Sukhoi Su 30MKI

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[Neil]

The air-launched version would be much lighter so as to enable MKI to fit in pylon, so the weight compromise must have been made in fuel too. Further, Brahmos itself having Russian technology cannot exceed the 300 km limit of Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (if I m not wrong).

agreed but the range hasnt been exceeded due to engine/proplusion system but due to a missile being launched from a flying platform... so it doesnt not violate any treaty what so ever.

 

[ersakthivel]

Broadsword: Brahmos with Sukhoi-30 fighters to improve India's strike options

 

[Austinjimson]

Hey guys we should better buy or try to make AAMs similar to this new k-77m missile from Russia in near future coz Russians have plans to sell this missile to chinese which is not good for iaf. K-77m is air to air missile.its uses advanced AESA radar to track hostile aircraft. It can even defeat even the most manuverable aircrafts till now.

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[ladder]

agreed but the range hasnt been exceeded due to engine/proplusion system but due to a missile being launched from a flying platform... so it doesnt not violate any treaty what so ever.

Doesn't matter, under MTCR stand-off distance cannot be more than 300 km.

The purpose of these Guidelines is to limit the risks of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (i.e. nuclear, chemical and biological weapons), by controlling transfers that could make a contribution to delivery systems (other than manned aircraft) for such weapons.

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7) What are the main objectives of the MTCR?

The MTCR seeks to limit the risks of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) by controlling exports of goods and technologies that could make a contribution to delivery systems (other than manned aircraft) for such weapons. In this context, the Regime places particular focus on rockets and unmanned aerial vehicles capable of delivering a payload of at least 500 kg to a range of at least 300 km and on equipment, software, and technology for such systems.

http://www.mtcr.info/english/FAQ-E.html


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Therefore till the missile is attached to the pylon of the aircraft, it has no obligation. But, after separation, it's maximum 300 km no matter whether it's on own propulsion or it simply glides powerless.

 

[Compersion]

Doesn't matter, under MTCR stand-off distance cannot be more than 300 km.



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Missile Technology Control Regime


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Therefore till the missile is attached to the pylon of the aircraft, it has no obligation. But, after separation, it's maximum 300 km no matter whether it's on own propulsion or it simply glides powerless.

In October 2012 the United States and South Korea announced that the US would assist South Korea in fielding 800 km range missiles, and long range UAVs with payloads up to 2,500 kg;[8][9] though this may technically be MTCR compliant if indigenously built.

Also not sure with respect to Pakistan and PRC if this is mindful and in war time and future use goi extends the range in due course ...

In 2004 China applied to join the MTCR, but members did not offer China membership because of concerns about China's export control standards.[

Missile Technology Control Regime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ladder]

Also not sure with respect to Pakistan and PRC if this is mindful and in war time and future use goi extends the range in due course ...



Missile Technology Control Regime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As it is a open secret that Brahmos real range is in the range of 500 km. A particularly tricky question about increasing the range to beyond 300 km was asked to DR. Pillai head of Brahmos corp.
He replied back, ( not a exact quote) ' we will not do anything to shame Russia'

So, it solely depends upon what Russia wants, as MTCR by itself is voluntary and no penalty is attached with the breach.

The link in my above post contains details.

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There are many loopholes which helps to circumnavigate the MTCR.

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No nation can sleep sound because of the security provided by MTCR. The last being India.

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But, an interesting trivia is that, like NPT the MTCR was allegedly formulated to stop USSR to transfer missile tech. to India. But, all the while turning a blind eye to China's transfer of 2000 km missile to Saudi, which had taken place earlier.

 

[Neil]

Where Sukhois get their wings and talons


In the melting mid-afternoon skies of Nasik an iron bird thunders over the 50-year-old MiG Complex of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Below, in the large hangars scattered across the tree-dense campus, different stages of another beaky Sukhoi 30 fighter plane are being pieced together part-by its 43,007-parts.

Trudge to another hangar a few snaky lanes away and another Su-30 sits on a rig, innards unravelled, wings taken apart and the neural wires keeping their codes intact. The Su-30's cycle of birth, life and re-birth happen in this one place. The Russian origin Sukhoi-30 — prefixed with the Indian mark of MKI — is called the backbone of the country's air defence. Building, reconstructing and designing its different elements are all in a day's work for the three main teams of the 5000-strong complex.

The 3,500-acre MiG Complex breathes 'Su-30', yet keeps the old fighter's name. It assembles the fighter plane under a 2000 licence from Russia, senior officials at the complex told The Hindu during an invited visit to the Su-30 manufacturing facilities. The first lot of 50 Su-30s was bought. Of the 222 Su-30s to be built by HAL Nasik, 149 have flown out to Indian Air Force bases since 2004. The last delivery to the IAF is to be completed in 2018-19, said G.S.R. Prasad, senior executive of the aircraft manufacturing unit. For the remaining 72 planes, the production team is focussed on delivering 14-16 aircraft a year through four years.

In its 20-odd flying years Su-30 passes through the three arms of the complex — Manufacture, Repair & Overhaul, and Aircraft Upgrade Research & Design Centre.

It takes two to three months to assemble a Su-30. At one large 'shop', as we move past large grey titanium blocks and arcs from Russia laid on the large tables, we hear tales of how the precious, foot-thick chunks are tamed into a shapely wing or a fuselage ring a few millimetres thick. Then they are welded, wired, fastened, engined and eventually made into a whole mean war machine.

The Nasik facility also houses the certifying Regional Centre for Military Airworthiness. Once ready, the Su-30 is test flown nearby at the Air Force's air field at Ozhar. On that day, five Su-30s waited on the tarmac for their turn.

Two planes sat bared on rigs at Repari & Overhaul. Now is the time to recharge the middle-aged first batch as they near 1,500 flight hours. It takes 15-24 months to pluck out and micro-inspect each part, return or replace it, and may be fit a new engine from the Koraput facility, said Prakash Joshi of Overhaul.

Over the years, the Indian content of Su-30 has been increasing to 60-70 per cent by sourcing of parts from industries in Nasik, Bangalore, Pune, Mumbai and Coimbatore. The AURDC keeps the plane's eyes and ears — avionics — sharp with timely improvements, said R.P. Khapli from Design. The complex supports the 450-plus Russian-origin fighter and transport fleet. It is fitting the Su-30 with the BrahMos cruise missile for first testing in December.


Where Sukhois get their wings and talons - The Hindu

 

[cobra commando]

India May Expand Su-30MKI Order Beyond 272


India May Expand Su-30MKI Order Beyond 272

 

[Soumya1989]

DRDO STATEMENT: India's first indigenously developed Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Air-to-Air missile "ASTRA was successfully test fired by the Indian Air Force on May 04, 2014 from a Naval range in the western sector meeting all the mission objectives. The air-launch was captured by side and forward looking high speed cameras and the separation was exactly as per the simulation. ASTRA is India's first BVR Air-to-Air Missile indigenously designed and developed by DRDO, possessing high Single Shot Kill Probability (SSKP) making it highly reliable. Astra is an all aspect, all weather missile with active Radar terminal guidance, excellent ECCM features, smokeless propulsion and process improved effectiveness in multi-target scenario making it a highly advanced, state-of the-art missile.

The Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri, Secretary Deptt of Defence R&D and DG, DRDO, Shri Avinash Chander congratulating the team for their high competence and tenacity to make such an event happen seamlessly said "Astra's successful launch from the Su30 combat aircraft is a major step in missile aircraft integration. Extensive flight testing that has preceded today's air launch was indeed a joint effort of DRDO and IAF. This will be followed by launch against actual target shortly. Many more trials are planned and will be conducted to clear the launch envelope. Weapon integration with 'Tejas' Light Combat Aircraft will also be done in the near future."

Dr. V.G. Sekaran, Director General (MSS) who chaired the Flight Readiness Review Committee along with Shri. S Som, Director, DRDL, Shri. P Venugopalan, former Director, DRDL among others, said "This is one of the proud moments for DRDO and the entire country." Dr. K Tamilmani, Director General (Aeronautics) who has overlooked the entire flight safety in the program said that quality of integration and performance is of high standards and there was no doubt in the success of the launch. He further added that this is the beginning of the phase for demonstration of launch over a wide air-launch envelope. The Project Director Dr. S. Venugopal said that "the Air Launch of ASTRA was perfect in all respect and is a culmination of years of effort by a very dedicated and competent team of the Missile Complex, Hyderabad, CEMILAC and Indian Air Force. HAL carried out the modification in Su-30 along with IAF specialists, and many Indian industries have an important and enabling role in the production of reliable avionics, propulsion system, materials, airframe and software passing stringent airworthiness requirements for the missile." The missiles have undergone rigorous testing on Su30 in the captive mode for avionics integration and Seeker evaluation in 2013. The project has thus reached the final stage of testing and evaluation, and the Mk-II variant with higher range capability is also planned to be tested by the end of 2014.

Livefist: India's ASTRA BVRAAM Testfired From IAF Flanker

 

[charlie]

As it is a open secret that Brahmos real range is in the range of 500 km. A particularly tricky question about increasing the range to beyond 300 km was asked to DR. Pillai head of Brahmos corp.
He replied back, ( not a exact quote) ' we will not do anything to shame Russia'

So, it solely depends upon what Russia wants, as MTCR by itself is voluntary and no penalty is attached with the breach.

The link in my above post contains details.

===============================

There are many loopholes which helps to circumnavigate the MTCR.

==============================

No nation can sleep sound because of the security provided by MTCR. The last being India.

====================

But, an interesting trivia is that, like NPT the MTCR was allegedly formulated to stop USSR to transfer missile tech. to India. But, all the while turning a blind eye to China's transfer of 2000 km missile to Saudi, which had taken place earlier.

China transferred missile before MTCR was formed.

 

[ladder]

China transferred missile before MTCR was formed.

I never said the transfer ( not physical) took place after MTCR was formed or otherwise.

But, an interesting trivia is that, like NPT the MTCR was allegedly formulated to stop USSR to transfer missile tech. to India. But, all the while turning a blind eye to China's transfer of 2000 km missile to Saudi, which had taken place earlier.

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Also, even today China is formally not a member of MTCR.


For my detail answer see the link.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...siles-defiance-us-iran-accord.html#post892902

 

[Soumya1989]

Awesome shot of India's BVRAAM ASTRA test-fired from an IAF Su-30 MKI off the Goa coast.

Photo Credit: Shiv Aroor/livefist

 

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[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Defence News - Rafale, Su-30MKI Face-off in Indian Exercise

 

[makmohan]

Defence News - Rafale, Su-30MKI Face-off in Indian Exercise

Despite the Cope victory, the IAF's Su-30MKIs didn't fare so well against the Royal Air Force's Typhoon fighters at the International Air Tattoo military air show in 2011. "Nothing that India has got is anything anywhere near this (the Typhoon). I would say that absolutely. This airplane is phenomenally different in both performance and technology in anything they (IAF) got right now," an RAF official was quoted as saying then.


It would be interesting to see how Su-30MKI performs against Rafale..

 

[Kaalapani]

Despite the Cope victory, the IAF's Su-30MKIs didn't fare so well against the Royal Air Force's Typhoon fighters at the International Air Tattoo military air show in 2011. "Nothing that India has got is anything anywhere near this (the Typhoon). I would say that absolutely. This airplane is phenomenally different in both performance and technology in anything they (IAF) got right now," an RAF official was quoted as saying then.


It would be interesting to see how Su-30MKI performs against Rafale..

Brits are known for their marketing skills and they got all the press.Ignore kar.

T

 

[FulcrumD]

Brits are known for their marketing skills and they got all the press.Ignore kar.

T[/QUOTE

Exactly,this is just bullcrap! the CO of the same Typhoon wing actually said the repoters that the RAF Typhoon jockeys came out with a silly smile after mock combat with the Flanker.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

The Indian pilots did not use N011M
Bars radar to keep the frequencies
classified as the radar has limited
AWACS usage also, while Eurofighter
did use all electronics at their disposal.
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later su30mki will be modernized into super 30, and super 30 will be much better than eft
.
just a decade to go and india will have fgfa and amca ( may be lca mk3 too) ,and to all this aircrafts eft is just a simple kill .
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though it was nothing but marketing for selling their aircraft in mmrca
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this exercise was in cold condition of england and if this was to be in india where addition is extremely got, su30 mki would have easily surpassed eft
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@kaalapaani , @FulcrumD

 

[Sea Eagle]

HAL seeks clarity on futuristic projects; hopes Rolls Royce, Sukhoi issues get resolved

At the operational level, Tyagi hoped that the new government takes a clear stand and issues a policy directive on resolving the Rolls Royce crisis and Su-30 MKI (cost escalation) issues.
"The new government would have to be pragmatic in its approach as delay in solving the Rolls Royce issue would impact serviceability of our six frontline fleets. As far as the Sukhoi cost escalation is concerned, the supplies are on hold from the Russian side. The issue is awaiting the Cabinet Committee on Security clearance since September,"said Tyagi

On the reasons behind HAL's aggressive stand in pushing its pet HTT-40 project, despite Indian Air Force (IAF) showing little interest, Tyagi refused to be drawn into any controversy.
"IAF and HAL share a common belief that our country must own technologies that we need. Efficiency of home grown products have been proven beyond doubt by our Dhruv during the flash flood in Uttarkhand. We do not believe in confrontations with our customer," said Tyagi.

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: HAL seeks clarity on futuristic projects; hopes Rolls Royce, Sukhoi issues get resolved