air Force Base, test-fired a newly integrated French MICA Infrared seeker equipped beyond visual range air to air missile for the first time and also newly acquired RVV-SD BVRAAMs from Russia. IAF plans to test again RVV-SD and R-27ET1 BVRAAMs to validate upgraded missiles systems for the first time.


idrw.org was told that 300 RVV-MD, 400 RVV-SD, and 300 mix of R-27ET1 and R-27ER1 had been ordered and some of the consignment has started arriving from Russia in special aircraft after India requested early deliveries. India is also looking to arm locally developed Astra Mk1 BVRAAM and Israeli Derby-ER BVRAAMs on its Sukhoi-30MKI fleet and LCA-Tejas MK1A fleet next.
 

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Is it possible to change the Russian engines of su30mki with some western or Indian engine in future because the Russian engines have faced a lot of criticism
We should have accepted the snecma offer and revive the Kaveri engine develop different variants of Kaveri engine and use it in the aircrafts of Russian origin in our inventory

This would be one of the worst decisions financially, logistically and practically. First off India already manufactures AL-31s, not to mention India has the facilities set up for AL-31s and technicians as well as mechanics that know how to manufacture, service and replace the engines or parts from the engine.

India already has hundreds of AL-31s in its MKI fleet and probably hundreds more for future engine replacements and or new MKIs. The cost of replacing those engines would be astronomical, not to mention all the money needed to restart the Kavari program or buy western engines and then modify hundreds of existing MKIs frames and software to fit some western engine.

The other problem is that the Karvari is extremely underpowered. The MKI would lose 20,000lbs thrust with that engine. Range, payload and maneuverability would suffer greatly.

It would make more sense to install engines from an SU-35, the 117s. They would offer 8,000lbs thrust more over the current engines and they are more maintaining friendly and have longer service lives. Two 117s would have 28,000lbs more thrust then two Kavaris.
 

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This would be one of the worst decisions financially, logistically and practically. First off India already manufactures AL-31s, not to mention India has the facilities set up for AL-31s and technicians as well as mechanics that know how to manufacture, service and replace the engines or parts from the engine.

India already has hundreds of AL-31s in its MKI fleet and probably hundreds more for future engine replacements and or new MKIs. The cost of replacing those engines would be astronomical, not to mention all the money needed to restart the Kavari program or buy western engines and then modify hundreds of existing MKIs frames and software to fit some western engine.

The other problem is that the Karvari is extremely underpowered. The MKI would lose 20,000lbs thrust with that engine. Range, payload and maneuverability would suffer greatly.

It would make more sense to install engines from an SU-35, the 117s. They would offer 8,000lbs thrust more over the current engines and they are more maintaining friendly and have longer service lives. Two 117s would have 28,000lbs more thrust then two Kavaris.
If we already have the technology of AL-31 why can’t we modify it and improve it to make more reliable engines
And 2nd thing if we had the technology of AL-31 why can’t we make an aero engine of 90KN thrust ?
I don’t believe that Russians have transferred the technology of AL-31
 

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I can't believe we have compromised mki fleet of 300 fighters . Compromised because east can't talk to West components.

Finally when will we learn we need western equipment and technology to.build a effective air power. Get in bed with Israelis now properly that means Israeli tactics attitude doctrine of how to fight out numbered and user pressure and win decisively.

Buying Russian junk with third world tactics won't cut it against either Pakistan or China
 

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I can't believe we have compromised mki fleet of 300 fighters . Compromised because east can't talk to West components.

Finally when will we learn we need western equipment and technology to.build a effective air power. Get in bed with Israelis now properly that means Israeli tactics attitude doctrine of how to fight out numbered and user pressure and win decisively.

Buying Russian junk with third world tactics won't cut it against either Pakistan or China
Do have a look.

 

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I can't believe we have compromised mki fleet of 300 fighters . Compromised because east can't talk to West components.

Finally when will we learn we need western equipment and technology to.build a effective air power. Get in bed with Israelis now properly that means Israeli tactics attitude doctrine of how to fight out numbered and user pressure and win decisively.

Buying Russian junk with third world tactics won't cut it against either Pakistan or China
Why worry, we aren't facing usa. If russian weapons are junk then chinese have also russian junks under different names. Also rafale carry data link which can talk to our awacs and fighter jets. Its not link 16 which rafale traditionally have. Its indian specific , whether its operational or not i dont know but all the hardware changes are done on all indian rafale from factory
 

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Your goodself commented without listening in it appears. Seems to know more than Air Marshal Raghu Nambiar. Kudos to you.
The question:

The reply:
Yup and where exactly he says that radar and elta jammer can work together huhh.? He was replying to drdo buily tarang rwr problem which was problem in the start which have been taken care of. There is a reason why now a days you see russian jammer on su30
 

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Yup and where exactly he says that radar and elta jammer can work together huhh.? He was replying to drdo buily tarang rwr problem which was problem in the start which have been taken care of. There is a reason why now a days you see russian jammer on su30
Trimble is hallucinating..... 😂😂😂
You didn't get that huhh.
Having russian jammers on MK1s doesn't mean the other one dosen't work. That's your perception.
 

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I can't believe we have compromised mki fleet of 300 fighters . Compromised because east can't talk to West components.

Finally when will we learn we need western equipment and technology to.build a effective air power. Get in bed with Israelis now properly that means Israeli tactics attitude doctrine of how to fight out numbered and user pressure and win decisively.

Buying Russian junk with third world tactics won't cut it against either Pakistan or China


I believe communications equipment on the SU-30 is built by India and not Russia. India also uses some Israel communication systems. Much of the equipment on the MKI is already Western and Indian. Also what makes you think Western equipment is invisible? Hundreds of western aircraft have been shot down by Russian “Junk”. A few years back an Israeli F-16 was shot down. Over Yemen everything from Tornados, Apaches and Predator drones to Typhoons have been shot down. During Desert Storm 75 coalition aircraft were lost.

As for Indian tactics. They don’t use Russian tactics, the Indians have their own tactics which are reportedly very good. It’s not good underestimate your enemy but I would not overhype Pakistan or China. Pakistani F-16s were outmaneuvered by MiG-23s over Afghanistan. The MiG-23s were ordered not to shoot. In another incident a Pakistani F-16 was reportedly shot down by Soviet aircraft, later Pakistan claimed it was by friendly fire from another F-16. Pakistan did not challenge India during the Balokot stikes because Pakistan understood it would lose. Pakistan only challenged India when they caught India off guard and outnumbered. Pakistan’s are not as stupid as some people make them out to be, the PAF know that on equal footing they will lose to India thus the PAF doctrine is to use numerical superiority and surprise.

As for Pakistan, their F-16s and AIM-120s are deadly and the JF-17 is probably decent; however, Pakistani Pilots likely get very few flight hours due to limited budget thus they are not going to do favorably when an actual air war breaks out and India throws MKIs and Rafales at Pakistan. The other problem with Pakistani budget and less then professional structure is that Pakistan probably has a hard time maintaining operational readiness of F-16s and other aircraft.

On the 27th Pakistan threw 8 F-16s to challenge 2 MKIs. yet up north despite having F-16 squadrons they used ancient Mirage 5s and some JF-17s that could not do anything. In my assessment, Pakistan probably did this because they had very few operational F-16s that they were saving on standby Incase India escalated. In short the PAF, is an air force made up of mostly obsolete Mirages, a mix of outdated F-16s and some block52 F-16s, J-7s and cheap JF-17s. Most of the aircraft are not even airworthy.
 

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